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The_Gootch
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posted October 20, 2006 06:10 PM |
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Yeah well. I wasn't as creative back then.
Thanks Pan, for helping Consis reread my statement. How can I fight with anyone who doesn't bother to read something in its entirety before they get all huffy and puffy and write silly things here in the VW?
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russ
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posted October 20, 2006 06:21 PM |
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Edited by russ at 18:22, 20 Oct 2006.
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Oh wait. You do know something about american bombs. I hope your people learned to lay off of Kosovo.
Gootch, now you are the one who doesn't know wtf he's talking about.
Imagine the following situation: say, USA wasn't as strong militarily. Say, some other country like amm... Serbia? had a military superiority over USA. Say, Serbia was in a cold war with Canada for 50+ years and it doesn't like USA because USA is a friend of Canada, but unlike Canada, Serbia can actually pick on USA.
Well, Serbia finds out that: hey! Some southern states of USA now have more Mexicans than "white" Americans and neither of those really like each other!!! So, why not start secretly supplying guns to Mexicans? Excellent idea!!! A few years later a nice neat Mexican "army of liberation" is formed in the southern states.
Please don't tell me **** like "Oh! Wait! We, Americans are a friendly nation, we'll just let those states go! After all - there are more Mexicans over there! It doesn't matter that they've moved there only a few decades earlier and that most of them did it illegally. We don't care! They can go ahead, split apart from USA and join Mexico!!!"
Well, as soon as you start taking action, Serbia starts bombing the **** out of your country, ****s up your economy, kills your people, then ends up occupying the disputed states where from now on the Mexican majority can officially **** whatever "white" Americans are still left there up the ***.
I know - it is a very bad analogy because Kosovo was Serbian for almost 1000 years. Southern States of USA have been occupied by the USA from Mexico only 100-smth years ago. So, Mexicans have waaaay more rights to reclaim their own land than Albanians have to claim something that was NEVER theirs.
But I know - you don't give a **** about what I say. You and most of the other Americans will just label me as "anti-American" and keep eating pop corn in front of your TVs showing your army bombing the **** out of some other country that happened to be in your way.
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bjorn190
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posted October 20, 2006 06:41 PM |
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politics is always about power, not about whats right or wrong.
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Consis
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posted October 20, 2006 07:19 PM |
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Edited by Consis at 19:20, 20 Oct 2006.
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I Do . . .
I remember very well. I simply don't like it. I didn't like it then either. But the thing that bothered me the most was how it surrounded me everywhere I went. And at no time could I even talk about it.
I recall one example very clearly. When I went to my freefall (H.A.L.O.) school at Fort Bragg (it was actually Pope AFB but that's a joke in and of itself) back before they moved to Yuma Arizona . . . We'd all be sitting in class when the instructors would come forward and start administering their version of the truth about inter-service training. If Airforce guys have any complaints then simply keep it to yourself. The class was of course run by the Army (which we Airforce guys called "the big green machine" because they got most of the funding from the Joint Chiefs of Staff back at the Pentagon who had the ear of Congress with the push of a button). Army instructors would share their wisdom on how the Marines better be given the respect they deserve, regardless of the ranger core motto, "First There". My job's core motto was, "That Others May Live". But it didn't much matter. I didn't understand it at the time . . . and being the young freely democratic American lad that I was, I took note of my disagreement and kept it to myself. Then after all my schooling I would return to my duty station at an Airforce base where the higher-ups in every squadron that I attended would commonly tell jokes about how "jarheads" had little brains, or how easily an army person would gain rank. The jokes were of an everyday sort . . . several times a day. And all of the jokes were compounded by a constant message from our Airforce instructors of how special we were and different from everbody else. Many of my buddies let it go to their heads. Some actually thought they were better or more important or some such nonsense.
