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American Suicide
American Suicide
Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare the beejeebers out of you!
We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant.
There was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, 'Mexifornia,' explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America.
The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States.
He said, 'If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.''
'Here is how they do it,' Lamm said: 'First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country.
History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bicultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims.'
Lamm went on: 'Second, to destroy America ,
Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.
'Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec ' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, 'I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.' My fav..
'Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.'
'My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority placation.'
'My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedents. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. 'E. Pluribus Unum' -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will 'Balkanize' America as surely as Kosovo.'
'Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culture, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.'
In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, 'Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.'
Mexifornia, he is so on there with that title.
I watched this unfold and there was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness.
Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America. Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984'. In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength.'
Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped soon, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.
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posted June 10, 2008 07:41 PM |
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Complete trash.
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posted June 10, 2008 07:53 PM |
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Most of these are very speculative........
Lets have a look:
*"Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity'"............
you know....... FGM is limited to a few places, actually the muslim equal to the bible bans it. I does happen, i will not even attempt to deny it happens....... simply because it happens.......
*"The American Dream".............
I suppose you have a clue about what it is all about? Its all about everybody is free to be able to earn their place in society. A poor kid being able to become stincing rich. So long trade exists, there won't really be a problem. So long nobles don't overexists it will never be a problem. So long education exists, there won't be a problem.
I think the Communists did get a great solution, however it was executed wrongly.
Note: As my english teacher said "You should be allowed to dig your own grave"
*"Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences."
Actually, this is one of the worlds greatest goals. I keep hearing about people spreading their culture, their inheritage. Look at "apartheid" its all about 1 side supressing another along with trying to kill their culture.
The "Victimology" is however pretty correct, once a certain % of the population that is supressed knows it, there will be a likely civial war against the goverment and the overpowered people owning coperations.
In the end, i find some of this overrated. Some of this would actually improve a ignorant country like US. However some of this would have partly bad effects that will disappere in the long run.
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posted June 10, 2008 07:54 PM |
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While much of this is extreme, much of it makes sense, and I say this as an immigrant.
There can, however, be a third way.
First, do not make the US billingual or monolingual or anything. It works fine the way it is.
Second, neither multiculturalism nor uniculturalism should be encouraged.
Third, neither diversity nor unity should be emphasized. Individualism should be. The individual should act in the way that he or she wants to, not conform to any culture that he or she doesn't want to conform to.
Fourth, we should improve education in all areas.
Fifth, I would completely ignore race in all cases. I would remove affirmative action, and, indeed, any law that mentions race in any way.
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posted June 10, 2008 08:22 PM |
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The guy is right about Belgium, though... You could read Lexxan's thread about it.
My teacher once said this about America: A fractioned country that will disband in several(4-7) smaller states in abpout 50 years.
How likely does this sound?
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posted June 10, 2008 08:28 PM |
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I guess it will not take more than 20 years to split Belgium.
I'm not convinced about the USA however. How can a country that is so full of patriots be ripped apart by separatism ? I think it's pointless and actually downright stupid.
But let's face the facts: there will come a time when the USA will cease to exist; But don't worry too much about is; live you lives and keep hoping for a better future. No one needs to/can do more about it.
Just face it, Charlie Brown.
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posted June 10, 2008 08:51 PM |
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First, do not make the US billingual or monolingual or anything. It works fine the way it is.
While I feel that learning new languages is very enlightening and can benefit all who do to open new doors, what I can’t agree with is making it mandatory. Which when you live somewhere like Mexifornia you almost have to learn Spanish just to buy a slurpe at 7/11. The schools are starting to make our children conform to this bilingual state of mind. Employers are throwing our resumes based on the fact that you can’t speak three languages. The fact is I cannot imagine going to another country and acting pompous about their people having to conform to my language. I would go over with the full understanding that either I learn the language or I suffer the consequences and limit myself.
We are being forced in our colleges to learn other languages to get degrees because of immigration. For instance, in order to get my LSW (Licensed Social Work) degree I have to learn three languages. When I asked my advisor why she said because you will be dealing with more people that can’t speak English than can. I would have to learn to communicate half way with a mother whose child I might be getting ready to take away. Learn how to give government food stamps to an illegal or legal immigrant in another language and hope our communication is up to par enough that I don’t lose my job.
Point is we are slowly being forced to become bilingual, against the free will that Americans hold true.
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individual should act in the way that he or she wants to, not conform to any culture that he or she doesn't want to conform to.
This would be great but again we are being forced to conform, we wear a certain color it offends this nationality because where they are from green means to murder. Or in another country red is a sexual color, or a green hat when worn by a man means that his wife is cheating on him in another country.
