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posted January 30, 2009 02:53 PM |
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what consequences do you have in mind? 
And you know, whether she would or wouldn't be too "motherly", I'd still feel like a kid.
Those you cited. Domination = boring; it's like a game of Heroes.
And whether you felt like a kid or not, a try would show.
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posted January 30, 2009 03:13 PM |
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Mainly because attractive (both physically and mentally) girls of my age are very arrogant. And I can't stand an ego bigger than a Kirov Airship.
Because those with overgrown ego are the ones that try to stand out. I know 3-4 girls around 20yo who don't have these ego issues (with above average looks), so it's not THAT hard to find them
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posted January 30, 2009 03:44 PM |
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maybe. I'm not into stereotypes, that ALL of 18yo+ girls are like that, but still.. I somehow feel not interested in them. :E
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Doom, so your 21 and she is 15 (almost 16)? Honey she is just too young for you IMO. That girl doesn't even know what she wants yet. & she very well may not for quite some time. I would agree 100% that you need to find someone older. Heck, your 21 and still don't know what you want, what makes you think she is ANY better off?
Oh, trust me, for such a young age, she is ;P
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Do you know that here in the USA that you would be arrested for touching a 15 yo when you were 21? You would be prosecuted as a sex offender, have to register with the authorities for the rest of your life and spend a large portion of your life in prison.
I know about jailbaits. Don't worry, in Poland, what I'm doing is 100% legal.
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What is the legal age in your country? It can't be too far off from what she is now.
15. Yeah, it's close.
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Now please understand I'm not condemning you or your actions. I actually like you, but just IMO...she is too young for you honey....drop the girl and get a woman. 
Boy I hope that didn't come off too harshly. --crosses fingers--
Nah, it's not harsh, don't worry, my mates in majority also think that I should get some older gal, but I can't help my helpless fascinations
Ah, and about the sex part, for a girl so young her desires and fantasies are rather very.. well.. advanced  So no worries.
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posted January 30, 2009 04:14 PM |
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That's a powerful statement to make Lexxan without making a contribution to counter. Do you have an issue of love you wish to share? At least Doom is sharing his relationship issues (which can directly relate to love)
I would like regular updates from MM and emilsn. I never commented on emilsn's case but I did read this thread and I know I have posted comments on MM's issues
But Lexxan, wow that was very bold of you to make a statement such as that and then offer exactly squat to what you would consider better material for this thread. I would have expected better from a poster of your caliber. Sorry
@ Father: Yeah, I know I should have elaborated my previous statement a bit -
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First and Foremost, I personally do not have anything against the whole discussion -everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and so am I - I will not reprieve anyone for that.
However, this thread, which was actually meant as a dreamy and somewhat naive thread, inwhich any member can drift away in the shiny and optimistic idea of Love. I really did not like the way is erumpted in a somewhat business-like and rapidly exploding debate between TheDeath and JollyJoker with Doomforge and Father interviening with interesting, but sporacical replies - A quote War.
Mind you, I am not one of those "Quote War haters". If that's the way some members prefer to discuss, that fine with me. I wil not dissapprove of it. But sometimes it's simply the wrong atmosphere to engage in stuff like that, since it makes thread a lot more cold and emotionless. More Business-like.
It wasn't meant to be like that. People simply do not like posting in threads like that, and that's a plain fact. Eventhough I have nothing against Quote Wars in the "Economics" or "War in Gaza" threads, I do mind the Wars in thread like These.
This used to be a nice, optimistic thread (eventhough MM wasn't optimistic at the point at all), where anyone could share his opinion without enduring "Hey want you say is wrong!" or something similar to that.
The Quote Wars, which require a lot of engagement and energy to make, let alone read, simply sucks away the Opinion posts like a vacume. No one likes to post their opinion about something as Universal, something as ungraspable, something no one really is able to define. Having someone comment you post, okay, that normal. But presenting Exhibits 1, 2 and 1256 to prove that you are incorrect and giving you a preach because you are incorrect - no, I (And, I daresay, the vast Majority of OSM posters with me) do not and will not like that at all. It simply works dicouraging.
