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posted June 13, 2008 03:27 PM |
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Why do people care about gay marriage?
It's not like it's their business.
Adoption however shouldn't be allowed for gay couples. Simply because we don't know how it would effect kid.
If someone can prove it doesn't matter if the kid is raised by a gay couple or a mixed couple then by all means legalize it but I think it has to effect the kid in some way so, no go for gay adoption.
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posted June 13, 2008 03:59 PM |
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Norway got a new law!
And I don't like it. Why make a law just for some scraps of paper and some rings?
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posted June 13, 2008 04:04 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 16:20, 13 Jun 2008.
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I used to be of the same opinion as JoonasTo. Except that all the studies seem to indicate no difference between a heterosexual couple raising a children and a homosexual couple. Did you know that as of 2005, an estimated 270,313 children in the United States live in households headed by same-sex couples?
Just as an example The American Psychological Association states in its Resolution on Sexual Orientation, Parents, and Children (adopted July 2004):
there is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children"; and "research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish."
The strongest conclusion that can be drawn from the empirical literature is that the vast majority of studies show that children living with two mothers and children living with a mother and father have the same levels of social competence. A few studies suggest that children with two lesbian mothers may have marginally better social competence than children in traditional nuclear families, even fewer studies show the opposite, and most studies fail to find any differences. The very limited body of research on children with two gay fathers supports this same conclusion.
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posted June 13, 2008 04:20 PM |
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First let me be clear, what I am about to say is not because of gays, it could be the other way around. I am about to say something about 'articles' concerning "the research shows" or similar media stuff that is unreliable. In policymaking circles, the language of "right" and "wrong" has been displaced by the phrase: "The research shows...". Or when an article beings with 'The science has shown' or similar stuff. This new term - "The science" - is a deeply moralized and politicized category. Today, those who claim to wield the authority of "The science" are really demanding unquestioning submission. But science is not about morals, science can only explain 'how', not 'why' one should do something (or for that matter exposed to a certain mental activity). It seems that science has been twisted now to act on political levels.
Again please note I am not talking about gays, it could be the other way around.
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posted June 13, 2008 04:25 PM |
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Hmm. Can I get a clarification, I am not sure I understand. Should the decisions be based on what then exactly? I am not sure I am reading you correctly, but you seem to feel that the laws should be what our morals tell us. But I am interested what your morals tell you about this issue, and more importantly, where did this moral of yours originate from?
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posted June 13, 2008 04:27 PM |
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I'm not saying we should act on my morals. I'm saying that such articles are no longer the 'good-old reliable' sources.
sorry for confusion.
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posted June 13, 2008 05:36 PM |
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<*sighs*>
The reason why people dislike gay people is because they were neglected by society for a long time. I have seen on a documantairy that Gays/Lesbians (I'll refer to them as “Holebi’s” from now on) have some kind of disturbed brain activity, which increases or decreases the usage of one of the brainhubs. Women usually don't use that part of the brain often, while men often do. This is switched with Holebi's : It works a lot more with Lesbians, and a lot less with gays( with Bi people, that part of the brain works only half as it normally does, exactly inbetween Male and Female numbers). I don't remember what that specific part of the brain does, but it does prove that Homosexuality is not a choice, nor a sin. It's just an effect caused by a confused brain. Does that make Holibi's retarded or less than us ? It doesn't, and it proves that Holibi's aren't sinners, unnatural and that kind of stuff. They only have a brain that fuctions different than ours, but to call them inferior to us for that... it complete nonsense.
Anyway, denying thing like mariage and equality to people who "don't follow the pattern of society" is complete injustice. What makes them
unworthy to marry, form a family and so on ? What does ? Nothing, IMO, makes them unworthy for it. It's society, not holebi's who should change. It's the entire dogmatic idea that's retared, why should someone who fancies the same sex be forbidden to love or care ?
I say we should legalise mariages (as it already is legalised in Belgium)
I'm sure about adoption however... I have no idea whether an education from a homosexual differs so much from that of a heterosexual... Normally it shouldn't and it would make the child very tolerant towards holebi's. It could be thought, like TNT said, that it turns out to be a holebi itself. I don't know, and you all can't tell the real truth, as we simply don't know it.
We can only know this if we legalise it and then see what happens, but should children be the testingmice of Society ? I don't think so but how could we tell otherwise ?
I wouldn't legalise adoption (yet).
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posted June 13, 2008 06:13 PM |
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I have never understood what people have against gays.
Let them be gays if they want too, it doesnt hurt you and besides, it would be boring if everybody was exactly the same in the world.
People do gay jokes in school (like "you are gay!!!") but i think its mostly for fun, no one really has anything against it (except 1 or 2 maybe).
I support Norway for this. My neighbour (spelling...) is very smart 
Now i hope Finland can become a nice and good country that will accept foreigners soon.
