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Jiriki9
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posted June 22, 2009 04:01 PM |
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His argument is there should only be air, water, earth and fire elemental, no such things as mentally or omnibus elemental...
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xerdux
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posted June 22, 2009 04:12 PM |
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Edited by xerdux at 16:15, 22 Jun 2009.
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In the Ashan lore Light and Shadow are elementals too. Otherwise Elrath and Malassa wouldnt be elemental dragons.
And it suits very well as Conflux could look something like this then:
1. Air Elemental
2. Fire Elemental
3. Earth Elemental
4. Water Elemental
5. Light Elemental
6. Shadow Elemental
7. Phoenix
Then the racial skill could be Elemental Merging.
Fire + Earth = Magma Elemental Tier 2
Air + Water = Typhoon Elemental Tier 4
Light + Shadow = Twilight Elemental Tier 6
Typhoon + Twilight + Magma = Meta Elemental Tier 7
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Jiriki9
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posted June 22, 2009 05:00 PM |
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I still do not really get phoenix in conflux, sicne (for me) phoenix is not an elemental creature, and if at all, it would be a merging of the elements fire & Light (and maybe air)...
yet I like the elemental merging idea 
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Berny-Mac
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posted June 22, 2009 06:36 PM |
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hey what would fire + air be anyways?
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Wight
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posted June 23, 2009 07:24 AM |
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Edited by Wight at 07:30, 23 Jun 2009.
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His argument is there should only be air, water, earth and fire elemental, no such things as mentally or omnibus elemental...
Omnibus elemental is the "mixture" of all other elementals and mentality elemental is the "heir" of the psychic elemental... i still don't get what's the bad in the idea for something new...
An what does "there should only be air, water, earth and fire" mean?! Who said that they MUST be only four and they MUST be the four one from homm3???
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MattII
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posted June 23, 2009 01:04 PM |
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Omnibus elemental is the "mixture" of all other elementals and mentality elemental is the "heir" of the psychic elemental... i still don't get what's the bad in the idea for something new...
1. You have called creatures 'elementals' that clearly aren't (energy is not an element, neither is mind).
2. The whole ideas of having the 'elementals' at different tiers is pathetic, the elements are meant to be equal.
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An what does "there should only be air, water, earth and fire" mean?! Who said that they MUST be only four and they MUST be the four one from homm3???
Because that's the whole point behind elementals, physical (semi-physical in some cases) representations of the elements, not a random bunch of creatures with similar name suffixes.
Honestly, if you're going to try to create a Conflux town look here first.
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Wight
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posted June 23, 2009 02:29 PM |
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Omnibus elemental is the "mixture" of all other elementals and mentality elemental is the "heir" of the psychic elemental... i still don't get what's the bad in the idea for something new...
1. You have called creatures 'elementals' that clearly aren't (energy is not an element, neither is mind).
2. The whole ideas of having the 'elementals' at different tiers is pathetic, the elements are meant to be equal.
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An what does "there should only be air, water, earth and fire" mean?! Who said that they MUST be only four and they MUST be the four one from homm3???
Because that's the whole point behind elementals, physical (semi-physical in some cases) representations of the elements, not a random bunch of creatures with similar name suffixes.
Honestly, if you're going to try to create a Conflux town look here first.
Well then I'll have to opt from my idea for conflux...
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MattII
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posted June 24, 2009 01:15 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 11:58, 24 Jun 2009.
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Well then I'll have to opt from my idea for conflux...
*shrug* Conflux isn't the only unique idea around, I mean if you want to risk it you could use gnomes, naga, troglodytes, lizardmen, etc. You could also go for themes that AFAIK haven't really been tried till now, like Hellenic (ancient Greek), Steampunk, Gun-toting, etc.
Dargor mentioned a while back reintroducing the Forge. I dislike the idea of introducing the old Forge, which was far too cyberpunk to ever fit in a HoMM game. I have however, come up with a Forge that I hope will be acceptable to the majority of people:
Forge
Tier 1
Pike > Macehead Pike/Dragon Pike
Tier 2
Crossbow > Repeater Crossbow/Fire Crossbow
Tier 3
Engineer > Saboteur
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Grenadier > Miner
Tier 4
Power-Soldier > Power Slicer
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Gunner > Arquebuser
Tier 5
Wagon > War Wagon
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Rocket Cart > Hwacha
Tier 6
Ballista > Polybolos
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Cannon > Mortar
Tier 7
Mecha-Beast > Mecha-Terror
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Fire-Gun > Dragon-Gun
Only one set of base and upgraded creatures are available at a time, and you select this by building either a Gearworks or a Powder Store (they're mutually exclusive to each other), before which the only creatures available are the Pike and the Crossbow.
