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NIght_Heaven
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Lonely star in heaven dream
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posted August 29, 2008 04:57 PM |
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Helping defending Necropolis...any opinion please.
Since Elvin was a bit upset from asking him all the time about tactics I want to ask the skilled players here(I am sure all are skilled except me lol) how can I beat Necropolis in a lan game.
Players:6(me and a friend human +4 cp-us)
Map fiicial maps 6 players normal and large
If you can help me I promise I will make some more funny pics  See ya grater heroes of er...dickiland Ops..I mean Heroes 5.
Also if a similar thread exist please close this one but in playing Necropolis faction I never find factions good against those guys...
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einomida
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posted August 29, 2008 05:10 PM |
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So, you don`t have a specific faction you play with?
I`m not a pro myself, but I guess Dungeon is pretty good against Necro. Necro units are rather weak and with Empowered AoE spells, Necro can`t Raise fast enough and your Blackies are Immune to Magic, that is, if you can get them before final battle.
I guess Haven might do quite well. It has a very strong army and easy access to Light Magic - Cleansing plus Paladin`s Lay Hands.
Same with Fortress.
Does PM/Frenzy work on Fortress dragons?
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NIght_Heaven
Adventuring Hero
Lonely star in heaven dream
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posted August 29, 2008 05:20 PM |
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I was thinking about Dungeon too...But sap magic and protection wont make a good potion for them?
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razor5
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Freezing...
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posted August 29, 2008 05:27 PM |
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I like this,it will help me much...against Necros
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NIght_Heaven
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posted August 29, 2008 05:27 PM |
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Ha ha razor you tell me..I am waiting ages for some strategies against this guys lol
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Isabel
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Dragonblessed
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posted August 29, 2008 05:41 PM |
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I`m not a pro myself, but I guess Dungeon is pretty good against Necro. Necro units are rather weak and with Empowered AoE spells.
I agree that Dungeon is one of the best faction vs Nercopolis.
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Does PM/Frenzy work on Fortress dragons?
They shouldn't. Fire Dragon and their upgrades are elementals.
Stronghold with Shatter Dark may also do well against nerco. In Might necro will lose to stronghold terribly, if you can overwhelm his dark magic as well, he is over.
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razor5
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Freezing...
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posted August 29, 2008 05:47 PM |
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Edited by razor5 at 17:53, 29 Aug 2008.
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Hmmm,how about Inferno vs. necro strategies?
Well,here are my opinion about all factions'strenght against necro:
Inferno - Normal
Haven - Good
Sylvan - Normal
Dungeon - Powerful
Academy - Normal
Fortress - Good
Stronghold - Easily weak
Well...
this are not the official strenght-against-necro-factions,just my opinions
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NIght_Heaven
Adventuring Hero
Lonely star in heaven dream
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posted August 29, 2008 05:55 PM |
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So anyone with no cleansing spell is doomed due to pupet master or frenzy... I can see why Dungeon is good against necropolis..but what about late game?
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VokialBG
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First in line
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posted August 29, 2008 05:56 PM |
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I'll go for Dungeon, Haven or Sylvan
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NIght_Heaven
Adventuring Hero
Lonely star in heaven dream
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posted August 29, 2008 06:03 PM |
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After some calculations of mine...I can say this.
Dungeon is good because the spell power and 50% more damage can be a life saver in battle...But what about Heaven? Why Heaven cant win? And another thing..I cannot dispel frenzy or pupet master with inquistors...why?
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VokialBG
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First in line
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posted August 29, 2008 06:14 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 18:14, 29 Aug 2008.
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Frenzy can be dipeled with Lay Hands only as I know 
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ebbafan
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted August 29, 2008 06:54 PM |
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necro has 4 main strengths imho
1)immunity to mind control dark, morale decreasers
2)large army
3)heavy use of dark magic(Cotn + Fr/Pup) and summoning magic for raising dead
4)high amount of mana b/c of Motn
its weaknesses include:
1)no morale
2)slow, weak army
2)weak magic based hero
to counter this faction in late game you need a good might faction that has good counters against dark/summoning.
i think the barbarian could easily trash necro b/c of shatter dark, shatter summoning, strong and large numbered army + rage, strong might hero, might over magic.
