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Thread: Have you ever tried martial arts? Facts and myths about MAs. This thread is 35 pages long: 1 ... 10 11 12 13 14 ... 20 30 35 · «PREV / NEXT»
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posted June 15, 2010 02:35 PM

BJJ is actually easy! It takes about 0,5 to 1 year of intense training to reach a level where you know most of techniques and know how to perform well on the ground. of course it takes years to master, but the learning curve is among the highest of any MAs.

If you prefer a non-gi version, submission wrestling is for you. it's exactly the same as BJJ, except that you fight without gi (thus, many techniques that require gi are removed). It takes more physical strength and a bit less technique than "standard" BJJ because of it.

It's a myth that BJJ burns you out fast. It's actually called "soft art" because you should be relaxed when fighting. If you don't overtrain, it's among the most "user friendly" full-contact MAs. Just watch out for ears.
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posted June 15, 2010 03:14 PM

Submission wrestling is what I ment when I said lock wrestling. Language barriers.

Not good if you've got neck issues. Or some joint issues.
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posted June 15, 2010 03:27 PM

Well, true. In general being healthy is usually a prerequisite for MAs. That's why I'm quite limited now with my knee.
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posted June 15, 2010 04:15 PM

Not really. It will just limit some techniques on most MAs.
Your knee would still let you perform to some degree in most MAs.
Take karate for example. Kicks are obviously out but otherwise it would just limit the choices and execution of tecniques.
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posted June 17, 2010 02:47 PM

It would make his footwork worse, if his knee is bad. Footwork is essential... He could do like karate kid, then he'd only need the one leg
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posted June 17, 2010 02:49 PM

Not necessarily.
Depends on the state of injury.
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posted June 17, 2010 03:15 PM

Leg-damage will somehow, not always much but at least some, disable your movement. Arm damage will disable some of your striking skills. Damage to torso/chest/back will give you less force to strike with and give you less resistance to a good punch. Face/head damage ... well, get punched on a broken nose gotta hurt like hell!

The way I see it, if you're going into a planned fight you should be absolutely injury-free.
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posted June 17, 2010 05:18 PM

Well naturally. But if it's something that only brings pain and doesn't restrict movement I could care less.

But say something that just prevents the knee from turning completely straight or prevents it from completely retracting isn't that bad.
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posted June 17, 2010 06:25 PM

Well yeah, as long as you don't use your legs for attacking it doesn't matter too much. Still, I would prefer to be top shape if I was up for a professional match
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posted June 24, 2010 09:35 PM
Edited by Elvin at 22:09, 24 Jun 2010.

And now for something different. Looking through some aikido videos a while back I figured some might want to see a list of the popular or otherwise interesting techniques - Just like I'd be interested to see a short list of your favourite ones Categorized under a single martial art of course.


AIKIDO


Ude Garami

Armlock. I heard it exists in judo as well, maybe Adrius could enlighten us here.

Udekimenage

Arm throw. I always liked its simplicity and style.

Irimi Nage

Classic throw, many variations, easy to mess up. May seem unlikely to work but if you break opponent's balance the turning and throwing part is not much of an issue. However it requires good timing.

Hiji Garami

Arm wrap. Plain coolness factor, feels good to wrap someone from behind.

Rokkyo

Nice arm wrap technique. Looks even better in disarming a knife.

Kiri Otoshi

Have not actually seen this in person. Should look good if practiced faster.

Koshinage

Aka sack of potatoes throw

Jujinage

I so hate when they cross my arms like that.

Nikkyo

One of the most popular moves, easy, fast, hurts like hell. Though you can probably not feel the excruciating pain just by looking at the video.


Looking forward to yours!
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posted June 24, 2010 09:56 PM
Edited by wog_edn at 22:01, 24 Jun 2010.

I have never been a big fan of Aikido, as I have never met any attackers attacking the way they do while showing off. I simply don't see it working in a real fight... maybe I'll change my mind if I face an Aikido master though

Btw! I am going to try out a real 5x 2 minutes kickboxing match on saturday, and I have never tried kickboxing before wish me good luck!

Will try to make a list of a few of my favorite moves, though it'll be hard to categorize them under one single martial art.

Edit: Nice idea though, and nice list .. a few of those looked rather interesting and cool =)
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posted June 24, 2010 10:05 PM

Exactly like that no it won't. Good luck, put it on tape

About the one martial art category never mind but it would help if you wrote which technique comes from where.
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posted June 24, 2010 10:10 PM

Of course ... that's a given if you write how you fight anyway.

I don't have a videocamera (and my cellphone sucks ... yeahh) ... maybe later on! If this goes well

List will be up in a couple of hours or so, after workout+finding vids'n stuff.
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posted June 24, 2010 10:54 PM
Edited by Adrius at 23:13, 24 Jun 2010.

Fou shizzle, let's do Judo then. This will be a combination of my favourite techniques, popular competitive techniques and just stuff that I think is awesome.

Uchi-Mata

One of the most popular competitive techniques. While I was learning this I was told that it really helps if you imagine you have a giant stick going through your shoulder all the way down to your foot, so that when your upper body moves, your lower body moves the exact same way. I like Uchi-Mata, though I often have to use the Ken-Ken variant, where you hop forward with your opponent 'til they lose balance.

