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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 01:10 PM |
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Ridiculous abilities? Discussion of new TotE Unit Abilities.
ok so here's the list alci posted in the main TotE topic with my comments about the ones that seem ridiculous one way or another.. sorry I just had to re-post it, the main topic is the main topic, not some special-discussion thread..
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2) Disease zombies will cause all creatures excluding undead to decrease their attack and defense values by two and decrease morale by one.
Now tell me who'd want to use the normal zombies with such great special around? :| They are even more durable, their special is much much better (like instant plague at all units+aditional morale reduce)
and.. who cares about their damage anyway.
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6) Banshee causes all of the enemy�s creatures to have decreased morale by one.
Is that so.. the level 2 zombies' special is better.. 1 point of morale isn't much for a level 6 unit! underpowered.
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1) Quasit extracts mana from enemy hero and distributes it evenly between all casters in quasit�s army.
Which casters.. pitlords? They are sucky casters anyway.
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4) Succubus Temptress is immune to hypnosis, and has the ability to seduce a creature one time per battle. The owner of the succubus can control seduced creatures.
And I thought puppet master was a level 5 ultimate dark spell.. and what do we have now.. the ultimate dark spell introduced at level 4 unit? JOKE!
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6) Pit Spawn will deal damage increased by two for each creature in the attacked stack.
It's ok, I'd just like to see the damage done to the old necromancy skeletons' stack! 
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7) Arch Demon�s ability �Summon Other� will allow him to choose any creature in the radius of his movement area. Chosen target will teleport near the Arch demon stack in tile, which will be the closest to the direction of previous position.
Umm, what is that good for..? If you want pit spawns to fight, use tele assault.. >_> The rest of demon army is high-initiative AND speed.. underpowered.
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1) One time per battle, dryads will be able to heal and resurrect treants, in the same time treants will be able to heal dryads. One dryad heals four hit points, one treant 20 hitpoints.
Yeah, and after a month full pop of dryads can ressurect two treants. How useful.. 
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3) Sharpshooters will ignore 75% of targets defense, his shoot can throw target back by one tile.
RIDICULOUS! who still thinks m.hunters are better?
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4) High Druids can perform special ritual, which transfers their magical power to hero, adding him spell power. The effect lasts until there are no more druids alive.
That's interesting ; the sylvan hero may finally use its destructive magic to great effect!
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5) When White Unicorns participate in battle, every light magic spell excluding damaging spells will be cast on the unicorns, regardless of the caster.
Would be wonderful for necropolis or any non-light based faction, but sylvan RELIES on it.. so, all of the haste and righteous might spells thrown by rangers will now perish and buff only unicorns? Sorry it's kind of a BAD special imo. Unless you want to drop light magic and go full destructive, that is (using the high druids' power)
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6) Anger treant�s ability �Rage of the Forest� will activate only once per battle, and take effect for the whole battle. Treants will transfer half of their defense to attack, increase their initative by two and loose the ability to entangle enemy.
Wow, 34 att treants..
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7) Rainbow Dragon�s fire attack can affect one to five tiles, depending on luck.
Interesting, although with luck being almost a must for rangers, I fear that it will become even more ridiculous than megadragon's arc breath attack
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3) Obsidian golems are immune to all spells excluding those dealing damage. Every spell that deals magical damage heals and resurrects golems. The amount of restored hitpoints equals to 50% of the damage, which would have been dealt by the magical attack. At the start of the battle, golems receive �Obsidian sphere� that zeroes damage from destruction spells. If the golem stack was somehow damaged, next magical attack that hits them will heal the stack. If the golems suffer from area spell together with allied units, they will transfer portion of the damage to themselves.
Goodbye, warlocks. Going sylvan now xD
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5) Genies � viziers can increase luck for friendly creatures and decrease it for enemy creatures. They can do that three times per battle. It is possible to do so on a single unit only once per battle.
Arties+luck skill+this special = 10 luck titans?
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1) As long as defenders do not move, they receive five point addition to their defense.
And to think we thought guardpost was overpowered already.
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5) When acid hydra takes damage, it spills acidic blood four tiles to the side of the attack. The damage of the acid is equal to one fourth of normal damage dealt by the stack of hydras.
And since the hydras deal very low damage, it will be like corrupted soil or soulfire: completely insignificant. underpowered.
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7) Red Dragon can fly up and attack nearby enemy with 1,5 times more powerful attack without receiving retaliation.
Fine, now give it jousting and life drain >_>
ohh boy..
