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Gerdash
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posted October 10, 2001 06:30 PM |
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what homm? is it about homm1 or homm2? in homm3 the inferno had dungeon allies, didn't it?
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niteshade
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posted October 10, 2001 06:37 PM |
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Yep Inferno was allied to both the dungeon and the necropolis. And The castle was allied to the tower and rampart.
Inferno and necropolis must be even more closely allied now since they are in the same town. Either that or the inferno was just destroyed, and the ones who got away are now living with the necromancers.
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UnkaHaakon
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posted October 10, 2001 10:22 PM |
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OFFTOPIC..note on QPs awarded this thread
Just so you all know, the quality bonuses applied to this thread were for the way the discussion re satanism was handled.
No flames, no "your ideas suck", but a good debate, with each side supporting their opinions in a polite, intelligent manner.
::grins:: plus, they've slid back on-topic.
For the most part, when I award QPs, I'll add a post to the thread explaining why I rated it in the 'top 2%'. I know that several people have expressed a desire to see this from the mods. I'll also up the thread rating to 'inspiring' to encourage others to take a look. If I penalize a post, it will only be for violations of the code of conduct in the FAQ. You HAVE all read the FAQ, haven't you? 
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LordTitan
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2001 02:50 AM |
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NECROS AND INFERNOS SOULD NOT MIX AND SOULD NOT MIX ANY TIME ANY WHERE!!!!!
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niteshade
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posted October 11, 2001 06:54 PM |
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Gotta love a well reasoned and defended argument like only lord titan can make.
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted October 11, 2001 07:23 PM |
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(thanks for the qp for our patience..)
btw, i have been looking for inferno or necro campaigns among those that come with homm3, but i havn't had any success. exception was some scenarios in the storyline campaigns, but inferno was allied with dungeon there.
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niteshade
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posted October 11, 2001 07:36 PM |
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Well traditionaly the 3 evil towns have always been allies, but it is true that in restoration of erathia the necromancers are more of a force behind the scenes controling everything until the end when they move. However if you play shadow of death which takes place before restoration you will see in the last campaign that it was actualy sandro and the necromancers who made a deal with the Kreegans (Inferno) to get them to move against the erathian kingdom in order to distract them so the necromancers could take over.
Also just traditionaly, the inferno, dungeon, and necropolis were always defined as evil, and so were the towns most likely to be working together.
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Gerdash
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posted October 11, 2001 07:38 PM |
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didn't have sod. so that's where..
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niteshade
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posted October 11, 2001 07:44 PM |
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It may also be good to remember that the kreegans had a devastating blow struck against them at the end of armageddons blade, and it may be that most of them were wiped out. That would also explain why they don't have their own town in H4.
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LordTitan
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posted October 14, 2001 11:48 PM |
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INFERNO'S AND NECROMANCERS ARE COMPLETLY DIFFERANT!!!
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niteshade
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posted October 16, 2001 11:32 PM |
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Yet another logical and well explained argument from lord titan. Amazing how he argues so well he doesn't need to bother with facts, inteligent comments, or supporting his statements.
Anyway pheonix and wolves are totaly different too and they are in the same town.
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Zune
Adventuring Hero
of Tatalia
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posted October 17, 2001 12:24 PM |
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The Necropolis and the Inferno are different from each other. While the Inferno has burning fire everywhere, the Necropolis is quite a calm, dismal place. This is also reflected in the looks of the creatures; all the Inferno creatures are red, while the Necropolis creatures are more colourless.
However, as far as I know, it hasn't been described how similar creatures have to be to live in the same town. Different creatures live in different dwellings, even if they are in the same town. As Niteshade points out, there are many creatures completely different from each other that are in the same town.
The important similarity the Inferno and the Necropolis have, is that both of them are evil. If the Inferno and the Dungeon can be allied, I have no problem seeing the Inferno and the Necropolis allied. After all, what are the similarities between the Inferno and the Dungeon, except that both of them are evil?
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Preserver
Promising
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Elemental Druid
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posted October 17, 2001 09:01 PM |
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Anyone as much as noticed my post on page 2? (the longest of them)
It atleast had some documentation/arguments for demons an undead being in the same town. (based on MtG as inspiration for the alignments in HoMM4)
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted October 18, 2001 07:34 PM |
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preserver: yeah, i noticed it and read it quite thoroughlly, but was too engaged in sth else at that time. actually, although i strongly believe they have given things some thought in mtg, i don't see why homm4 couldn't be a bit different. they have elves and wolves in the same town in mtg? well, as a reader of tolkien lotr, i might object to it and expect the wolves to be with the homm4 barbarians. but the main difference is that they have a might town in homm4.. and imho the interpretation of homm4 is different in some parts. there is often a thin line between deciding this way or that, and the way things are interpreted can change a lot here, imho. so.. the demons and the undead are in black swamp im mtg? why should the devils live in a swamp, at least when talking about the homm interpretation?
not only do i think that the chaos thing with it's ideology and damage spells should suit the devils, the homm4 asylum looks like a perfect medieval interpretation of hell imho.. it hurts to see the devils in hades instead. only reasonable thing about it is that there are many of the coolest creatures in high levels in the asylum.