The jokes were ceaseless and the attitudes were downright arrogant. I never once heard any of my budddies or instructors actually try and defend other service members' jobs. Once I exited the military and began to learn the truth for myself, I realized that the notion of being better than someone else is not limited to the military organization. I learned (through reading history) racism is a very broad term. There are many different levels of racist-type philosophies. I learned that not all jews who were killed in WWII were genetically jewish but rather simply subscribed to the set of beliefs. I learned it is an inherent human natural flaw to think you are somehow of greater worth or value than someone else. I have learned that in any walk of life . . . people often grow to become some sort of self-motivated righteous individual either by providence or fortune or who knows what. The case seems to be that it occurs across the spectrum of human existence. I know this now because I have been reading my history. How many times has a person decided that he or she is simply better and more deserving of life than someone else? The answer is countless times . . . far too many to ever count.
But there was also something else that I learned to be very important. Our Marines are the ones that take most casualties when the strategy is deemed necessary. That is something I had not known for my entire time in the service. If and when wave upon wave of disciplined American soldiers are needed as part of a best-option-strategy toward victory then it will be our Marines who will answer the first call. The first question any human being in their right mind would ask: "Why would anyone who values their own life simply charge into battle only to die? Oh well it must be because they're being forced to do it. Or maybe it's because they're religious zealots. Or perhaps they simply want to plunder and pillage as all warmongers do." I believe the answer is that there's nothing simple about it! Here are some of our finest and most honourable individuals (plain and simple persons) who've executed their God-given right to serve their country in this fashion. Their are indeed many ways to serve honorably. And I'm not about to hold their service higher than any other soldier! Not everyone is cut out to be a Marine . . . and rightly so. Not everyone is cut out to be an airforce pilot. The truth is we need many different specialized skilled individuals to make up a fully capable and dignified military branch of our society.
A Marine is most likely to face death on a massive scale in any large conflict. And notice that I don't simply group all Marines together in some large foggy military meatshield who simply act as a speedbump while our technology is used in a chess game. No! Every man AND woman who serves in this capacity does so as a core-valued member of the finest values our society has to offer the world. They are not a representative of any group of people but rather a representative of individuals that choose to work in a group of people. Thus acting as a catalyst for the peoples' will. "See here . . . if Mark and Jennifer can keep it together then why shouldn't we all? They aren't rocket scientists or prophets. Their simply marines. There are some people who simply walk with dignity and trust. Work must sometimes be of a personal nature in order to complete grand tasks. Let's not waste time on the way things ought to be. Let's do the right thing now. Let us protect a society of truly honorable intentions under the guidelines of our highest national document. Let us remember those who have fallen before us and why they did it. Let us help to make the world a better place for us all."
I am sick and tired of hearing people on commitees and groups who say things like "Well . . . we need to consider that our soldiers have willingly given up many of their personal rights to be a soldier." I believe these people are flat wrong in their assumptions. A soldier does not forego his or her rights by being a Marine or pilot or sailor or otherwise. Nor is he or she "willing to make the ultimate sacrifice" for their beliefs. The ultimate sacrifice? Who the hell talks like that?! Who the hell came up with that sort of nonsense? That's the sort of detached way of thinking that we often hear from a fat politician whose focus is to simply get more votes to keep his/her disgustingly indulgent way of living. No . . With regard to a Marine: This is an individual who is not out to die for a cause . . . No indeed! . . . Here is a person who has chosen to truly live. Here is a person who has chosen defend our Constituion AND THEN LIVE TO TELL ABOUT IT. These people aren't some sick and twisted martyr cult for American democracy. This is where a Marine steps in, looks around, asks who's in charge, goes to work without a single complaint, and says it is good. He or she takes an oath and remembers his or her home. They think of the cookies and milk their mothers made, the fishing trips with their dads, the baseball games, the sunday church services, the brave police officers and courageous firefighters who helped when they were needed, the school teachers who taught them that education is the key to a brighter future . . . and so on. Here you have a young man or young woman who simply stands there (not uttering a word) . . . standing there quietly with a calm look about them . . . no weapons, no long hair, no beards, no prejudgments, no hatred, no love for anarchists and bullies, and no problem in being asked to take orders and perform tasks of great risk! Here is an individual with love in their heart and an ugly dull uniform with a dignified set of unbreakable sharp edges and creases. Here is an individual who knows well the sacrifices of the soldiers that came before them. Here is one American, on whom you can trust to never forget the people they serve or the home they came from. This is without question . . . not a God, not a mean-spirited tyrant, not a punk, not some religious fanatic looking to die . . . but only a mere person . . . nothing more than a human being -- maybe a man, maybe a woman . . . certainly a friend to every American . . . and certainly a friend to this American.
