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LordTitan
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posted October 04, 2001 02:15 AM |
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Inferno unites And Necros should they mix?
I've been wondering if inferno unites should be in the same town as the undead(I hate Undead there dumb).
Because well... the undead are undead and inferno, there more of the pure evil kind. And undead can be raised by some-one that is of the good side or nutrull. As long as they know how to Necromancy. I think that it is very important to change the inferno back to its own town otherwise I will not play as a necromancer (not that I played much as them befor).
Another thing: why do undead cost so much? that is so anoying! I like geting them because they do killer damage when there in numbers, but I hate how much they cost!!!
And why are they so slow and have such low hit points? Because there a sack of bones? Because thets the way there made? Because thets the 3DO made them? I don't think so! I want better ansers than that!!! I want to know your oppion on this and if you have something to say please post it because I've had poeple blaming me for not talking to them, and I say Uhhh... what were you talking about anyway? than they get all angry so if you have something to say IM me or post it!!!!
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RMS
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posted October 04, 2001 02:21 AM |
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...hmm, could you clarify this a bit? ...and why would a hero of good of perhaps even neutral allignment even want to think about raising the dead?
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LordTitan
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posted October 04, 2001 02:29 AM |
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I'm saing that inferno and necros are complitly diferent so they sould not be in the same town.
And if you had necromancy you could turn a dead guy into a mummy or a skeliton too.
P.S. You know that high moral thing? Why is there a gold pheonix pooing onn there heads?
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Gerdash
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posted October 04, 2001 08:33 AM |
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imho no race is bad or evil by itself, they just have a bit different lifestyles. and i think that mixing inferno and necro is a very bad idea, at least from the modern point of view.
but i have changed my mind about it a bit, maybe the one-sided christian interpretation is ok from the medieval point of view. but nevertheless, you should be able to build the town as either necro or inferno, i.e. the building choices should always be either necro or inferno. the level 1 creatures would be an exception as you can build both of them, maybe i would rather have them both as inferno while you get skeletons from necromancy only. also, i would like to be able to recruit inferno heroes for the necro army that don't have necromancy, because the necromancy is annoying when you don't want to use the slow skeletons.
also, i think that the 1 level 1 unit should be able to almost kill 1 ghost in one hit, to prevent overpowering, and i think the ghost should be a level 2 creature.
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Oldtimer
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posted October 04, 2001 08:45 AM |
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Someone has to keep those dead people in line. That job falls to the Imps, Why would all those dead souls attack if they didn't have hoards of imps with pitchforks egging them on? Anyways all necromancers are going to hell anyways so at least now they can get on a first name basis with their hosts.
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Dajek
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Psychedelic Knight
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posted October 04, 2001 02:46 PM |
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I think that you can choose if you recuit ONLY inferno or ONLY necro troops...
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Shadow_Phoenix
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Shadow Ruler
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posted October 04, 2001 03:13 PM |
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Well with the tree building style you can choose betwen undead and demons but even that way I don't think that they should be mixed. I like undead more then demons so I would like to keep seeing a full undead town not a half undead half demons.
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Preserver
Promising
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Elemental Druid
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posted October 04, 2001 08:04 PM |
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Agree with Oldtimer....
...and I'm not going to play Necropolis a lot, just kick their ***  ...
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Darkspirit
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posted October 04, 2001 09:35 PM |
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And how are we supposed to revive those devils with death-magic? Those creatures are not undead!
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LordTitan
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posted October 05, 2001 02:24 AM |
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I know... it dosan't make any sence.
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niteshade
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posted October 05, 2001 03:21 AM |
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"but i have changed my mind about it a bit, maybe the one-sided christian interpretation is ok from the medieval point of view. "
Ok now that just makes absolutely no sense. Last time I checked there was nothing in the christian religion about devils and undead being in the same town. I read your original post on this, and I thought it was incredibly silly as well, as if the mixing of two fantasy races somehow supports a certain religion. You are really reading waaaaay too much into things that are not there.