Magma dragons and titans' alternatives have also quite underpowered specials; given how hard is to get a decent ammount of them, their specials will deal like 100 damage, which is another soulfire-alike crap. Sad.
And, praise haven! Zealots and fallen imbas are here 
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted June 10, 2007 01:18 PM |
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5) When White Unicorns participate in battle, every light magic spell excluding damaging spells will be cast on the unicorns, regardless of the caster.
Would be wonderful for necropolis or any non-light based faction, but sylvan RELIES on it.. so, all of the haste and righteous might spells thrown by rangers will now perish and buff only unicorns? Sorry it's kind of a BAD special imo. Unless you want to drop light magic and go full destructive, that is (using the high druids' power)
I think you misunderstand this ability. As I read it, it will work like Mark of the Wizard. Any Light Magic spell cast by either side will also be cast on the Unicorn. Resurrection ... woohoo.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 01:18 PM |
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ahh. perhaps.
That makes sense 
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted June 10, 2007 01:36 PM |
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Edited by radar at 13:37, 10 Jun 2007.
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3) One of the upgrades for Orc warrior can take hits, which were targeted on a nearby friendly stacks, also his retaliation attack is two times stronger than normal attack.
Like martyr from h4. or... from my inferno renegades like it, though
4) Shamans � Human and succubus hybrids can cast haste and slow. One of the upgrades, when engaged in hand-to-hand combat will curse (Slow, Weakness, Curse, Disrupting ray) the opponent.
Weakness and Curse? wtf?
7) Cyclops is a strong hand-to-hand fighter, with an ability to attack walls, when in siege battle. One of the upgrades for Cyclops can shoot beam from his eye that affects several creatures, and decreases his victims luck.
yeah, Star Wars! looks like TotE brings luck merry-go-round
Necropolis
2) Disease zombies will cause all creatures excluding undead to decrease their attack and defense values by two and decrease morale by one.
wasn't that aura? I mean surrounding creatures would be more balanced
4) When Nosferatu attacks, he can put creature to sleep for three rounds.
too much IMO. average damage of N the same as VL, even higher hit points (but this really decreases life drain effect)
Inferno
1) Quasit extracts mana from enemy hero and distributes it evenly between all casters in quasit�s army.
completly useless, show me someone who pick pit lord
4) Succubus Temptress is immune to hypnosis, and has the ability to seduce a creature one time per battle. The owner of the succubus can control seduced creatures.
and what else?
6) Pit Spawn will deal damage increased by two for each creature in the attacked stack.
tank unit even without it 
7) Arch Demon�s ability �Summon Other� will allow him to choose any creature in the radius of his movement area. Chosen target will teleport near the Arch demon stack in tile, which will be the closest to the direction of previous position.
you mean pit spawns
Sylvan
1) One time per battle, dryads will be able to heal and resurrect treants, in the same time treants will be able to heal dryads. One dryad heals four hit points, one treant 20 hitpoints.
nice here, better than cleansing IMO
3) Sharpshooters will ignore 75% of targets defense, his shoot can throw target back by one tile.
 only 75%?
5) When White Unicorns participate in battle, every light magic spell excluding damaging spells will be cast on the unicorns, regardless of the caster.
I hope this means if light spells is casted on any creature its also casted on uni,
6) Anger treant�s ability �Rage of the Forest� will activate only once per battle, and take effect for the whole battle. Treants will transfer half of their defense to attack, increase their initative by two and loose the ability to entangle enemy.
that surely will be strong unit, having that much hp, def will still be high though I'm scarry
7) Rainbow Dragon�s fire attack can affect one to five tiles, depending on luck.
I hope it don't damages own creatures...
Academy
3) Obsidian golems are immune to all spells excluding those dealing damage. Every spell that deals magical damage heals and resurrects golems. The amount of restored hitpoints equals to 50% of the damage, which would have been dealt by the magical attack. At the start of the battle, golems receive �Obsidian sphere� that zeroes damage from destruction spells. If the golem stack was somehow damaged, next magical attack that hits them will heal the stack. If the golems suffer from area spell together with allied units, they will transfer portion of the damage to themselves.
It seems resurrecting become popular 
4) Battle mages have a little amount of spells, their shoot only hits one target.
so they have spells!
5) Genies � viziers can increase luck for friendly creatures and decrease it for enemy creatures. They can do that three times per battle. It is possible to do so on a single unit only once per battle.
don't worry, thats only 5 luck 
7) Colossus can summon 3x3 tile sized cloud to any place on the battlefield; every creature that gets under the cloud receives 10 points of damage for each colossus that summoned the cloud. Shooters under the cloud receive 1% penalty to ranged attack for each colossus.
silly for me, to much cartoons nival!
