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DagothGares
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posted June 16, 2008 03:36 PM |
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It's the true that democracy is the worst polacy in existance...
Except for all the others who have already been tried, off course.
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mvassilev
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posted June 16, 2008 04:43 PM |
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we shouldn't and it's why I think democracy is bad
Any government that is not limited in what it can do is bad. But democracy is better than any other form of government.
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Mulroney
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posted June 16, 2008 11:11 PM |
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This topic if we DIDN'T live in a democratic society:
-I sure love the government.
-Me too, they are swell.
-Let's go stand in line for bread.
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Moonlith
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posted June 18, 2008 10:27 PM |
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Moonlith I can't believe you think that way. Church sees homosexuality as a sin. Why is saying that not an option... Are you in favour of a totalitarian system?
However, religions should be removed far from any connection to the state, so they cannot affect legistlation with their discriminatory preachings.
And you CAN believe people think homosexuality is a sin?
Saying homosexuality is a sin is NOT an opinion, it's a lame quote of one of the biggest pieces of nonsense ever thought up by retarded men and believed by even more retarded men.
Sure, in essence, it is deemed an 'opnion', although it is based on NOTHING and lacks any form of possible legimate backup.
Freedom of Speech implies you have a responsibility to pay for the things you say. I find spewing opinions based on prejudice and ignorance, and using a crappy old book to back up your statements NOT PROVEN to contain truth, to be highly irresponsible.
Overall I'm against cencoring, but what really worries me is the fact people actually BELIEVE it - proven by the fact that rediculous quote still lingers in people's minds after 2000 years.
I'm starting to believe freedom of speech is NOT a good thing in a world where people do NOT grow up free and liberal minded, but lots of people grow up indoctrinated with religious dogma.
I should wonder about that.
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Minion
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posted June 18, 2008 10:36 PM |
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Moonlith I can't believe you think that way. Church sees homosexuality as a sin. Why is saying that not an option... Are you in favour of a totalitarian system?
However, religions should be removed far from any connection to the state, so they cannot affect legistlation with their discriminatory preachings.
And you CAN believe people think homosexuality is a sin?
Saying homosexuality is a sin is NOT an opinion, it's a lame quote of one of the biggest pieces of nonsense ever thought up by retarded men and believed by even more retarded men.
Sure, in essence, it is deemed an 'opnion', although it is based on NOTHING and lacks any form of possible legimate backup.
Freedom of Speech implies you have a responsibility to pay for the things you say. I find spewing opinions based on prejudice and ignorance, and using a crappy old book to back up your statements NOT PROVEN to contain truth, to be highly irresponsible.
Overall I'm against cencoring, but what really worries me is the fact people actually BELIEVE it - proven by the fact that rediculous quote still lingers in people's minds after 2000 years.
I'm starting to believe freedom of speech is NOT a good thing in a world where people do NOT grow up free and liberal minded, but lots of people grow up indoctrinated with religious dogma.
I should wonder about that.
I have always seen sin as a predominantly judeo-christian consept and it affects my life in no way. That I would do something against God is such a foreign thought for me, as is a personal God in the first place. I cannot sin, so to speak, if someone thinks I do - I really don't care.  I understand that gays that are religious can be upset. Well, They should find a better religion 
I am gay by the way.
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DagothGares
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posted June 18, 2008 10:37 PM |
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If we don't get to practice our rights, we'll never become responsible in utilising our rights. Well... Since most ppl wipe their *** with history, I doubt we'll ever learn, but it's mankind's every right to mess up their future and the future of it's neighbour.
It's harsh, but it's the truth. Btw, i think that gay ppl are protected by the fundamental rights, chartered by the UN... Or am I just being stoned again? Well, maybe I should buy some febreze for this coffin.
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del_diablo
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posted June 19, 2008 12:01 AM |
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The article im my eyes are a crime. It is claiming things that statestics prove wrong along with proving itself in hating.
I 100% support this kind of stuff, if G. W. Bush went out to the puclic and called all Muslims terrorist that would destroy the Western sivilisation he would lose his job on the spot, no?
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Moonlith
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posted June 19, 2008 02:14 PM |
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@ Minion: I'm not a religious homosexual, I'm just bisexual and condemn religion for what it is.
Yet I AM upset, not because of the idea that homosexuality would be a sin, but by the fact there are actually retards alive who think like that.
I just can't comprehend that.
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TheDeath
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posted June 19, 2008 02:28 PM |
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Freedom of Speech implies you have a responsibility to pay for the things you say.
That includes bashing other's speech.