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NKW
Hired Hero
Tatalian Guard of Honor
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posted October 05, 2001 03:18 PM |
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IMHO, there's no problem putting both undead creatures and creatures from hell in one town. Necropolis means city of the dead, this name could be interpreted as the city of the undead or as the city where the dead people go to = HELL.
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niteshade
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posted October 05, 2001 09:54 PM |
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"however unfair it would be towards the ppl who like e.g. satanism and see the perfection and beauty in devils rather than angels"
So basicaly your complaining that the inferno town discriminates against satanists. That is somehow implies that demons and devils are evil instead of the happy and lovable creatures we all know that they are.
The really odd thing is that you seem to think that it's only christians who have a negative view of satanism. The entire world shares that negative view. Even people who study religion don't consider it to be a real religion, just a bunch of posers who like to call them selves satanists because they think it makes them sound cool and edgey, but who really have no idea what their religion is about.
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niteshade
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posted October 07, 2001 01:51 AM |
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Gerdash,
I actually went to the link you sent me and read their description of satanism and of the church of satanism. And they seemed to pretty much support my viewpoint. I think you may want to read through it again. I must admit it was interesting. Anyway to summarize......
First off they said that most people who call themselves satanists are in fact not. That there are a million definitions of what a satanist is, and most of them are in error. The term satan is a christian term (well other religions refer to it too), and cannot be seperated from the christian religion. So anyone who worships something with no relation to the christian (or other religion) view of satan is in error calling themselves a satanist.
Secondly they said that the Church of Satan really does not believe in traditional demons and devils, and are actualy more of a pagan religion then actual real satanists. So your comments about beleiving demons and devils to be the true form of beauty would be irrelevent to them since they don't actualy believe in them. What they believe in is a natural force that existed since the beginning of time. They probably should not even call themselves satanists, since as mentioned above the term satan is a christian term and the god they worship has no place in the christian religion. As a result they really have more in common with other pagan religions then with satanists. It's similar to the way Wiccans call themselves witches despite the fact that their religion is more based on druidic and other faiths and probably never once used the term witch to describe themselves until recently.
So in conclusion, the way the nercropolis is depicted would be of no concern to those who call themselves satanists, because they do not believe in demons, devils, and the traditional view of hell. And I definetely believe you are not a satanist because you seem to know very little about the religion you are trying to defend.
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LordTitan
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posted October 07, 2001 02:22 AM |
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I want them to be seprit towns!
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Saruman
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On academic leave
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posted October 07, 2001 02:48 AM |
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Mixing Inferno and Necro units was one of the most STUPID thinks 3DO has done for HOMM 4. I think the Angels and Inferno units should be ditched (Except for the Efreet), and replaced by some new undead. I realy like undead, and Wizard and Necromancer happen to be my favouite classes. The only problem with undead is that they do cost too much, although I guess that it would cost a lot to create undead.
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niteshade
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posted October 07, 2001 07:25 AM |
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Gerdash,
"some things may have names that have no connection to the original meaning, yet those names are accepted as meaningful words. and imho the name 'satanism' fits the religion perfectly in the modern religious world."
Um.....no it doesn't. The force the satanists worship is very similar to the force that other neo pagan religions worship. But yet for absolutely no reason they choose to use a chrisitian term to define this god despite the fact that it has no place in the christian religion. And the only reason they do this is to make their religion seem cooler and more edgey. It's like they know their religion lacks substance compared to other pagan religions, so they aim for shock value to distinguish themselves. Well if your going to base the title of your religion around offending the vast majority of the world's population then you can't be upset when people have a negative opinion of you and don't consider you a valid religion. And out of curiosity, in exactly what countries is the church of Satan recognized in?
