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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 10, 2008 02:45 AM |
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there will always be whining, its just how it works. But this is the best balance, and makes it fair for all parties concerned. I can't just wipe clean the clan players who have achieved a lot of activity points.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 02:53 AM |
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The new system clan points seems very fair to me. Depends what you want. Playing rogue it's now more accurate than previous time.
About ranking system, and playing noobs, we all know that everyone could be beaten by anyone...That's what I learned so far, and I'm telling you it's true. Everyone can do some mistakes at some points...
The reason we are here is too have fun, but not to wait 30 mins for 1 turn, LIKE i DO NOW...
Absolutelly not true. If the gap between the skill of the two players is too big, weaker will never win - above a certain level, where suicide is extremely rare.
I would guess the critical is 400-500 ranking points. Above that its not a game but a tutorial. But I agree that this should be done sometimes.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 02:59 AM |
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Kispagat, i joined toh in August too, and just like you i had the luck to play with buxyrs at the beginning, from whom i learnt a lot (i needed to THINK on how am i gonna defeat him), although i didnt play multi before. Now, the thing is... who are those new ones gonna play and learn from if no one is willing to play them? I am not more experienced than you, in fact, i still consider myself a noob. But, unlike you, i didnt play just one faction and one map, i've tried them all. Plus... you now know that playing dungeon in HG is very hard. 
About wasting your time, i agree partially. I mean yeah, play sylvan in HG vs a new one is an absolute waste of time. But playing, i dunno, lets say necro, on, lets say, crap, any other map you DONT know, its not a waste of time.
Even I am best on HG with sylvan, nowadays I play random factions. Last week I killed Karim breaking on day 5 of week3 with necro...
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 08:04 AM |
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Just want to notice: From 71 games total in ToH Kispagat have 32 vs my clan 
So maybe he need to pay money for all lessons
It's nice to see how fast Kispagat improve his game and start kick ass. GJ mate !
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 09:53 AM |
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I can't just wipe clean the clan players who have achieved a lot of activity points.
If we are to use this logic... then when and if there is a 2nd TOH season to start... since I have acheived Lord this season, when the rest comes, I shouldnt be reset to Zero like all the other barons and squires... I should start at 1250 or something. I mean, cant just wipe the slate clean?!?! hehe
And believe it or not, I am well past my old Jinxer whiny stage. I merely am voicing an opinion of what I believe to be fair and balanced. Just like when season resets and all players barons and Emperors always go back to 1000, same should go for new season of clans. All start at Zero. Expecially if you want to increase activity. There are alot of new players, I get a new MSN join request everyday... it would be ashame to alienate them. Just my 2 cents. Maybe I am turning into a Vulcan here.... the logic is just to obvious here.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 10:58 AM |
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You are not right Jinxer. Zero points for all clans is not balanced. All most active clans need to start with negative points for better balance and up activity.
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jorko80
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 11:02 AM |
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Elit is funny as always,but I totally agree with Jinxer. The clans should be reset to zero even if my clan personally will lose most of all. Maybe some prestige points as a reward would be more appropriate.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 12:57 PM |
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Regarding giving credit to existing clan points... Both opposing opinions have their truth, however imo all their righteousness should be subject to the most important issue in TOH nowadays - how to attract new players and increase activity
Thus, starting out with this objective I'd say that minimal entrance barriers for new players is a MUST. Zero points for all clans As Mystical clearly stated above - current proposed system induces many hardships and lack of MOTIVATION.
To conclude, new blood is severely needed (and not just joining msn)! All efforts should be devoted to this goal!
On a positive note, clan wars are perfect platform where experienced players and starting ones can meet as high ranked players still can get points for clan! Without clan wars it would be just a free tutorial... Go, Clans, Go
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 01:04 PM |
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I would be a good idea as samielk mentioned, to restart the entire toh season and all reset to 1000 points as like the clans 
I'm definitely a noob in tote and deserve to be in the footman ranking if i do play, so it doesn't matter. I want the blue dragon as sovenir, that's all 
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Cycleguy
Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
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posted February 10, 2008 05:41 PM |
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Jorko is right, reset is only ok if some kind of award is given for previous clan games. However, this is not a new clan season, just changing the way clans work. To all who want a total restart.....play more and achieve emperor. When we get 8 emporers all restarts and season two begins from my understanding.
