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posted June 14, 2008 07:05 PM |
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I myself have no problems with gay couples as long as they don't adopt children. That's because, as someone else said, two men are not the same thing as a man and a woman to a child's education. A man, even despite his best efforts, will never be able to replace a mother for a child. Two men or one, there's no difference for growing a child, so a gay family is like a family with only a father, the mother being dead.
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posted June 14, 2008 08:46 PM |
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I myself have no problems with gay couples as long as they don't adopt children. That's because, as someone else said, two men are not the same thing as a man and a woman to a child's education. A man, even despite his best efforts, will never be able to replace a mother for a child. Two men or one, there's no difference for growing a child, so a gay family is like a family with only a father, the mother being dead.
So what you are saying is that singleparent fathers can't or should not raise children?
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posted June 14, 2008 08:51 PM |
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Well yes, but that is because a tragedy happened, and not because two gay people want to adopt a child.
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posted June 14, 2008 11:54 PM |
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Well, I know that this isn't very helpful to the discussion, but my sister and her lifepartner are raising two children and are doing a better job than my mother is doing now. If you're talking about raising a child, don't think that being different makes you less adequate. raising children is done wrong in many wrong ways. I know at least three of my friends who have father/mother issues so, if you wanna change the way children are raised, start raising the soon-to-be parents(whether they are straight or gay). 'Cus I don't think it's the parents' right to mess up their child anymore.
I've also grown up without a father. If I'm missing anything, tell me . I'm pretty OK with most things (i mean that i'm not insane or ****** up). I admit that I'm very shy at almost a critical point, but everyone else has flaws, so I'm entitled to this one.
As long as this doesn't happen, it would be pretty hypocrit to let only straight people raise children. 'Cuz what I'm hearing is: straight couple= better education any day of the week. So when I'm a drug addict and my girlfriend a serial killer, "my child will at least have had mum and dad instead of that awkward gay couple."
Well, I've spoken and now, I'm going back to my coffin.
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posted June 15, 2008 03:59 AM |
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Well I agree with you 100% that a normal family is better. But I do think it would be alright if a gay couple were to raise a kid. I mean, if the gay couple had female friends (pretty sure they would), then they can perhaps teach the kid some things. I dunno. 
They could be the best parents in the world and raise the perfect child... but he'd still be bashed
The child's self esteem would still be shattered .
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posted June 15, 2008 06:52 AM |
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So were bi-racial couples kids for a long time. People used that arguement then also. People can be picked on for a number of things. On the brightside, those that are will raise more tolerant children, who will raise even more tolerant children. Maybe on day, people will look past such things as race, sexual orientation, etc. Maybe.
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posted June 15, 2008 11:12 PM |
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Heck......... parenting is all about effort and the mental state of the parents........ It is like no other big factors, and i cannot a single reasearch proving a opposite gender couple would raise childeren in a better way!
Rolemodels? I think we are going over to the sterotype section soon. In a few generations gender neutralety may exist, the only remains would be some titles that implies a certain gender in some langues.
PS:
Evolution of hatred!
1. tribes hated tribes
2. settlements hated settlements
3. city's and nearby area hated other cities
4. areas hated other areas
5. nations hated nations
6. people started to hate others based on skincolor
7. people started hating others for not being "opposite-gender love".
I win this treadzor
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posted June 15, 2008 11:49 PM |
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I feel sorry for you, poor people from Norway. This is the price of liberalism and it's democracy, people are allowed to do stupid and immoral things such as this even trough it's a way leading straight down to hell.
That's why freedom must be restricted. Ordinary people are to stupid to handle the freedom given to them by the liberal capitalist democracies and need someone to tell them what to do, someone to guide them to heaven. The entire system is based on evil men and false prophets such as capitalists and liberal politicians fooling the stupid majority. It must be stopped!
You Norwegians should coup your government and put an end to this madness. Like the catholic hero general Franco did.
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posted June 15, 2008 11:51 PM |
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HEIL KOMMANDANT SCARLET! I've amassed the troops they're ready for you call mein führer.
Just kidding, but please give a good opinion with some grounds.
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posted June 15, 2008 11:56 PM |
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Ser gut!
Sorry, English is not my native language, and I can't express myself very well.
Anyway I find having an election of politicians as stupid as having the industry-workers voting for how a peasant should seed his fields. It simply doesn't work.
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posted June 16, 2008 12:25 AM |
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What has capitalism got to do with evil ? Evil depends on the people, evil people will spoil every single system. However that's offtopic.
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posted June 16, 2008 10:56 AM |
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However that's offtopic.
Yeah, let's not get off topic.
However, you Norwegians really got to coup your democratic government if you want change or those pesky liberals will legalize pedophilia soon as their next step in creating an immoral and chaotic society. And that's not going to be fun
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posted June 16, 2008 11:08 AM |
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So were bi-racial couples kids for a long time. People used that arguement then also. People can be picked on for a number of things. On the brightside, those that are will raise more tolerant children, who will raise even more tolerant children. Maybe on day, people will look past such things as race, sexual orientation, etc. Maybe.
