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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted October 09, 2007 01:21 PM |
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Dungeon vs stronghold
I haven't played the demo yet, but from what I've seen so far about the orcs they are dungeon killers.
I want to hear how do you (the community) think it should be played with a warlock against a barbarian with expert shatter destructive, might over magic...
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted October 09, 2007 01:27 PM |
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I think it may be quite a theorycrafter's approach, since I have yet to play ToTe, but I'd go for summoning and might approach with a fast rush, a completely non-ordotox way. From what I've read here, orcs are killers when the battle lasts long or the hero has all those rage buffers, so you need to squeeze'em fast. Summoning is one of lock's skills and would do neat with spells like fire trap+warlock's luck. Dungeon's creatures are fast enough to cripple some of the crucial orc creatures before they power up to insanity. YOu can go for fast might because you don't have to fear dark.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 09, 2007 01:34 PM |
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Hmmm ... this discussion would also do quite well in the Dungeon Strategy thread ...
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted October 09, 2007 01:36 PM |
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Considering the amount of damage rage absorbs is higher with bigger stacks I could use destructive in a week 3/4 confrontation. But summoning just seems more convenient and you don't have to fear luck of the barbarian. Sorcery, leadership, luck and maybe attack would be among my priorities. Or dark even for a mass slow if I could get it.
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted October 09, 2007 01:41 PM |
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if you'd go for dark than I guess Lethos or Yrbeth would be your best choice
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted October 09, 2007 01:45 PM |
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Yrwanna already starts with slow and has a fury specialty that could do some damage until the furies are killed. Regardless Lethos's special would be fun to use against the orcs 
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted October 09, 2007 01:50 PM |
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rushing seems to be the only option here, without big rage bonuses the warlock's creatures can tear the weak orcish line-up even without destructive magic (from the stats assassin+fury can take on lv1-4 orc creatures without a problem)
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sdfx
Famous Hero
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posted October 09, 2007 02:01 PM |
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Add growth to your math..
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted October 09, 2007 02:53 PM |
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considering growth first two tier creatures from warlock wins against first three tier creatures in stronghold with just one destr spell I'd say
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted October 09, 2007 03:00 PM |
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Well I guess stronghold stands better chances to survive a Dungeon rush as anyone else in this game. Not because of the shatter skills but with Warmachines + centaurs+blood rage that absorbs damage you'd be pretty screwed as Dungeon I'd say. And prehaps you have a nice bunch of trappers who'll stop your furries from reaching you... Naaah Stronghold will do nice against rushes I think. Of course only if you prepare for them...
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted October 09, 2007 04:22 PM |
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to make it fair, I think that the shatter destructive magic skill should have the smallest chance of being learned by a barbarian
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WarLore
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servant of urgash
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posted October 09, 2007 04:50 PM |
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isnt this thread a little bit early? 
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kermit
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Soul hunter
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posted October 09, 2007 05:14 PM |
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Hard fight, I'd use Lithos and dark vs barbarians, mass slow , mass decay, vulnerability probably. If they get enough blood rage it's probably over for you. I'd be very concerned with the cyclops though, it is a fearsome beast without much weakness, he can regain hp by eating gobs too... 
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WarLore
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servant of urgash
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posted October 09, 2007 07:22 PM |
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we should keep tournament few days after release.
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watcher83
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Child of Malassa
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posted October 10, 2007 10:58 AM |
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if you rush him, he is still a long way from getting cyclops
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted October 10, 2007 11:01 AM |
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In that case there's the possibility of a triple flaming ballista with very good attack. And not all maps allow fast confrontations.
But I will agree for now that a barbarian is better to tackle early than later We'll see how it turns out soon.
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sdfx
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posted October 10, 2007 11:44 AM |
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Edited by sdfx at 11:45, 10 Oct 2007.
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Cmon, it's obvious that magic heroes should strike early - later barabarian's stats and bloodrage will be too powerful to be stopped. Not to mention that a barbarian needs time to develop his 5% chance skill(s) to stop the magic(s).
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted October 10, 2007 11:48 AM |
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Yes. But by that time the warlock can get slippers and warlock's luck. And use hit&run. The barbarians are slow.
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sdfx
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posted October 10, 2007 12:02 PM |
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Edited by sdfx at 12:09, 10 Oct 2007.
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Yes, I believe that quickly done hit and run stays as the best dungeon strat even if a warlock would lose some artifacts. What is very nice is the detail that that cloak of sylanna > slipers don't hurt that much because ignited fireball or arma(when about to die) can be used. Also, deep freeze looks very solid.
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Ceres
Supreme Hero
and sweetness
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posted October 10, 2007 12:35 PM |
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I just hope there's a way for dungeon to beat stronghold.
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