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ebbafan
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posted March 05, 2009 05:02 PM |
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Edited by ebbafan at 17:05, 05 Mar 2009.
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the question is a little confusing so let me clarify:
let's say you are a warlock who can obliterate your opponent's phoenix stack(not summoned!, a neutral joiner stack of 5 phoenixes)
with a single destructive spell. however, much to your surprise, you actually had to cast a few more times than you anticipated to completely destroy the phoenixes!
why was this the case, and what was the maximum number of times you needed to cast? (assume your opponent is passive with regard to the phoenixes - he and/or his units didn't cast resurrection/raise dead/ or regeneration on the phoenixes, no counterspell or goblin shaman spell warp either)
good luck! 
edit: also assume no magic mirror, magic resistance/protection, arcane armor.
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Asheera
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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted March 05, 2009 08:53 PM |
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Magic Resistance (damage will be lowered but not to 0 thanks to Irresistible Magic), Guardian Angel, and of course, Rebirth.
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ebbafan
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posted March 05, 2009 10:12 PM |
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rebirth and guardian angel are part of the answer, so that's 3 casts, but its more than that! and assume no magic resistance!
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted March 05, 2009 10:22 PM |
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There are Elemental Gargoyles adjacent to the phoenixes and after you cast Chain Lighting they die and you find out that without their Aura of Vulerability you can't one shot kill the phoenixes 
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ebbafan
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Famous Hero
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posted March 05, 2009 10:34 PM |
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hey that was pretty creative lol, but not exactly what i was thinking of...
assume the phoenix stack is the only stack the enemy hero has
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Asheera
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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted March 05, 2009 10:37 PM |
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Hmm wonder why I haven't thought of Last Stand, but that wouldn't be the answer you're thinking about, I'm sure.
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ebbafan
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Famous Hero
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posted March 06, 2009 12:05 AM |
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dang asheera are you empathic or what?
last stand:
1) warlock kills phoenix with uber empowered implosion -
phoenix stack still alive w/ 1 unit
2) warlock kills unit - phoenix rebirth
3) warlock kills stack - last stand triggers again
4) warlock kills unit - guardian angel triggers
5) warlock kills stack - last stand triggers again
6) *whew* warlock runs out of mana  , jk lol
so 6 casts, talk about hard to kill! and i'm not sure if after guardian angel triggers, whether or not the phoenix rebirth ability triggers again???
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Asheera
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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted March 06, 2009 05:03 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 17:03, 06 Mar 2009.
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What spell increases its damage effect the most (percentage-wise) at expert level in some cases?
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Ednaguy
Supreme Hero
My water just broke! No, wait.
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posted March 06, 2009 05:34 PM |
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According to the effect at basic mastery or Spell power increasement?
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Asheera
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Elite Assassin
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posted March 06, 2009 09:11 PM |
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Ok let me rephrase: What spell has its effect increased the most at expert level from no mastery, with a spellpower of 10?
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phoenixreborn
Promising
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Unicorn
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posted March 06, 2009 09:13 PM |
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Puppet master?
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Asheera
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Elite Assassin
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posted March 06, 2009 09:23 PM |
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No, though it's pretty close as well.
Oh and btw, only in some cases it is that good (from no to expert), not all.
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Ednaguy
Supreme Hero
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posted March 06, 2009 10:20 PM |
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Then it would either be Earthquake (0-100 -> 100-400) or CotN/WoL (8+2*power -> 144+12*power)
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Asheera
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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted March 07, 2009 01:58 AM |
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I have to say, I forgot about CotN, and I can't believe it has such pathetic damage on no mastery 
I was thinking of Fire Trap (4xmines = 4xdamage) and Earthquake, but CotN apparently is a better answer.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted March 07, 2009 08:21 AM |
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Quote:
I was thinking of Fire Trap (4xmines = 4xdamage) and Earthquake, but CotN apparently is a better answer.
Firetrap with no mastery gives 4 mines... new to me...
I'm sure you only get 2 mines with no mastery...
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Warmonger
Promising
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fallen artist
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posted March 07, 2009 09:01 AM |
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Quote:
4xmines = 4xdamage
Quote:
I'm sure you only get 2 mines with no mastery
Tip: 8 = 4x2
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Ednaguy
Supreme Hero
My water just broke! No, wait.
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posted March 07, 2009 11:12 AM |
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Quote:
I have to say, I forgot about CotN, and I can't believe it has such pathetic damage on no mastery
But how often do you get it at no mastery?
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted March 07, 2009 12:25 PM |
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Tome o' Dark?
map script?
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Asheera
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Undefeatable Hero
Elite Assassin
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posted March 07, 2009 03:08 PM |
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Yes with Tome of Dark you can have every spell at every mastery. Note that in the first game the high level spells didn't have a no mastery version, since the devs thought they couldn't be learned at that level. This changed with the implementation of the Tomes though
I don't know who made CotN like this but the damage at no mastery is ridiculous.
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted March 07, 2009 04:01 PM |
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Well, in RL, I do some curses from time to time with no mastery and I can hereby confirm that the damage is ridiculously low.
Doesn't help at all when my teachers use MotW on my Titan homeworks and cast Phantoms on them. At least in-game it would have some effect clearing up those phantoms
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