Their work is an affirmation of American life even when no war exists. Yes that's right, a 'standing army'. These are people who've chosen to uphold the society and values of every average American under the law. Our laws were created by and for the people . . . people who've denounced monarchism, dictatorships, warlord theology, crusaders, jihadists, communists, human slavery, cultists, and every other historic society who can't seem to shake the grasp of absolute power. Our laws have come to define us as a people and culture in a way the world has never seen before. When we had our revolution Washington could've become king, guerilla wars could've been born, warlords could've have risen, and average people could've been thrown under the "national razor". Hell we could've even become your average everyday dictatorship. (that's when people don't like to call themselves a monarchy).
. . . and that's only how I feel about the Marines . . .
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bjorn190
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posted October 20, 2006 07:26 PM |
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Wow thats alot of text
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Aculias
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posted October 21, 2006 03:34 AM |
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Edited by Aculias at 03:47, 21 Oct 2006.
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Now we can move this to the Other sid of the Monitor.
This is just another of many poltical threads.
Of course Americans can be unfriendly.
Most are & I cant blame it still if anyone wants to bomb out American arses  .
How many wars have we declared in the last 200 yrs.
Like 7 or 8 
"But I know - you don't give a **** about what I say."
How did you guess
Just remember a good % of people living in Canada right now are Americans since the 1970's
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william
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posted October 21, 2006 04:50 AM |
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Wow thats alot of text
I agree, looool
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pandora
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posted October 21, 2006 05:26 AM |
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How can I fight with anyone who doesn't bother to read something in its entirety before they get all huffy and puffy and write silly things here in the VW?
Well you're The_Gootch, I've always had faith that whatever the situation you would always be able to find a way to make a fight out of it. *raises an eyebrow* You're not...like...mellowing out now, are you?
P.S. You're welcome 
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posted October 21, 2006 06:35 AM |
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Aculias
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posted October 21, 2006 07:08 AM |
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Well you do got a point there.
This si the VW not the OSOM.
Consis, you cant handle women.
You are a woman.
You walk like a woman, talk like a woma, you even paint your nails like a woman.
You fight like a woman, you wear dresses like a woman & you limp like a woman.
Only thang is is you dont look like a woman
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Consis
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posted October 21, 2006 03:06 PM |
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Edited by Consis at 15:07, 21 Oct 2006.
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Well . . .
This IS the Wastelands and I DID say spam was welcome in this thread . . .
And you know what else? . . . Of all the posts and phrases that some deviants end up saving on their computer for future arguments . . . isn't it interesting how those, like the long post I made in this thread, don't end up getting saved?
Yeah that's right . . . we'll have to wait until I run for president in 2056 when the republicans have some internet geek with no life come on here and painstakingly go back through every post I've ever made to find something they can use against me. And they'll do it too! Mark my worms!
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pandora
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posted October 21, 2006 04:23 PM |
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I don't feel it's right to mark worms.
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bjorn190
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posted October 21, 2006 06:11 PM |
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Consis you think u own all the worms. Well you dont! You just dont! 
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posted October 21, 2006 06:23 PM |
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My money's on Gucci.