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niteshade
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posted October 18, 2001 08:06 PM |
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Well as I said before, you should remember that heroes is not set in the middle ages, and the demons of the heroes world are not middle ages type demons. Also the chaos town is not supposed to be evil, but if it had demons in it, it would pretty much have to be.
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted October 18, 2001 08:43 PM |
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huh.. as you said before, niteshade..
actually, in this very page in the forum:
"Also just traditionaly, the inferno, dungeon, and necropolis were always defined as evil, and so were the towns most likely to be working together."
now, it seems that in one note you reason your statement with dungeon being evil, and in another note you seem to reason more or less the same statement with the dungeon not being evil. assuming it's fair play here, how am i supposed not to be confused? imho it might need some further clarification.
i don't exactly recall what you said about homm4 not being set in middle ages, though. would you mind to direct me to the post or say sth about it again?
(would you take notice that the above was written in a confused state of mind, so i guess i am neither fully responsible for what i wrote here, nor do i think that you should expect it to make sense)
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btw i don't exactly know why, but i find lordtitan's comments very refreshing. even no matter what side he is on, especially if there is no reasoning.
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niteshade
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posted October 18, 2001 09:09 PM |
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Gerdash,
"your statement with dungeon being evil, and in another note you seem to reason more or less the same statement with the dungeon not being evil. assuming it's fair play here, how am i supposed not to be confused? imho it might need some further clarification. "
Actually I never said the dungeon was not evil. It is. But the asylum is not the dungeon. It's a town devoted to chaos, and while they presumably do evil things they are also allied with the reasonably benign preserve. Just because many of the dungeon creatures are there does not mean it's the same organization.
"i don't exactly recall what you said about homm4 not being set in middle ages, though. would you mind to direct me to the post or say sth about it again? "
Look back to the post where I explain the origin of demons and devils in the world of might and magic. It's clear from that post that their origins have nothing to do with medieval origins.
"btw i don't exactly know why, but i find lordtitan's comments very refreshing. even no matter what side he is on, especially if there is no reasoning. "
hehe, it would be more refreshing if every single comment he ever made was not like that. After a point it gets kind of frustrating.
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Gerdash
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from the Animated Peace
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posted October 19, 2001 12:48 PM |
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well.. yeah, it seems i hate everything in homm that doesn't come from middle ages or at least from mythology based fantasy.
so where do the homm4 demons come from.. from my point of view it would be a very good example of cheapness if nwc officially said that the demons are aliens that come from some planet in another galaxy, riding some version of dragon golems.
ok, so it's because the chaos and dungeon are different in your opinion. but i guess it is quite likely that the chaos town will still officially be among "evil" towns in homm4. well. i use '".."' just because imho evil is not sth absolute but depends on things like point of view. btw.. wasn't fortress also kind of "evil" in homm3?
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Preserver
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posted October 19, 2001 12:53 PM |
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So much for that intention...
Now they're starting again....
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niteshade
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posted October 19, 2001 07:48 PM |
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"so where do the homm4 demons come from.. from my point of view it would be a very good example of cheapness if nwc officially said that the demons are aliens that come from some planet in another galaxy, riding some version of dragon golems. "
Well I don't know if the H4 demons are the same as the H3 ones, but they probably are. So as for where they come from, I assume they come from the world of H3, and escaped into the portal like everyone else.
I agree with you, I don't love the idea of devils being from another planet originaly either, but that's already been pre-established. But don't worry they aren't riding dragon golems. Dragon golems were made by the wizards of the academy.
But even traditional fantasy demons and devils are not too much like medieval ones, and in fact most fantasy worlds are not really supposed to be take place in the traditional middle ages. There is even a reasonable fantasy tradition of demons and devils using death magic. Many of the demons and devils in D&D for example have the ability to animate dead and cast death spells.
"ok, so it's because the chaos and dungeon are different in your opinion. but i guess it is quite likely that the chaos town will still officially be among "evil" towns in homm4. well."
Well chaos is allied with the preserve so it can't be completely evil. But in H4 there really aren't any evil towns (except maybe the necropolis), towns just specialize in forms of magic. I'm assuming that the dungeon and the asylym will be different because the whole point of the dungeon is that it was ruled by the dungeon overlords, and the asylum is most likely a different political organization. We won't know until the game is released though.
"i use '".."' just because imho evil is not sth absolute but depends on things like point of view. btw.. wasn't fortress also kind of "evil" in homm3? "
Well in H3 evil was absolute. In H4 though you will be happy to know that it's less absolute with towns not being defined as good or evil. And the fortress was in fact not evil in H3. Fortress and stronghold were defined as neutral.
Moderator's note:This topic has been closed, as it refers to an older version of the game. To discuss Heroes 3, please go to Library Of Enlightenment, to discuss Heroes 4, please go to War Room Of Axeoth.
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