Clan points wont help activity, either the person likes to play in a tournament system or not, I dont think this will be any kind of miracle cure to any problem of activity. The only thing this is doing is letting clans "clean house" with inactive players and catch up with all the new updates since 1.0 was released (and its apreciated). We just need to play more now to achieve our 8 emoporers. Activity will increase when lords wont have to turn away games with noobs because theres nothing to gain.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 10, 2008 06:12 PM |
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Edited by vesuvius at 18:13, 10 Feb 2008.
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elit
Famous Hero
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posted February 10, 2008 07:25 PM |
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I'm not agree with idea reset to zero will up activity...how will up it ? If you chek chart all 1st 4 clans dont have any start bonus and they are in top. Maybe clans can get 5% from his last age not 10%...i dont care how much will be...but its normal to have diference when new season start...so ppl will know who are "good" clans and will be more careful with them.
I'm wonder who some ppl not make so big problem for this points when start 1st season...but make it now.
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DIEGIS
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted February 12, 2008 07:48 AM |
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I dont agree with with you Elit. "People will know who are the good clans..."
-cmon man...How can you be sure there's no one from the newbies who will beat you to death...are you sure there's nobody better then anybody?(I am sure u know it's not like that  )
Reset to zero is the best solution...of course you'll get your prises whatever those are....
Nobody will deny that some clans fought well for being the leaders. But new season means a new start for everyone.
When clans ocured this season, I wasnt pleased to accept the situation when some players had a bonus when starting a clan..but was Ves decision and some reason of that was clear to me (reactivated some players)...
TO THE NEW BEGINING FOR EVERYONE! ALL HEROES/CLANS TO GROUND ZERO!
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted February 14, 2008 12:50 PM |
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Its all Jinxer fail.
1.Restart clan season and not restart main chart is bad idea.
2.Change tradition from h3/h4 and maybe h2 is bad idea.
3. add later
4. look N3
Ves do what you think for best...you have my full support.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted February 14, 2008 10:11 PM |
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Elit has had to much to drink...... He doesnt even make sense anymore.. lol
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted February 15, 2008 06:17 PM |
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cant you see he talk in riddles striaght to the point like genuine russie
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted February 15, 2008 11:58 PM |
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well I've read all post about new clan and so on....
here is what I think......
lately there have been alot of new players.... and most of them wanna be active too...
and I've played a few (just to gain nothing.....)
so what about just start a new season not only Clan....
then everybody get the same chance to get games.... like it is now there is 2 maybe 3 "leagues" on for "newbies" one "Mid" league and one champion leauge....
it does'nt have to be that way.... why not just end the season in march and start all fresh.... (it's soon spring and all....) and the first season have taken to long alrdy....
just my cents...
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted February 16, 2008 06:56 AM |
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Hey here is an idea. Instead of restarting the current season, just start another season. Finish the current season while letting those new players start fresh. Now I know what the vets will be thinking. How does the reporting work, ect?
Simple, you play a game against any opponit. You report to the win loss to both old and new season. If the opponit has never played in the tournament, you only risk 1 point, but still get 3 if you win. For both seasons. If they have then for the old season you get or loose how ever many points would normally be won/lost. For the new season it will be 3 if you win, -1 if you loose regardless of opponit.
Again, I am only trying to make as many people satisfied as I can. This way, the old season was not 'for nothing', and new players can join as well. Loosing 1 point to a new player because they 'get lucky' would not hurt much, and this would intice older players to challenge the new players.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted February 16, 2008 07:17 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 07:19, 16 Feb 2008.
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Hey here is an idea. Instead of restarting the current season, just start another season.
I mean no disprect here.... So please dont take offense.... But i have seen a few people now make this comment... Must be a language barrier problem!!! Where is the WORLD did you guys keep getting the idea that anyone has ever even remotely mentioned Restarting the current season 1???? It has always been about starting a NEW season! Which means another one.. which means a season 2!!! Which means first season is done and over ... give everyone there awards and prizes.. and now lets begin again another season lol....
Lets put it another way....
If I have 1 apple and I add " another apple" then I have 2 apples... not the same apple over again.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted February 16, 2008 07:23 AM |
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Yes, what I meant was keep both. Finish out the current season (so the people who put so much in would not 'lose' all that work), but also start season two.
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