Now we as Americans should be respectful enough to do research on these things, not only for our personal safety when visiting the globe but just out of respect for other cultures. However a small example of the crap that immigrants have brought here to cause issue where there should be none, where as MV states, we should not have to conform to other cultures, are the following:
Was reading this on another forum.
“On the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, students at one high school were not allowed to wear clothes with an American Flag.
Under a new school rule, students at Hobbton High School are not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.
The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries. Children from other countries were offened by the American flag being displayed so much and they all wanted the school to get flags bearing each of their flags colors. So the parents came together and got this new rule passed.
Gayle Langston said her daughter, Jessica, was told to remove her stars and stripes t-shirt.
“Today she wanted to wear her shirt, and I had to tell her no,” said Langston. “She didn’t like it at all because I knew it would get her in trouble. Of all days, 9/11, she could not wear her American Flag shirt.”
The superintendent of schools in Sampson County calls the situation unfortunate, but says educators didn’t want to be forced to pick and choose which flags should be permissible.””
So as Gootch would state, this is crap, or in my own words ******* crap.
So again it would be great to just be more like a tossed salad and everyone that comes here conform to our way of life as far as our public schools, public displays of affection, or the color flag they wear in public. We leave them be and they don’t go around trying to force their culture in our face. It should be a choice to join in their reindeer games, not a law or a norm.
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posted June 10, 2008 09:03 PM |
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*cough* they banned them all together rigth? *cough* So where is the fire? If they had just banned the American flag i would have agree'd it was not that wise, but since ALL of the flags was banned i don't give a dam.
You can compare it to banning all items of religion at school, if they was to just ban 1 kind it would be discrimination. However since it are ALL the item's, where is the dam fire?
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posted June 10, 2008 09:05 PM |
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It's still a limitation of our most fundamental right (maybe one exception or two): freedom of speech. As long as my words harm noone, I should be able to say whatever i want.
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posted June 10, 2008 09:09 PM |
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It's still a limitation of our most fundamental right (maybe one exception or two): freedom of speech. As long as my words harm noone, I should be able to say whatever i want.
True, but is harm equal to offend? I think a multinational country with the rigth laws is bound to NOT fail. I think with the improper laws allowing discrimination and stuff will be BOUND TO FAIL.
So anyway, this tread fails 
However some of it are bound to work.
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posted June 10, 2008 09:19 PM |
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It's still a limitation of our most fundamental right (maybe one exception or two): freedom of speech. As long as my words harm noone, I should be able to say whatever i want.
True, but is harm equal to offend?
Of course it is. If I (technically speaking) write that all Norwegians do some stuff with mooses (not to use the f-word), I should be penalized, because it offends the Norwegians (You'll never see me write something like that ever again). Why do you think that Faith-guy got banned? He offended the Israeli members (and wished them to some kind of premature death).
Yes, I agree with Dagoth, Freedom of Speech is a must in the democratic western society, but here (in Belgium) we kinda miss it. it goes without saying that you're not allowed to insult/offend/whatever someone. It's just immoral.
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posted June 10, 2008 09:36 PM |
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Really, so if I banned all Mexicans or Japanese from a store, since I' am banning all of them so does that make me racist? 
Point is your fifteen you probably give two ***** about what is even being said here. This is a long term problem and will affect my children’s lives and already has. There has been good along with immigration but the point is everything in moderation…
They should have been allowed to wear the flag that supported their country or belief. But because being politically correct has taken over our country to a sick degree we know walk on the very egg shells that immigrants no we have to adhere to or they will drag us into court and sue our *****. Thus the reason why employers have to hire so many of this race and that race. They want to stop discrimination but at the same time are forced to shove us to the back of the line and discriminate against us.
1984 is around the corner honey, we are in the same state that Rome was in just before it fell.A service based industry with little export, declining moral and family values; society's focus is sex, violence, and fame. (give them circus and wine and they will care for nothing else). Monetary system having little substance and military spread thin. Obama has his work cut out for him for the next four years...
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posted June 10, 2008 09:37 PM |
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Really, so if I banned all Mexicans or Japanese from a store, since I' am banning all of them so does that make me racist?
It depends. If you banned them because of their nationalty only, it's (strictly speaking) a rascist motive
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posted June 10, 2008 09:41 PM |
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You look wrongly at it..
Being bilingoual is good,i think educating childern to it is great,learning only english at school is bad,couse its the only country doing so. HOWEVER posting money,signs and etc in anything but english..last i heard english was american prime lengauge.
in israel its differnt
we have 5 main cultures.
The israely,the hebrew lenguage,a primitive and simple lenguage.
Everything is written first in hebrew. everyone first speak hebrew
The Russian jews: the israely not allways view them as jews,but sometimes as christians,becouse 40% of russian jew community is not jew at all by israel laws. Reason: in israel is determined by mother,in russia,by father.
some shops also have signs in russian in addition.