Soto-Makikomi

This is my favourite technique. You can achieve ridiculous amount of force with this move, mainly because you don't grip with the right hand, you just punch through the air and let your opponent follow with the force. Recently I've used the arm motions in this move to develop a combination of Soto-Makikomi and O-Guruma (the guy doing O-Guruma here is a Ninjitsu guy but it's the same throw in Judo, this ninja guy does it really well ), the main difference is that my right leg leaves the ground and goes horizontally with my opponent's hip instead. I've never thrown an opponent as high as I do with that move, feels awesome I must say

Sumi-Gaeshi

Here's another favourite technique of mine. If you can get your arm over your opponent's back and press them down, this move becomes really handy. The roll over seen in the video is not part of Sumi-Gaeshi, but the closeness to your opponent makes a roll quite convenient and feels very natural. I've caught many opponents on surprise by turning a failed Sumi-Gaeshi into a ground-hold by rolling over and landing on top of them.

Ude-Garami

Ude-Garami Elvin I LOVE IT! It's ridiculously painful... and it's very simple to do. Anyway, this is how we do it in Judo.

Okuri-Ashi-Harai

One of the more traditional throws of Judo, Okuri-Ashi-Harai is beautiful in its simplicity, and a shining example of using your opponent's momentum to your advantage. Damn when you pull this off you feel like a god! TRICKED YA B****!

Sukui-Nage

What's up with these ninja guys having better Judo videos than Judoka?
Anyway, this throw just feels plain awesome and looks evil. If you want to you can add Makikomi to this move (follow through to the ground), your grip by the legs makes your right elbow center around your opponent's stomach/chest when you do Makikomi, so you have a very good chance to knock the air outta' him. Not very honourable but... yeah.

Ura-Nage

Good counter move when your opponent fails with a forward throw. If you want to ensure that your opponent falls on their back and doesn't "spin" in the air (falling on the back = high score in Judo) you can keep your grip on Uke as you throw, spin with him backwards and land on top of him.

O-Soto-Gari

This is one of the first throws you learn in Judo and it's quite simple, and can be a very soft throw if you want it to be. However, apply a bit of balance breaking and force behind it, and it's absolutely devastating. If your Uke doesn't know his falling techniques right there's sure to be whiplash damage... Anyway, basic and very popular technique.

Sankaku-Jime

My favourite chokehold, Sankaku-Jime is pretty much what is known as a triangle-hold in other martial-arts I think. I use this technique this way; I position myself with my opponent between my legs and make my right leg vulnerable. Now, if my opponent falls for the trick they grab around my leg and lift it up to try and get through my defenses, I then spin my body anti-clockwise and wrap my right leg around their head (I tricked my opponent into lifting my leg close to their head) and then apply the chokehold by sealing the grip with my left leg.

Phew... that's all I can think of right now.

EDIT: Cool techniques btw Elvin, I'll comment on them later
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posted June 24, 2010 11:25 PM

That's because judo is the sport version of jiu-jitsu.
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posted June 24, 2010 11:45 PM
Edited by Elvin at 23:54, 24 Jun 2010.

Uchi mata reminds me of Kubi nage. Something similar. Soto-Makikomi would be amongst my favourites if I was a judoka Pretty sure we have something close to it. That roll in the sumi gaeshi reminds me of Ryu's throw That's the exact ude garami video I'd seen, I was meaning to ask you if that's how it's usually done in judo. Sukui-Nage.. We have the exact same move at different name. Another application of the move, must be humiliating to fall for that

Edit:

I remembered that aikido borrowed a lot from daito ryu. Googling my eye fell on the sentence originally called Daitō-ryū Jujutsu. Bingo No wonder there are similarities.
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posted June 24, 2010 11:59 PM

Adrius, I really liked the Soto-Makikomi throw! Sankaku-Jime, damn .. you got to it before me

Muay Thai

Clicky

Curving knee. A well placed knee may break the lower rib, excellent for defeating your opponent and .. maybe a bit cheap. But nontheless one of my favorite leg attacks.


Clicky

Elbow toward the temple, nose or chin of an opponent, devestating if landed right. Elbows are great for close combat, where punches won't get as much power. If opponent doesn't go down by the first elbow, just follow up like:

Clicky

Kick Boxing

Clicky 1 + Clicky 2
Jab+right uppercut is, at least for me, a simple and effective combination as the jab is fast and the uppercut is powerful. Ain't exactly the way I throw it, but it's the best I could find on net!)

Judo

Clicky

Large hip throw, only using it out of a clinch if the opponent starts pushing. Basic and effective.

Clicky

Uki waza is best effective, I think, when faced with a suddenly charging opponent and you don't have the time to use your legs to stop him in his tracks.

MMA
Clicky

Triangle Choke from Butterfly Guard, if you for some reason end up on the bottom this will take out your opponent swiftly enough .. and it's not so hard to pull off either!

Clicky

A bit long, but it's the best I could find on it. Using the fists as a hammer can, in many situations, be better for knockout throwing a normal punch (not counting cross or right uppercut). Also, it will not hurt your knuckles!
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posted June 25, 2010 12:11 AM

That double elbow slash sure looks painful. Triangle choke, nice!
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posted June 25, 2010 12:13 AM

I prefer simplicity over advanced stuff. Whatever works... painful usually works.
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posted June 25, 2010 12:22 AM
Edited by Adrius at 00:22, 25 Jun 2010.

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MMA
Clicky

Triangle Choke from Butterfly Guard, if you for some reason end up on the bottom this will take out your opponent swiftly enough .. and it's not so hard to pull off either!

That's an awesome move, I could definitely apply that to my Judo. Thanks a lot!

I'm glad to hear that you like Soto-Makikomi, it's been my favourite throw for so long. I even have a specific Kiai shout just for that throw haha, I can't help it, it sounds something like "Saaaaaaah!"

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Jujinage

I so hate when they cross my arms like that.

Ohh... doesn't Nina Williams have that move in Tekken?

So... the way the guy gets thrown... does he do it because otherwise his arms break? I don't get where the whole rotating momentum comes from.
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