Gay adoption should not be allowed yet... for the childs own best. Gays are not that much accepted so the child would maybe just suffer in school (it happens in some schools to some people).
But soon in the future when it has become more accepted i think they could allow it.
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posted June 13, 2008 06:21 PM |
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I have never understood what people have against gays.
Noone here has anything against gays, I don't care, they could love each other till the point that they could not sit anymore I can't care less.
But what bothers me is the education and example that they will give the kids that they adopt, even if the kid turns out to be straight he might consider being gay just because his parents are like that and that thought is very disturbing.
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posted June 13, 2008 07:15 PM |
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Why? It thins out the competition a bit.
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posted June 13, 2008 07:28 PM |
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posted June 13, 2008 07:48 PM |
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A peanut!
Omega, that was brilliant. 
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posted June 14, 2008 09:53 AM |
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There isn't anything wrong with Gay people at all. If the gay couple wants to adopt a kid and the kid agrees then let them. I don't see anything wrong with it. It is the kids decision that matters in the end so if he says no then the answer is no.
I don't get it why people have to be so mean towards gay people. Why is it that men don't have a problem with Lesbians together but when it comes to men oh nooo that's disgusting? There shouldn't be anything bad about it.
People should learn to accept people for who they are. Inside. Not what sexual orientation they are. It is the person inside that counts. I guess people just don't see it the same way I do. I am not a homosexual, but I think that everyone should be given a chance and people should be listened to, not heard.
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posted June 14, 2008 10:00 AM |
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Kids with two dads = bashed
Just the way it is
(Kids with two moms = most popular kids in school  )
oh and TNT
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they could love each other till the point that they could not sit anymore
ahahah lol
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posted June 14, 2008 11:12 AM |
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Let me explain why Lesbians are generally more accepted then gays. ((Personally I don't think either should be any better or worse)).
One, it seems to be a predominate fantasy for guys. They don't seem to grasp the fact that if the ladies are truely lesbian, they are not going to get to watch or participate. Sorry guys. The 'lesbians' you see on pornos are generally bi, or straight acting lesbian, or just in it for the money. Like most people you see in pornos.
Anyhow. Another reason is affection ammoung females is more accepted then affection ammoung males. Again, it shouldn't be, but the macho man image has been burned into our psyche for quite a long time.
By no means should people think that lesbians have it easy. Trust me on that one .
As for research, and such, there is plenty. Of course statistics can generally be made to say anything. Read the research yourself and make up your own mind, but generally it is suggested that lesbian and gay couple's children turn out more wellballenced then straight kids children. More open minded, less judgemental, and suprisingly higher percentage of being 'straight'. Go figure.
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posted June 14, 2008 11:47 AM |
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There isn't anything wrong with Gay people at all. If the gay couple wants to adopt a kid and the kid agrees then let them. I don't see anything wrong with it. It is the kids decision that matters in the end so if he says no then the answer is no.
I don't know, depends how 'mature' the kid is. Because that way, most 'little' kids would probably accept to be in a 'pedophile' family, just to see how it's like (they can't think that well at that stage and take responsibility).
Let me state why I *think* gays or lesbians or single-parent families are worse for the kid than a normal family. Sure, it also depends on the kid, some kids can get through a single-parent family as well as others do with two parents. But that does not mean it is just as easy, remember. I think that women usually have different 'feelings' and act different than men. This does not mean that they are better or worse, only different. Because of this, I think it's better to have a family where both genders are present, since experience is very important at that age (for the kid) and they should be comforted both from a woman's and a man's perspective. Obviously, bad parents exist, and will always exist. But I am talking in general, there's no denying that 'corruptions' will arise, even in gay families.
just my 2 cents
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posted June 14, 2008 12:11 PM |
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Well I agree with you 100% that a normal family is better. But I do think it would be alright if a gay couple were to raise a kid. I mean, if the gay couple had female friends (pretty sure they would), then they can perhaps teach the kid some things. I dunno. 
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posted June 14, 2008 12:28 PM |
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http://www.rossde.com/editorials/childrenofgays.html
Ok, first statistics can be made to say about anything, and more research needs to be done. I'll be the first to admit. However, instead of telling you what to believe, I am just going to include links. You can read them and make up your own mind. I am trying hard to avoid any biased sources, but sometimes it is hard to tell.
http://www.apa.org/psyclaw/delongbrief.html
So far very little on the subject (except in highly religious or such).
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posted June 14, 2008 12:39 PM |
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Nice articles. I especially like the first article. I find what they are saying is the truth and I do agree with it.
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posted June 14, 2008 12:51 PM |
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Just remember I don't know how biased the research is, how limited it was, or anything like that. Most 'trial' tests similar to this can have many different outcomes depending on who runs them.
For instance, there have been cases that the FDA has approved medicines because of trials, but further trials have proven that medicine unsafe. So..take it with a grain of salt and do your own research as well.
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