Arabic christians and arabic muslims(yes there is such thing as arabic chsitians).
those often descriminate each other. but both can be peacefull. after every sign in hebrew there is an arabic translation.
warning on ciggerts is written in arabic and in hebrew.
The Eithiupian jews. theese are sometimes being descriminated by the russians but there lenguage is only heard between themselfs yet
i've never seen any sign in there lenguages,so..
and each sign also has in english inscription,english slogans are well used. not to mention the word 'okay' into every lenguage.
arabs talk hebrew to people that are not arabic,and etc,among themselfs minority speak with there own lenguage,but to others,hebrew.
i think this is over exerdattued,mexifornia...ha..true the victomise cults part is correct,he is right there,meny minoritys blaime mejority for lack of success,and vice versa,but there is another solution for it.
encourge people of differnt culutres to higher educaition for more work in elite ranks of the country,to have hispenic,black,jewish,arabic yet all american person.
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posted June 10, 2008 09:48 PM |
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Again I think that opening yourself to learning is good but not be forced in this case. Not to be made the norm, this only encourages those that are too lazy to learn our language to stay ignorant and wait for us to conform to them. They came here and therefore they need to conform, not us. Teaching children while they are little sponges another language is great and will help them later in life. Again though this is becoming something they have to learn because we have opened the flood gates up for this “melting” pot which is slowly melting into a pot of ****.
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posted June 10, 2008 10:04 PM |
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While I feel that learning new languages is very enlightening and can benefit all who do to open new doors, what I can’t agree with is making it mandatory.
I agree.
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We are being forced in our colleges to learn other languages to get degrees because of immigration.
Are you sure that it's not to communicate to people who are in other countries?
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This would be great but again we are being forced to conform, we wear a certain color it offends this nationality because where they are from green means to murder.
Then instead of teaching multiculturalism, schools should be teaching individualism (which is different from non-conformism, incidentally).
As for the flag, that whole thing is stupid. I wouldn't wear a shirt with the flag of any country.
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Really, so if I banned all Mexicans or Japanese from a store, since I' am banning all of them so does that make me racist?
That's illegal, but shouldn't be, IMO.
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Sixth, again, stress individualism above diversity or unity. Encourage people to put loyalties to themselves and the groups that they joined voluntarily above others, and discourage nationalism or ethnic identification.
And lastly, change the whole immigration system. And it doesn't mean "amnesty". First, we shouldn't have any walls, because that's expensive and inefficient. We should have a guest worker program that's easy to get into, but so they wouldn't settle here and have children. And we should ease immigration for skilled immigrants, and decrease unskilled immigration.
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posted June 10, 2008 10:11 PM |
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Are you sure that it's not to communicate to people who are in other countries?
yes I' am sure that the reasons are what I stated.
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posted June 10, 2008 11:00 PM |
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On the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, students at one high school were not allowed to wear clothes with an American Flag.
Under a new school rule, students at Hobbton High School are not allowed to wear items with flags, from any country, including the United States.
The new rule stems from a controversy over students wearing shirts bearing flags of other countries. Children from other countries were offened by the American flag being displayed so much and they all wanted the school to get flags bearing each of their flags colors. So the parents came together and got this new rule passed.
Gayle Langston said her daughter, Jessica, was told to remove her stars and stripes t-shirt.
WTF?
If I would ever been not allowed to display my allegaince to my country IN MY COUNTRY, I would have said that my country has gone mad. I would do (almost) everything to remove the regulation, and ensure those who enforced it will never make that thing again.
Theory (on multi-national/cultural countries)
I think such countries can exist, but it is hard to accomplish.
In my opinion it can be done if all participating nations were consenting for such an enterprise, i.e. no one was unwilling to participate and no one was unwilling of participation of any other. However, once joined, exiting shpuld not be easy, if possible at all.
Another crucial thing is common identity. Such a country should always appear as a single entity to outsiders and insiders, f.eg. it should stress that it's country D, not united nations A, B and C, even to it's own citizens.
In my last point I have to concord with the guy who spoke how to 'destroy US'. I think in order for such state to function, the unity of it's peoples must overcome their differences, and unity of the whole must be stressed before diversity. This does not require erasing diversities, as far as my judgement is concerned. Note that this does not require a dominant culture to exist, just a level of common allegiances.
Just a theory, though. Perhaps if I searched diligently enough I could find some exaples backing it. Perhaps future will bring some.
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posted June 10, 2008 11:23 PM |
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How about this one :
How to destroy America : Find a group to scapegoat and demonize, blame all problems on them.
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posted June 11, 2008 01:13 AM |
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Eh.....
All over the place on this one.....Might as well make this the new 'Attack Iraq' thread.
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