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alcibiades
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posted June 24, 2009 12:21 PM |
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Power-Soldier? What is this, Power Rangers or something?
Forge as a futuristic concept is a no-go to me, but Forge as a Gnome town would work just fine. Never liked the in-battlefield Ballistae of Heroes 4 (and seems redundant with current War Machine anyway), but some good mechanical units like Dragon Golem and other stuff could go here. Engineers and Mechanics (Gnome units) would also be defaults.
I guess the major pit-fall as I see it is avoiding making a faction of War Machines, as we already have War Machines available for the factions in other contexts.
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Berny-Mac
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posted June 24, 2009 05:25 PM |
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don't forget our great friends, the halflings!
(not hobbits, sorry Frodo...)
While we're at it, why don't we just pop the dwarves in there, since the fortress wasn't exactly the greatest idea ever made. In fact, we should just throw the naga in there and give them a home while creating the order faction once again!!! Except that now Academy and Tower are separate and very much different.
Lineups:
Academy:
1. Gremlin-> Master Gremlin/ Gremlin Saboteur
2. Apprentice-> Arcane Adept/ Magical Learner
3. Gargoyle-> Elemental Gargoyle/ Obsidian Gargoyle
4. Spellsword-> Battlemage/ Arcane Warrior
5. Mage-> Archmage/ Sorcerer
6. Genie-> Master Genie/ Djinn Sultan
7. Giant-> Colossus/ Titan
Tower:
1. Halfling-> Gnome/ Hobbit (fine! you can come along, Frodo!)
2. Dwarf-> Dwarf Berserker/ Dwarf Guardian
3. Iron Golem-> Steel Golem/ Automaton
4. Bear Rider-> NOT BLACK BEAR RIDER/ NOT WHITE BEAR RIDER
5. Cheap Warcraft copy #1-> Cheap Warcraft copy #2/ Murloc
6. Naga-> Naga Queen/ Naga Summoner
7. Dragon Golem/ Serpent Golem/ Something else Golem
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Jiriki9
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posted June 24, 2009 05:35 PM |
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@berny: I vote for the "soemthing else golem", but what aboput a "dunno golem" or a "no idea golem" or maybe a "what the ****" golem?
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Berny-Mac
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posted June 24, 2009 07:14 PM |
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those look like promising candidates...
Moderators!? Am I correct!? Do they look like good candidates?!?
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MattII
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posted June 24, 2009 11:00 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 00:20, 25 Jun 2009.
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Power-Soldier? What is this, Power Rangers or something?
Actually it's a Gremlin in a power-suit (steampunk space-marine), although I agree it's not a very good name.
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Never liked the in-battlefield Ballistae of Heroes 4 (and seems redundant with current War Machine anyway), but some good mechanical units like Dragon Golem and other stuff could go here. Engineers and Mechanics (Gnome units) would also be defaults.
The Mecha-beast is basically a Dragon Golem, but a bit more solid-looking.
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I guess the major pit-fall as I see it is avoiding making a faction of War Machines, as we already have War Machines available for the factions in other contexts.
True, very true.
Forge
Tier 1
Pike > Slicer Pike/Dragon Pike
Tier 2
Crossbow > Windlass Crossbow/Rocket Crossbow
Tier 3
Engineer > Saboteur/Combat Engineer
Tier 4
Grenadier > Rocketeer/Mine-Dropper
Tier 5
Mecha-Warrior > Mecha Crossbow/Mecha-Mauler
Tier 6
Wagon > War Wagon/Gun Wagon
Tier 7
Mecha-Beast > Mecha-Terror/Mecha-dragon
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nessich
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posted June 24, 2009 11:08 PM |
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Edited by nessich at 15:50, 25 Jun 2009.
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I think that you shouldn't copy the creatures from the previous series, i think that Heroes 6 should be more original. For example:
Faction: Dragon Fort
Terrain: Snow
Specialization: Frost & Ice
Creatures:
Tier 1: blue dragon whelp - armored blue dragon whelp / ice whelp (flyer, shooter)
Tier 2: mana beast - mana serpent / arcane drainer (flyer, shooter and has a few spells)
Tier 3: water revenant - sea revenant / ice revenant (flyer, shooter)
Tier 4: mammoth rider - dire mammoth rider / wooly mammoth rider (walker, large)
Tier 5: drakonid - drakonid general / drakonid lord (walker)
Tier 6: mage - ice mage / mage lord (walker, shooter, caster-most powerfull caster from this faction)
Tier 7: dragonspawn - dragonspawn warrior / dragonspawn mage (large, walker)
Tier 8: sky drake - sky dragon / azure dragon (flyer, large immune to frost magic)
I can't figure out their abilities so I'm free to suggestions
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Wight
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posted June 25, 2009 07:56 AM |
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Edited by Wight at 08:03, 25 Jun 2009.
