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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted February 17, 2008 01:19 AM |
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Whoa, when I said 'other units' I meant other haven units.  
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Drunk_Lord
Known Hero
very happy hero :)
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posted February 20, 2008 04:56 PM |
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@samiekl and Doomforge
First by "11 archies" I meant 11 Arch Angels. Second, if u get Last Stand fast and raise dead just tell me how the not-so-fast neutrals will kill u? U said: It requires high lvl. But u can begin with slower neutrals(zombies, squires, horned demons for example), advancing to faster ones by ur level. When the neutrals got morale it doesn't screw it(well, sometimes screws it anyway ). And with this "sucky"  tactic I killed 69 ancient treants(oh, and they got plenty of morale) on week 2 day 3 with LASZLO, no need for Vittorio's balista or something else.
Tell me again that it's so bad and I'll blast myself  
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 05:09 PM |
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What if you dont find zombies, demons, etc? Treants are slow and do pathetic damage. Try 80 wraiths on day2 week2.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 05:12 PM |
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What if you dont find zombies, demons, etc? Treants are slow and do pathetic damage. Try 80 wraiths on day2 week2.
You really think it's possible with Haven?
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 05:13 PM |
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nope, i dont think, im sure
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 05:14 PM |
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Quote:
Tell me again that it's so bad and I'll blast myself
No, its not bad, i never said that. Only that you can do more with heaven.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 05:21 PM |
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nope, i dont think, im sure
Let me guess? Vittorio + Triple Flaming Ballista + Precise Shot?
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 05:25 PM |
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I dont know my friend, i dont play heaven. I just know that people in toh do it. And i also know that they wont tell you how they do it because they worked hard on achieving this.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 07:19 PM |
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Edited by okrane at 19:28, 20 Feb 2008.
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Wraiths
As I said. It's the only way possible. Which makes me think that Haven is equivalent to Vittorio. Else I doubt one can achieve this.
And I'm not so sure that week2 day 2 could be always achieved because of the fact that you might not get what you want, i.e. Flaming Arrows.
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Drunk_Lord
Known Hero
very happy hero :)
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posted February 20, 2008 07:55 PM |
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I've owned about 40 wraiths with this but 80 is next to impossible  the good thing was that wraiths don't have morale  And about that u said it was bad... I was reffering to Doomforge, not u. Sorry
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 20, 2008 08:22 PM |
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If you don't then you have bad planning, you should be over 15 level by then. Of course luck always plays a role in how you deal with powerful creeps, lucky obstacles, arcane crystal or raise dead with few peasants and marksmen can do funny things.
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 08:43 PM |
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As I said, what bothers me is that other than Vittorio, it's practically impossible to achieve this. Or at least not that I know of...
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unixmage
Known Hero
Demon Slayer
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posted February 20, 2008 09:17 PM |
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This is driving me nuts. Stop referring to HAVEN as heaven!!!
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 09:18 PM |
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okrane
Famous Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 09:19 PM |
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted February 20, 2008 10:36 PM |
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Nah... This creeping isn't so good...
It isn't even comparable to dungeon's or stronghold's creeping...
While creeping with dungeon you loose lots of stalkers and sometimes, if you have really bad luck a bit of furies...
While creeping with orcs you loose lots of goblins and sometimes a lil bit of centaurs/warriors (1-3, when you have really bad luck, you can loose max 5-6).
If you try your creeping you can loose 14 griffins ( which are lvl 4 creatures!!! ). What's more it is really long...
I was using Dungeon playing-tag tactics unless I was able to upgrade my furies and after only three fights I got my own berserk full...
It was so long and annoying...
That's why I don't play any other faction now (than stranghold) they suit my ideology perfectly and I can creep with them begining in the first turn! That's sweet XD
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted February 21, 2008 03:33 AM |
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The point isn't whether you can do better than you had previously done but whether you can do better than other factions. If you can't then your speed is 'underpowered'.
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86wyp
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 21, 2008 04:13 AM |
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I didn't use this trick in creeping, but still I didn't have problems in creeping with haven (except druid and mage of course). With TOTE haven can actually creep much faster than before due to new creatures and abilities. So, neither haven nor its creeping ability is underpowered, though it's certainly not among the top.
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Lesij
Famous Hero
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posted February 21, 2008 07:33 AM |
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Right.
Don't you think that upgrading your arches to crossbowmen eliminates the problem?
I would use stronghold tactics:
Take your peasants and circle your crossbowmen with them (that'sonly 3 peasants and you have also two slots free). Take two more peasants to work as distracting bites or to replace the other two when they die...
I think that's quite good strategy O_O
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unixmage
Known Hero
Demon Slayer
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posted February 21, 2008 08:02 AM |
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Well that's the standard shooter defense formation. I use it on all shooter reliant strats: Haven(dougal), academy(havez), sylvan(all), necropolis(skelly archer builds).
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