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I find spewing opinions based on prejudice and ignorance, and using a crappy old book to back up your statements NOT PROVEN to contain truth, to be highly irresponsible.
Sins need not be proven, do you prove morals? At least, from the Bible's perspective, they are morals (I'm not backing them up, just stating it). Some people DO think like that (heck some people even think murder is ok).
Doesn't have anything to do with truth really 
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Overall I'm against cencoring, but what really worries me is the fact people actually BELIEVE it - proven by the fact that rediculous quote still lingers in people's minds after 2000 years.
Let people believe what they want -- I was thinking like you when I was younger, but then I realized if we 'stop' the maniacs (at least from OUR perspective, from theirs we are the maniacs) from speaking (i.e doing what WE DO AS WELL), then we're no better than a totalitarian system. It will soon turn out into one.
As long as they speak (stuff we do as well), it would be discriminatory to stop them.
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I'm starting to believe freedom of speech is NOT a good thing in a world where people do NOT grow up free and liberal minded, but lots of people grow up indoctrinated with religious dogma.
That's how totalitarians thought too. You see, they believed that keeping the population in fog would make them obey what he believes. Isn't that what you say? I mean, you say that they should not be allowed to hear a speech like the above BECAUSE of the fear that they would believe it? Let them believe what they want, you won't change them by hiding speeches or facts, you will only make yourself a totalitarian.
Next thing to do is to deny access to e.g football because SOME people believe it is retarded and fear that others will "like it". People that watch it, like it -- you won't change the fact that they are fans by not allowing them to watch it.
Really, it's like saying: "I don't want my kid to see a computer, even if that's his talent, because I fear he'll like it." If that's what he likes, that's what he likes. You won't change him by not showing it, in fact you will only mark yourself as a totalitarian.
EDIT: really I can't understand how you blame SOME religious leaders for lying/hiding to their 'sheep' when in fact you want people to be 'sheep' because you fear they would get out of control (believe 'retarded' things)
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mvassilev
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posted June 19, 2008 02:41 PM |
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Sins need not be proven, do you prove morals?
Morals are things that are useful to society in general. That's why murder is immoral.
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TheDeath
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posted June 19, 2008 02:47 PM |
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Morals are things that are useful to society in general. That's why murder is immoral.
Ok but what does that have to do with what I said?
Also keep in mind what you said was from society's point of view. The sins are from Bible's point of view. I'm not arguing over which is better here, I'm only stating it.
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mvassilev
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posted June 19, 2008 02:56 PM |
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You asked if morals could be proven. I gave you a way in which they could.
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TheDeath
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posted June 19, 2008 03:00 PM |
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What do you mean? How does society 'proves' morals? What morals are 'proven' false? It's just a matter of opinion (the society's opinion in this case). When you disagree with an opinion, you don't 'prove it false' so to speak. I don't get what you meant.
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Minion
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posted June 19, 2008 04:07 PM |
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What do you mean? How does society 'proves' morals? What morals are 'proven' false? It's just a matter of opinion (the society's opinion in this case). When you disagree with an opinion, you don't 'prove it false' so to speak. I don't get what you meant.
This SO needs a topic of it's own. So you see morals as completely subjective?
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TheDeath
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posted June 19, 2008 04:19 PM |
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Not AT ALL. Do you think that if anything is not 'proven' it is immediately subjective?
What's with all this "prove" attitude in every area?
EDIT: Unless of course you mean that a society or group is subjective, in which I agree (but there's nothing objective anyway, we can always say it's illusion).
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mvassilev
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posted June 19, 2008 04:26 PM |
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What do you mean? How does society 'proves' morals? What morals are 'proven' false? It's just a matter of opinion (the society's opinion in this case). When you disagree with an opinion, you don't 'prove it false' so to speak. I don't get what you meant.
Well, society doesn't "prove" morals as much as it defines them, I guess. What I'm trying to say is that the idea of morals come from what is beneficial for society.
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TheDeath
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posted June 19, 2008 04:28 PM |
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Obviously and I do not contradict that (although I think morals are based more on common sense than 'greater good'). I still have no idea why morals are 'proved' though, so that's why you (or Moonlith, can't remember) confused me
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Minion
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posted June 23, 2008 02:15 PM |
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Not AT ALL. Do you think that if anything is not 'proven' it is immediately subjective?
What's with all this "prove" attitude in every area?
EDIT: Unless of course you mean that a society or group is subjective, in which I agree (but there's nothing objective anyway, we can always say it's illusion).
Well I needed to ask that, I have a history of misunderstanding you... (you said : "What morals are proven false? It's a matter of opinion.") And I assumed that if you think no morals can't be false, then they are subjective.
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