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I like it but:
1.there aren't any shooters
2.there are too many casters
3.it would be very nice if u add you're own different&unique skills
4.Oh, and one more thing - not sure about it but I don't thing that it's good almost every creature to be large...
Although I like it very much
PS: u should rename the tier 8 creature to:
sky drake > sky dragon - azure dragon, there's already a blue dragon
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nessich
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posted June 25, 2009 02:16 PM |
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Edited by nessich at 15:50, 25 Jun 2009.
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I forgot to put shooters cause I wasn't thinking much
the tier 1, 2, 3, 6 are shooters
Now I'm putting together the other factions
and here's a drawing of how should be the dragon fort like
but more magical and the buildings shouldn;t look like they are made by humans
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nessich
Hired Hero
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posted June 25, 2009 02:22 PM |
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Edited by nessich at 14:46, 25 Jun 2009.
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and only tier 4, 7 & 8 will be large
here are some artwork of the creatues:
AZURE DRAGON
creatures
MANA BEAST
MAMMOTH RIDER
ICE MAGE
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nessich
Hired Hero
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posted June 25, 2009 02:23 PM |
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Edited by nessich at 14:32, 25 Jun 2009.
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and and I like your idea about changing the tier 8 thanks
here's another faction I think it needs some changes
have some suggestions tell me
Faction: Dungeon
Terrain: Rough
Specialization: Magic (Chaos)
Creatures:
Tier 1: harpy - harpy witch / harpy queen (flyer, caster)
Tier 2: medusa - medusa archer / medusa queen (walker, shooter)
Tier 3: troll - troll hunter / troll shaman ( walker, shooter)
Tier 4: minotaur - minotaur warrior / minotaur mauler (walker)
Tier 5: bat - dire bat / vampire bat (flyer, large)
Tier 6: hydra - aicidic hydra / chaotic hydra ( walker, large)
Tier 7: witch - shadow witch / shadow matriarch (walker, caster)
Tier 8: shadow drake - black dragon / red dragon (flyer, large, immune to all magic)
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legendary_hero
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Stronghold Warchief
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posted June 25, 2009 05:29 PM |
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Here is a Little bit a tweaked Necropolis
Tier 1 : Skeleton-Skeleton Arche/Skeleton Warrior-same abilites like ToTe + Defensive Stance
Tier 2 : Zombie-Plague Zombie(weakning Strike)/ Rotten Zombie( Battle Rage-these guys are faster)
Tier 3 : Ghost-Spectre/Poltergeist Same like ToTe : but poltergeists are a little stronger because the specialty is a bit outclassed by the mana drain of the spectres
Tier 4 : Vampire-Vampire Lord/ Vampire Prince Same Like Tote...The lord has +1 initiative because lacks +1 speed..and prince gets +2 defence
Tier 5 : Lich-Archlich/Power Lich...Lich Gets Spellbook with basic suffering...(12 mana),, ArchLich damage and initiative increased by 1,,,Master Lich get +3 defence
Tier 6 : Bone Dragon-Spectral Dragon/Ghost Dragon-Bone Dragon gets Magic Proof 50% and reduced stats for being a tier 6,,Spectral Dragon has Cursing Attack and Immune To Weakness, Ghost Dragon has Sorrow Strike and Immune To Slow-(Also maybe Incorporeal like the ghosts but at 25% not 50%? for both upgrades) Still get that specialty of the Dragon Tomb and gets +1 Growth
Tier 7 : Black Knight-Dread Knight/Doom Knight
Black Knight -Att 26 Def 27 Dmg 40-50 Hp : 175 initiative: 10 Speed:7
Abilities : Undead.Fright Aura.Large Creature.Armored
Dread Knight - Att 31 Def 31 Dmg 50-60 Hp : 230 Initiative 11 Speed:7
Abilities : Undead.Death Stare.Large Creature.Death Blow.Armored.
Doom Knight - Att 28 Def 30 Dmg 40-50 Hp: 200 Initiative:12 Speed: 7
Mana : 20
Abilities : Undead.Immune To Fire.Large Creature.Armored.Mark of Fire.Flyer(Some kind of teleportaion animation like the devil)
Caster:
Curse of the Netherworld-Basic
Armageddon-Basic
Upgrades Cost 5000 Gold +2 mercury....Black knights costs 4000 gold +1 mercury
Death Blow: Has a chance on attack or retaliation to deal 2 times normal damage to enemy and make them loose all initiative(like bash)
I have tons of other changes to other factions and also considering a new faction of discared creature(medusa,manticore,harpy,cents etc...) An other change to stronghold coming soon
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alcibiades
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posted June 25, 2009 05:50 PM |
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Someone likes H3, eh?
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