"and your statement about me not understanding this very brief and incomplete summary of satanism after just bit more than only ten years of interest in practices that have often been more or less satanism-related, and after reading more than just one web page about satanism, is very interesting. maybe you can show your competence with sth better than just coming up with argumentation based on an original meaning of a word not being suitable for the satan. and.. the chistian terms also come from somewhere.. ten years is a long time, so maybe i don't remember correctly, but maybe it could have been something related with seth.. "
First off, I read what you showed me which almost perfectly agreed with me. The fact that you showed me a website which disagreed with your stance in order to defend your stance shows a lack of understanding.
Secondly I have also spent a long time, longer then you in fact, studying and talking to people of other pagan religions. And it's worth noting that even other pagan religions don't like people who call themselves satanists, because they worship essentialy the same force the other religions do, but for absolutely no reason they give it the name of an evil and hated figure from other religions. As a result they not only insult the other pagan religions, but they turn other people against them.
"at least the theologists do not seem to agree with you here:
'It is important to realize that the Satan that they recognize has few if any points of similarity with the conservative Christian concept of Satan.'
as you can see they use the word. "
Did you even read what I originaly said? They perfectly agree with my point here. They say that the satan they worship has nothing to do with the christian concept of satan or any other religions concept of satan for that matter. And in other parts they say that they should not even use the name satan since it is misleading.
"what i pointed out earlier was that the christian interpretation of religions is being taken to the extreme in homm4, making the christian/human town supreme to all others. "
First off, how is the town supreme to all others? All towns are supposed to be balanced and with the game coming out there is certainly no way to say one is supreme. Secondly why are you calling it a christian town, just because it has angels? Many religions have angels and they are also a traditional part of fantasy.
"but i would like to see all towns as an equal choice. also, imho even the form of demons that the christians talk about is not dead demons, they are distorted imprisoned and neglected demons, and imho they should fit the asylum best, and also the graphics of the asylum perfectly fits at least some of the medieval paintings of hell. "
What are you talking about dead demons? Are you discussing weither or not demons are the spirits of the dead or seperate entities that are never alive? Or are you talking about something else? I agree it would be reasonable to put demons in the asylum town, but I think town is supposed to be chaotic and not necesarily evil. The necropolis town is the only truly evil town so devils would seem apropriate there. And no that's not in any way offensive to those who call themselves satanists, because they don't believe in devils in the first place.
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niteshade
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posted October 07, 2001 08:13 AM |
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Oh also as a final note.....
You obviously have objections to the fact that I do not show religious tolerence to the satanism religion, and in fact you are correct about this. That is one of the very few religions I don't have much respect for.
However before you judge me on this you should look to yourself as well. Some of your own postings have shown a significant amount of lack of tolerence towards the christian religion, especialy conservative christians.
Similarly satanists are well known for an extreme lack of tolerence for other faiths, not just traditional faiths but other pagan faiths as well. In many ways they are just as bad as super conservative christians in the intolerence arena. Even the website you gave me makes a big point of noting how extremely critical they are towards other religions. And even if you are not a satanist yourself, this has obviously rubbed off on you.
So before you go complaining about others you should look to the way you act first.
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Lichie_Lich
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posted October 07, 2001 09:10 AM |
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I just wanted the necropolis to be called "Underworld" because it is supposed to be an undead town(Necropolis means "City of the Dead") while the name "Underworld" is more suitable for a town with undead and demon denizens living under the same roof. By the way, GOSH I HATE THE LOOK OF THE VENOM SPAWN!!! It looked like a mutated alien goop from planet cheapo! If I were NWC I will change the look of it to a more "arachnid" demon look. Hell why must NWC put such a disgusting grotesque creature in such a beautiful town...
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Lichie_Lich
Hired Hero
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posted October 07, 2001 09:16 AM |
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Whoops sorry if I didn't join the satanism debate on this... what I really think is that when you change the town name into underworld, it won't sound satanic at all...it's more like the Greek myth type of design, where there's an underworld with Hades(instead of Satan)being the boss on the block.
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