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Elvin
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posted November 17, 2011 05:44 PM |
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Man I wish I had a judoka to practice with  Would be awesome to try my anti-grappling skills. Went to the dojo for the first time since I joined the army and I felt a little rusty but otherwise pretty fine. One of the things I remember as good as ever is my fast, instinctive nikyo against incoming grubby hands  Also I feel like my awareness has increased, I don't think it's my imagination. Guess it's a side effect of living in the moment all this time, not a lot of thoughts running in the background.
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wog_edn
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posted November 17, 2011 07:22 PM |
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Would be great trying against someone who knows "anti-grappling" 
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Adrius
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posted November 23, 2011 09:40 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 02:06, 26 Nov 2011.
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I've begun enjoying groundwork a lot more... used to only really like standing sparring.
Been seeing a lot more tactics in it lately... feels like an area I haven't developed that much. In competition I rarely employed groundwork for more than making time pass.
The technique I posted on the previous page has a position (arm locked, knee by opponent's head) that is quickly becoming my favourite. So many possibilities from that position... fun stuff. Got some praise for my creative newaza today... thank you Youtube videos ^^
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Btw... been checking out a lot of Aikido videos lately.
Most of the techniques I've seen so far are counters that are employed against the opponent's first move. What if you're already in a situation that you don't wanna be in?
Let's consider that your opponent has a firm standard grip on you in a standing position.
What comes to your mind in this situation, Elvin? He is not grabbing your wrists or throwing a punch, can you redirect his energy without utilizing force?
Purely a fantasy scenario born from curiosity, I have utmost respect for the art, only seeking further understanding.
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Elvin
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posted November 26, 2011 11:40 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 11:42, 26 Nov 2011.
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I can think of a few responses. One, quick atemi to the face and instant nikyo - left hand aided by shoulder twist his right hand and the atemi hand returns and pulls the twisted hand down(from the inside). That of course assuming that you aren't holding his arms from the outside, I normally wouldn't. Two, turn and sweep the inside of his elbow to that side, putting him off balance. After that you can execute a technique of your liking. Three, turn with one hand sweeping the inside of his elbow down and the other pushing his other elbow up. One my master could pull off but I wouldn't try, is quickly dive your head beneath one arm to get on the outside and stretch/open your hands by turning your hips to throw him. Takes good body management and timing, not recommended unless you know what you are doing
There are probably some variations considering what technique you want to apply after he's off balance but these are the main ways I can think of.
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Adrius
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posted November 26, 2011 12:22 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 12:31, 26 Nov 2011.
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Hmm... yes. Quick strike to the face for kuzushi would work... if you can get past the grip I have on your chest: In picture 2 I can block your atemi with my left arm, and your own left arm is already controlled by a grip to the sleeve.
I'd press down at both grip-points to force you below me, and as you try and recover to a standing position to utilize your atemi I use that upward-force to Harai-Makikomi you 
In theory.
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Elvin
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posted November 26, 2011 01:37 PM |
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I considered lowering my position, sensei has been telling us how to pull down an uke without strength but I haven't quite tested that As for atemi it is a bit more complicated than that, one arm turns backwards to pull and the other hand enters simultaneously. You never initiate an attack unless you are certain that you control the opponent's mind(term control not being literal here ) or body, for all you know he could be faster than you. In the end it's all a game of control, be it uke or nage. Even in the grab, I do not know how but a blackbelt's grab just.. immobilizes you. The way they learn to hold someone is just different from the one I'm used to.
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Adrius
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posted November 27, 2011 01:01 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 01:04, 27 Nov 2011.
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Eh, barbarian Adrius not understand how Greek man escape without force ^^
I'm trying to create a non-exaggerated situation where an Aikidoka cannot rely on his no-force principle.
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Elvin
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posted November 27, 2011 01:23 AM |
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If we are off balance ourselves or we miss the timing it can get real messy. The basic principles are continued concentration(before, during, after) and maintaining an arm's reach distance, if any of those fails so will our aikido. That does not take a specific scenario to happen, all it takes is capturing one's mind for a split second. I know, rather vague.
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Adrius
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posted December 10, 2011 08:59 PM |
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Man, Youtube really is a godsend. So many nice techs to learn... especially strangling ones.
I got something new to try on my friends every week
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Adrius
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posted December 14, 2011 05:22 PM |
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Teaching this technique today.
Ouchi-Gaeshi. Sweet counter if you have strong hips like me.
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baklava
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posted December 21, 2011 04:53 AM |
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Edited by baklava at 04:54, 21 Dec 2011.
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Fffuuu I got thrashed by two jocks in public transportation this evening.
Nothing serious, I just took about three hits to the head and then they ran away. Didn't take my phone, wallet or anal virginity, so I consider myself overall great. Still, not a pleasant experience, and certainly not one I'd risk being unprepared for if it happens when I'm with the girlfriend or something.
So here I am. About to jump into some kind of martial art after 20 comfy years of relative pacifism.
Anyway. Wat do?
I've got a mate that's into that Russian systema thingie, which is what I'd most likely go for. I've also got another one who trained Kyokushin for a few years, but he quit and probably won't be continuing; and the trainings are on the other side of town.