Fortress
1) As long as defenders do not move, they receive five point addition to their defense.
 sieges will be much more interesting
7) When the dragons attack, they leave a fire wall, that deals ten point damage for each dragon in the stack.
Dungeon
2) Blood Witch is immune to curses, deals less damage and has more hitpoints.
unfortunatelly curses not curse
7) Red Dragon can fly up and attack nearby enemy with 1,5 times more powerful attack without receiving retaliation.
once per battle, please
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 01:58 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 13:59, 10 Jun 2007.
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7) Arch Demon�s ability �Summon Other� will allow him to choose any creature in the radius of his movement area. Chosen target will teleport near the Arch demon stack in tile, which will be the closest to the direction of previous position.
Umm, what is that good for..? If you want pit spawns to fight, use tele assault.. >_> The rest of demon army is high-initiative AND speed.. underpowered.
Hmm, what I think I will be doing with this ability is pulling enemy shooters from the backlines to the middle of the battlefield
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 01:59 PM |
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oh, wait. It's any creature, not allied creature.. hmm, pretty interesting, right. I have to read more carefully next time
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted June 10, 2007 03:05 PM |
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I just wanna say this
deirdre + banshees + horror + ring of the broken will + clok of death's shadow = the enemy doesn't get to move 
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted June 10, 2007 03:19 PM |
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wow, the Banshees turned out to be horrible creatures. all that damage loss so that you can do something the zombies already do for you?
rofl at sharpshooters.
rofl at defenders.
rofl at succubus temptress. now they can use puppet master for free like Doomforge already said
this is horrible i say, i SERIOUSLY hope that Nival is gonna balance these skills before release. well luckily it's only June so they have plenty of time atleast
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted June 10, 2007 03:22 PM |
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the incinerate has such a huge drool factor, I can't wait to see that in action!
A has anyone checked the abilities against the stats?
Rainbow breath: It doesn't make enemies gay! DARN!
Fire Breather: Breathes fire! OMG! I NEVER EXPECTED THAT!
Poor goblins, everything happens to them... I like the trap Idea
Lazer Eye Cyclops are back!!!
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted June 10, 2007 03:23 PM |
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I must say, I think there is some sort of mistake in the Zombie info. It seems very unlikely that the decrease will work beyond the immediate surroundings of the Zombie. This is an aura after all. That will also make the ability very ballanced as I see it.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 10, 2007 03:30 PM |
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Come on guys it can't be as cheap. Remember there can still be a case of bad translation or the magazine getting the info incomplete or misunderstood.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 03:34 PM |
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I must say, I think there is some sort of mistake in the Zombie info. It seems very unlikely that the decrease will work beyond the immediate surroundings of the Zombie. This is an aura after all. That will also make the ability very ballanced as I see it.
I hope so >_>
Elvin: maybe some of them aren't exactly precise, but that sharpshooter thing.. it can't be translated bad. Besides, no haven alternatives.. that means those imba renegades ^_^
Well, zealots are nothing compared to tier4 puppetmaster casters, tho ^_^
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ismail222
Known Hero
The Cataclysm
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posted June 10, 2007 03:36 PM |
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Rainbow breath: It doesn't make enemies gay! DARN!
Fire Breather: Breathes fire! OMG! I NEVER EXPECTED THAT!
xDDDDD
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 10, 2007 03:42 PM |
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Elvin: maybe some of them aren't exactly precise, but that sharpshooter thing.. it can't be translated bad.
Well, zealots are nothing compared to tier4 puppetmaster casters, tho ^_^
They could do that within a certain range for instance. As for the succubi hmm...
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Deathy
Known Hero
Angels Galore
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posted June 10, 2007 03:49 PM |
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i wonder is the subbubus seduce removable with anykind of ability or cleansing. lay hands for example?
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Sanyu
Known Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 04:07 PM |
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That's it, if all those are true, no more expansion for me...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 10, 2007 04:18 PM |
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Yeah as if you don't like what they did for inferno
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Sanyu
Known Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 04:23 PM |
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Yeah as if you don't like what they did for inferno
Okay true, but the prob is other factions are overpowered too
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Olo
Hired Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 04:29 PM |
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If it will be as it`s written about succubi you won`t need rest of army. just split succubi on 7 stacks and then seduce.... HORRIBLE I SAY !!!
i hope Nival know what they create
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dfortae
Known Hero
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posted June 10, 2007 04:31 PM |
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Yeah, some of those are definitely ridiculous...
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