So what do we do? We stay away from it, unwillingly degenerating this once- joyous and optimistic thread to this, a thread where only a handfull of people dare to post, if any at all. The type of people forwhich this thread was made in the first place is gone. Gone forever.
However the Quote Wars I'm not talking about are those in this thread. The True and Good Quote Wars can only be found in the distant and busness-like threads(see below and next paragraph) Yes, it was because of these "bad" Quote Wars in threads like these, that the OSM has degenerated. Quote Wars simply do not belong in threads like these. They spoil the thread for anyone who doesn't participate in them. Quote Wars are good, and even nessecairy in thread where FACTS and EVIDENCE is needed to support the statement there. Examples of that are, as alreafy mentionned, threads about business-like and somewhat distant things, like the "War in Gaza" or "Economics", thread where you can't afford to be emotional without seeming to be ingorant or naive.
Same for here: You CANNOT prove of dissapprove someones opinion about love. What is Love? A says religious Zeal, while B says instictive intercourse. Where's the Proof? Simple, there is no proof to both confirm or deny these statements. In essence, you can only be correct, as everyone's Idea about Love differs from Person to person. You can only post you Ideal, your Utopia, you Vision... and nothing more. Turing such thread into a Quote War is simply ridiculous. The LGBC or whatever board (Lesbians, Gays and Bisexuals thread by Father) is turning into the same direction. Evidence and Proof can only lead you this far; cross the limit and the Quote War itself becomes full guesswork and denial, a negative look that almost a disgrace to Quote Wars itself. I have no proff for all of the above statements, yet I have enough common sense to afford stating that this is a mere fact.
So -no- I'm not pleased to see the course of this thread. And Frankly, it's merely logical.
Hope that answered your questions.
(btw: I alrzady have give my ideas on page 1 or 2, no point to repeat them).
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posted January 30, 2009 05:00 PM |
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i've read some of the posts in this thread but i'll admit i've skimmed through most of it. from what i can gather, mightymage was depressed, then hopeful, then happy, then angry, then a ho, and now he's back in love with the same girl again. all through this other people have been sharing their attempts at 'love'.
i won't bore you with my stories because for one i don't feel i know you all well enough (no offense) to share that part of my life and two, i'm not proud of some of my past choices. but i will say this to doomforge just because his story is interesting for lack of a better word. again, we don't know each other so this is just my opinion, but i have to agree with some of the other people here. if things don't work out with this girl try to find someone closer to your age. 18, 19, 20 would probably be a batter range. it is very common for guys to be with a girl who is younger then them. just not that young :-P
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posted January 30, 2009 05:04 PM |
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Doom, do you feel she is actually old enough to feel true LOVE for you? I don't, but that is just my opinion.
I think that love comes after years. At first, it's just attraction. For that, she's certainly old enough.
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Also, if she is that young and already that sexually experienced what happened to her? I mean, chances are she got an even earlier start or maybe was even abused or something. That has been my experience with youth in the past. But it could just be a difference in countries.
Tbh she's a virgin, just with quite a fantasy. And completely not prude, I mean, I didn't try to do anything nasty to her yet, but I know she wouldn't object if I wanted. She is very open about that stuff, no stupid taboo talk.
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Then again if your mates (lol, we don't use the word "mates" here in that context, sounds funny to me to say) agree that you should find someone older....
I never cared about what other people think about me
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So do you love her? If so how developed is this love?
As I said before, I think love needs years to emerge. I'm just attracted, I like her, she turns me on, and so on. I think love is deeper than just that. Maybe it will come one day, but certainly not too soon.
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I think that love comes after years. At first, it's just attraction.
You shouldn't mistake love for a bad habit.
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Same for here: You CANNOT prove of dissapprove someones opinion about love. What is Love? A says religious Zeal, while B says instictive intercourse. Where's the Proof? Simple, there is no proof to both confirm or deny these statements. In essence, you can only be correct, as everyone's Idea about Love differs from Person to person. You can only post you Ideal, your Utopia, you Vision... and nothing more. Turing such thread into a Quote War is simply ridiculous.