I know a Krav Maga guy, too, but it always seemed (to me) to focus a bit too much on ruining someone's reproductive system. I watched this series of Youtube Krav Maga videos once, out of curiosity, and it went like: This is how you disarm an opponent that has a knife: you kick him in the balls and then you take his knife. This is how you disarm an opponent that has a gun: you kick him in the balls and then you take his gun. Which is intriguing in its own right, I must admit, just probably not my thing.
That about sums up my knowledge of martial arts. That and what buttons to mash to do a shoryuken.
So my first choice will most probably be systema, considering the mate's over there, the people he's training with are great guys, and it's pretty inexpensive. Any thoughts or advice? I think I read once or twice in this thread that you guys don't like it, was wondering why.
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posted December 21, 2011 05:33 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 05:35, 21 Dec 2011.
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Quote:
Didn't take my phone, wallet or anal virginity,
You were lucky. That's why I wear a cork everywhere.
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posted December 21, 2011 08:55 AM |
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1. Something that most martial arts don't teach you is to learn how not to telegraph your moves ahead of time. This includes facial expressions, your speech, and your body movements. Every move you make should be a complete surprise.
2. Pick a few awesome destructive moves (like the hand-blade to the neck) and practice them until until you're questioning what you're doing with your life. Then practice them some more. Every time you should push yourself with more focus and power. You'll improve your speed and strength the more you train. More importantly though you'll be "putting the training into your muscles". When you do actually get in a fight you won't be fighting with your brain, you'll be fighting with this stored set of 'muscle memories'
3. Try several different styles and pick out what works best for you.
4. I'm really skeptical of the value of blocks. IMO you should learn how to dish out as much fury as you can in the shortest amount of time.
5. If all else fails - kick 'em in the 'nads!
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wog_edn
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posted December 21, 2011 10:50 AM |
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Bak; I would suggest either grappling and/or boxing. You can improve greatly over a short amount of time. Jeet kune do is also a somewhat useful martial art, or Sambo.
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Salamandre
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posted December 21, 2011 11:18 AM |
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The bad guys usually go away if you don't oppose any resistance, that phone will be lost but you will be safe. Street fights almost always end very bad. Giving up on a street fight is not cowardice, is being wise.
Life requires anyway a lot of courage, which the bad guys don't have, thus looking for easy solutions, where they outnumber the victims x10.
Why take such risk, when your goals are elsewhere.
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baklava
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posted December 21, 2011 12:53 PM |
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I know, Sal, but when there's one or two of them I should be able to defend myself. Of course I'm never going to fight back at a dozen thugs.
I have limited access to Jeet Kune Do, aside from Bruce Lee movies. And I think there's a few Sambo elements in this systema thing; there's also some boxing, as it's more of a mixed martial arts club, with systema being the main thing.
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Adrius
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posted December 21, 2011 01:51 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 13:58, 21 Dec 2011.
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Of the martial arts you mentioned I'd go for ehh... not sure. Systema's usefulness is debated... much like Aikido. If you have access to Sambo training, do that.
Take care not to focus too much on just "learning how to beat people up" when you approach a martial art however... have fun instead and don't expect results immediately.
You'll have to work at it... especially if you want to reach a level where you can react by reflex, which you would need in a fight.
Also you would most likely have gotten your ass handed to you anyway, just so you know. It was 2 against 1.
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baklava
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posted December 21, 2011 02:03 PM |
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Aye. And I was sitting.
But if there's one situation where it can help me, I'm all for it. Besides, I could use a bit of physical activity in life.
I'll see if I can dig up a pure sambo course somewhere, though I doubt it.
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Elvin
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posted December 26, 2011 10:38 AM |
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Go for something that isn't too complex or has a long learning curve. Something instinctive that can finish fights fast with a few well placed blows it just might be what you need. I dislike krav maga for the same reasons, it's just not me.
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posted December 26, 2011 12:38 PM |
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If you want self-defense don't pick any of the traditional (asian) martial arts. They focus on a whole different level and you won't get anything useful for the street until later. Like really much later. First years are just basics. Applied stuff comes only after.
Krav maga, defendo, self-defense sambo and the like are fast and easy for self-defense. You'll get a few responses to situations which you can use. You won't be getting a good basis for a fight(untill later) but you'll get keys to getting the snow out of there without being beaten up or robbed.
Haven't come accustomed with systema aside from hilarious internet videos and the like. It was stuff we used to laugh about in the army. In the end it isn't that much about the specific art as much as it is about the teacher. If your teacher sucks all arts will suck. If your teacher is good at least he will tell you how to defend yourself even if the art isn't geared towards self-defense.
Talk to people, go test it out, ask about their organisation(a small group won't necessarily be bad but in a big organisation you can find info and experiences from other places too, not just your own)
TL : DR version: Traditional arts take basics first, applied later; self-defense arts take applied first, basics later. Choose the latter if you want self-defense skills fast.
Pick the teacher, not the art.
Or you could just buff yourself up at the gym and look like you eat tractors for breakfast. Would keep you from ever getting into those fights.
Try carrying a retractable baton with you if it's legal. It's much easier and faster to learn than hand to hand.
Pepperspray will give you time to take those few running steps or that first hook.
Pretty much find a weapon, it's always better, faster and easier.
PS. Don't pick knives. They're a legal issue. They kill. They get people killed. Same with guns.
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