No real reason other than he has a real way with words.
btw I just won a poker match where I won every hand that I didn't fold on. every damn one lol it was so good.
i had a five and a three in hand and they were both dealt in the flop, then on the river a three came out (so i had a full house) and I saw "wait, that was supposed to be burnt" and IMMEDIATELY regreeted it lol but then the REAL card was a 5.... hahah 
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william
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posted October 22, 2006 01:53 AM |
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I don't feel it's right to mark worms.
Thats one of the funnier things I have eread lol 
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the_gootch
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posted October 22, 2006 06:56 AM |
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Well, you asked for it.
I took the time to read your wind bag of reply and already I regret it. You could've condensed the freaking statement into a simple sentence; that is, "I love my military bretheren and I hope they forgive me for going Air Force."
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Consis
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posted October 22, 2006 08:01 AM |
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Edited by Consis at 08:06, 22 Oct 2006.
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Well Possibly, But . . .
After having gone back and read the contents of those awarded the Navy Cross, what they did at Iwo Jima, northern French shores on D-Day, the Korean "conflict", Vietnam, Desert Storm, and the ongoing performances in present-day Iraq . . . I'm not sure I've adequately expressed my grattitude for their service to this country. I'm not even sure if an entire library of books would do it.
I'm not saying they should be thought of as better than the rest of us or that because of their commitment they are exempt in some fashion to the laws of our land. I'm just saying that if I ever met a Marine walking down the street, I wouldn't have to think twice about shaking that individual's hand. And I wouldn't think twice about giving him or her a bed for the night should I ever see a fella roadside with a sign begging for money. There are some people in this world who truly deserve my respect . . . especially if they earned it by serving as a United States Marine.
And another thing (while I'm thinking about it) I'm sick and tired of that darned commercial that keeps popping up on t.v. ads over and over. It's the one that shows the picture of a rough diamond being cut to shine at the core of an individual . . . the old "diamond in the rough" addage. It couldn't be more wrong of a commercial in my opinion. A Marine does NOT shine! There's NOTHING SHINY ABOUT A MARINE. In fact they're dang ugly, the uniforms are a stained doormat, and their pants just don't match. I think it goes a long way to saying that a Marine ain't about nothin that's pretty! These are the folks who do the dirty work when the call is made by President. The thing that makes a Marine look good is how well that individual holds it together under some of the most grueling and inhospitable circumstances . . . and when I say holding it together, I mean that they could be covered in filth, bleeding, in excruciating pain, and all after having lost their closest buddies. But I'm talking about their composure so much as I am their inner spirit. That's the spirit that reminds them why they're out there doing the job. That's when they think of home, God, and their country . . . and rely on it for the strength to carry on . . . when most people would naturally and reasonably say they've had enough. If anything at all is 'shiny' about a Marine . . . it's the razor sharp edges on the sleeves, pockets, and lapels of their dull drab potatoe sack they call a uniform. It says something about them. It says they've taken an oath to serve and protect so that this nation shall not perish from this Earth. . . and there ain't nothin funny, or pretty, or shiny about it.
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posted October 22, 2006 08:11 AM |
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especially if they earned it by serving as a United States Marine.
you mean people who serve in miletery NOT in usa are not worthy of your respect..? how can you judge people by..oh right,now i remmberd,in USA the miletery isent mendetory.in israel,you have to gotomiletery once you reached 12 grade and is at the age of 18 of after.I'm getting Zav1 in couple of a mounths only,due to my birthdate,it means i need to go do medical test that decise my medical profile that decides where i can go in the army.97 is the highest ,21 is mentally unstable
(my frinde got 48 for beating an officer..)
anyway,i find this argument silly,you cant change each other opinions its THE INTERNET.
thenks.
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posted October 22, 2006 08:12 AM |
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@ Consis - after reading his last post:
Cool. How do you feel about teachers?
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william
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posted October 22, 2006 08:14 AM |
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Teachers are really fun to argue with, and some teachers simply cannot win an argument.
I have outsmarted teachers before, shows the lack of intelligence of hiring this idiots.
No offense to you Kooka
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