Maybe.
I wouldn't wish it upon any kid though, to go through school with two dads.
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posted June 16, 2008 11:12 AM |
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HEIL KOMMANDANT SCARLET! I've amassed the troops they're ready for you call mein führer.
LOL awesome . But seriously just ignore him.... GENOSSE!
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So were bi-racial couples kids for a long time. People used that arguement then also. People can be picked on for a number of things. On the brightside, those that are will raise more tolerant children, who will raise even more tolerant children. Maybe on day, people will look past such things as race, sexual orientation, etc. Maybe.
Ehm... come again? Who says that kids from homosexual families will be raised to be more tolerant...? Just because you have two dads/moms will definetly not mean that you will be more tolerant. Perhaps they'll see it as a normal thing to have two dads/moms (or perhaps they'll say their experience sucked and will be against it? But that's not the question) but that doesn't mean that they'll instantly be more tolerant of other things... or were you only refering to the dad-dad / mom-mom issue?
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posted June 16, 2008 11:19 AM |
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So were bi-racial couples kids for a long time. People used that arguement then also. People can be picked on for a number of things. On the brightside, those that are will raise more tolerant children, who will raise even more tolerant children. Maybe on day, people will look past such things as race, sexual orientation, etc. Maybe.
Maybe.
I wouldn't wish it upon any kid though, to go through school with two dads.
You do not know what it is like to grow as an orphan.
If you think bullying at school is bad, consider the emotional disabilities of living a life of a child unwanted; perhaps accompanied with mental or developmental disabilities. There are so many abandoned children. All need the love of a permanent family.
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posted June 16, 2008 11:32 AM |
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Think about it. Gay/Lesbian couples for a long time have been on the receiving end of intolerance. So it is very unlikely they would wish that on others, and teach their children to be more tolerant of other peoples way. Sure, there will probably be exceptions, there always are.
Personally I don't think any certain type of people make better parents. My father is a bit racist, a bit homophobic, and a bit of a sexist. None of my brothers and sisters are murderers, or ever been arrested. They are not drug dealers, prostitutes, or such. They are fairly stable mentally and often are praised by how polite they are. Just goes to prove anybody can be a good parent.
However, not being able to raise children? Hmm, wonder who else we could eliminate from being able to raise children because the children might be traumatized.
The rich..because they might go broke and the poor children would not know what to do. Poor dears would be traumatized.
The poor. However will they survive, people will pick on them for being poor (believe me, it happens).
You could elminate just about anybody for any reason. Got a secret for you, there is no such thing as 'normal'. Everybody is different in some way or another.
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posted June 16, 2008 10:12 PM |
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Somehow saying it should not be allowed because the child will be picked upon seems a poor excuse for me to say that in fact, we don't like it. Like Mytical very well pointed out, people are picked upon for just about anything - some are thick, others are thin, some are tall, some have red hair, some wear glasses, some have irregular teeth - you name it. Thinking that kids will be subject to particular scorn because they have same-sex parents is a simple reflection of the homofobia that still reigns in even western countries that pride themselves as being tolerant on these issues. We may tolerate them, but we certainly don't like them, do we? And why is it that homosexuality is something that needs to be approved by the heterosexuals anyway, it's not like it's their concern.
As for whether gays make better or worse parents than anybody else, Minion pretty much said it all. There can be good or bad gay parents, just like there are good and bad straight parents - and God knows there are a lot of bad straight parents (and thankfully, I was not blessed with any, but I certainly know they are out there). Once again, the simple assumption that "the straight society" has the right to determine what "the gays" has rights to do and not to do illustrates the hierachy that still reigns in our society: Gays are less worthy than straights. I challenge you to prove this statement wrong, if any of you want to.
Just consider the following notions, all of which would be deamed ridiculous in (most) modern societies: Red haired people may not have children, because they child would be picked upon if it was also redhaired. Or fat people ... or shortsighted people ... or black people. Or better yet: Red haired people (or fat people, etc.) may not have children, because there is a higher risk that the child will turn out red haired. Oh oh, and it's not that we have anything against red haired people, but we certainly wouldn't want that, would we? I mean, before we know, we might have a whole world swarmed with red-haired people, uh uh, and what about all the rest of us normal once, what would we have to do then?
Sometimes, the whole NIMBY bussiness discusts me. We have a lot of people cleaning their hands these days, expressing how tolerant they are (and not homofobic, or whatever the issue is) - but somehow, being homofobic is not a reflection of what you call yourself, but which oppinions you have. People should contemplate on that.
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posted June 16, 2008 10:28 PM |
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NIMBY?
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posted June 16, 2008 10:35 PM |
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NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard.
Like, "I think gay people are ok, but I certainly wouldn't want my son to turn out gay." You probably get the image.
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posted June 17, 2008 06:13 AM |
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If mods could get red stars, Alc would deserve 4 for that one post.
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