Tell that TD. If you followed this, you'll have seen that everything was nice and well until TD mentioned "the true definition of love" on page 24. What I told him in the course of 2 or so pages is basically what you said now, except that I tried in a more rational way.
And if that qualifies for a quote war you ain't seen nothing yet.
Oh, and you don't want to ask me, by the way, what I find ridiculous.
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posted January 30, 2009 10:38 PM |
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Lexxan:
What happened here was indeed a debate, but not a quote war. For a quote war, see around page 30 of I Gave Up on Believing in God.
And I completely disagree with your statement that the OSM has degenerated. Rather, it has grown and improved.
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posted January 30, 2009 10:47 PM |
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You shouldn't mistake love for a bad habit.
You told me the same thing so I presume it's backed up with personal experience Care to share your story?
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posted January 30, 2009 10:53 PM |
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Tell that TD. If you followed this, you'll have seen that everything was nice and well until TD mentioned "the true definition of love" on page 24. What I told him in the course of 2 or so pages is basically what you said now, except that I tried in a more rational way.
I'm telling everyone who reads this - so in essence, TD as well.
@Mvass: Quote Wars inprove thread where they really fit in. If you attempt to do something similar to a quote war, like in this thread, it become degenerate, IMO (and the IMO is, ofc, important here)
I myself have nothing against it - if it really, really improves OSM. Otherwise, it's usually harmless, you I won't whine about it.
Problem is, few people dare to post in OSM anymore. VW now mostly holds a lot of thread that would/should have been OSM material a few years ago.
Anyway, if you want to discuss it any ufrther do it in OSM feedback or smth. Not here, as it doesn't belong here.
Now... happy talkin' 
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posted January 30, 2009 11:02 PM |
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Tell that TD. If you followed this, you'll have seen that everything was nice and well until TD mentioned "the true definition of love" on page 24. What I told him in the course of 2 or so pages is basically what you said now, except that I tried in a more rational way.
Well certainly, a "true" definition would have to be ONE, so at least I have higher chances of getting it right
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posted January 31, 2009 12:52 AM |
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Lexxan:
No, no, quote wars don't ever improve a thread. Quote wars are degenerate debates. Debates are really supposed to be in the format they are in this thread - but this thread isn't for debates.
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posted January 31, 2009 01:42 AM |
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Love is when you can't stop thinking about that certain someone.
Love is anguish, happiness, sadness, thrills, chills.
Love is what keeps me moving.
Love will always win!
I apologize for not being able to write about my situation, but it's pointless at the moment to do so...
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posted January 31, 2009 08:20 AM |
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You shouldn't mistake love for a bad habit.
You told me the same thing so I presume it's backed up with personal experience Care to share your story?
It's just that the characteristic: first comes attraction and after a few years it may become love, which Doom used, is a lot more apt for a description of a drug habit than for love.
In any case, it has a major flaw: you won't spend years on mere attraction waiting that love develops. To spend the years togethet it would take, for Doom, that love develops, there must have been something more than attraction to start with.
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posted January 31, 2009 09:34 AM |
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Awww no story? I'm sad panda now
I see your point but maybe the first attraction overwhelms and covers up the 'something more' so you need to cool of to see if it's there.
I still want the story though.
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Doomforge
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posted January 31, 2009 10:59 AM |
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JJ: I think you mistunderstood me. It's not that I date a girl feeling completely nothing and hoping something will wake up in me.
But I will call the feeling love only if it lasts longer than a 2-3 years (the borderline of ordinary fascination, if I remember correctly. Humans just stop feeling it in 90% cases after that time. If the don't, it means it has a big chance of remaining through the major part of life. I read once a nice article about that ).
THAT would be love, maybe, but not after three dates..
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posted January 31, 2009 11:54 AM |
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Actually it's two years...
The time that's needed to conceive and give birth to a child and protect it in it's ost critical state.
Mother nature: pwns you all.
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Doomforge
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posted January 31, 2009 11:56 AM |
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Can't recall.
Anyway, if the feelings still remain after the mother nature pwning period, I think you can call it love
If not, it was another useless fascination.
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posted January 31, 2009 05:52 PM |
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Yup! I find myself in perfect agreement.
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