haven could easily crush necro in late game, the hero and a few of the units can counter dark, and the knight will likely have a large number of frenzy immune paladins.
sylvan's fast and strong army, and repetitive destructive casts with rain of arrows/imbue arrow, imbue ballista will blow necro away rather quickly
dwarves would massacre necro
warlock would blow them away
inferno is not so good of the poor magic match up, but they do have huge armies b/c of gating.
academy is decent against necro too b/c a number of their units are immune to mind control dark, they have mini arties, and light is a native magic school.
so in late game, actually necro doesn't have good chances against most factions. their worst enemies are probably the knight and the barbarian
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DagothGares
Responsible
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No gods or kings
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posted August 29, 2008 07:19 PM |
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I find it sad that necros have to rush, nowadays. Back in the olden days, the necro feared nothing and pumped up as much troops as possible till it was impossible to beat em. Now, anyone an beat 'em.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a good player of heroes and know little of the true power that might lie within the necropolis.
The way I see it is this: Their magic can really hurt, but their troops keep dying. Make sure they stay dead. stand on their corpses so they can't be reanimated. Keep attacking and single em out one by one.
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Nebdar
Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
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posted August 29, 2008 07:47 PM |
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Any faction is good if you are prepared with LightMagic for MassHaste and Mass Cleansing(EternalLight might help), Leadership to act twice as fast and have defence agiant Banshe Howl+Sorrow+DeathStare, Luck with magic resistance and double damage is always welcomed, and last nothing hurts the most when you use the enemys weapon againstem so Dark Magic with Master of Mind-Shrug Darkness+SealOfDarkness can realy make casting does dark spell a harder.
Necromancer is a rusher because it can keep moving forward without the necesity of going back for weekly reinforcments because with luck an DarkEnery Point he can raise army by the way. If you want to destroy Necro the week 7-8 could be good time.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
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Unicorn
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posted August 29, 2008 07:56 PM |
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Forget about the specific faction. The problem here is your human opponent can get troops from other castles and convert using the undead converter.
You have to win on the adventure map by not letting him/her hold those ai castles.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 29, 2008 08:51 PM |
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If only I had a dime every time someone asked me this classic question When you ask you can expect three ideologies.
The newbies can and will say ANY possible opinion whether it makes sense or not. They will often apply theorycrafting, post questionable information or simply wrong statements. And if they don't they will judge things poorly because they cannot yet comprehend the factions' potential. Look around how many X is overpowered threads we have.
The decent players that have some games under their belt have a better idea of how a game can go but may have learnt some things the wrong way just because they have not seen enough yet. Creeping, luck and builds can change everything.
The experienced players will not even consider what beats what, they can win with any faction because they don't overlook things a weaker player will. The deal however is that some work better earlygame or lategame or in some specific maps etc. That does not mean that X rox your socks, merely that under # circustances they will gain an edge, be it slight or noticeable. So they work against those situations triggering.
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The moral of the story? Anything you hear can and will be used against you. And I am serious. Everyone plays according to his own strengths and weaknesses and judges things that way. Suppose you have lost many times with inferno but won many with necro, does that mean inferno << necro? Not at all, that's pretty biased. On the other hand suppose the best player tells you that X DOES rock. So what? You won't know how to tap upon its awesomeness because you lack the experience. What you should be asking is tips on HOW you could counter necro, not what to use against it.
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tann_141
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posted August 30, 2008 03:09 AM |
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Edited by tann_141 at 03:12, 30 Aug 2008.
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spoken like a true master of the game
the only thing i have to say is that ive never been able to use necro effectively... maybe its me.. but their units are just wayy to frail for me to be able to win
that being said.. if you want to win against necro... go for a more might oriented build... this way you can kill them fast before the enemy hero can use your own army against you
of course it really doesnt matter which faction you use.. beating necro (or any faction for that matter) depends more on your creeping.. hero development (and build).. army size.. spells (or shatters for barbs).. and in battle tactics
ive played a game against my friend recently where i thought he would totally destroy me... what ended up happening was quite the opposite.. in battle decisions are huge.. making the right move at the right time.. or the right spell at the right time can totally turn the tables (sorry for blabbering on i tend to do that sometimes ) comments and criticism is welcomed
EDIT: what i forgot to mention is that we later replayed that final battle (roles reversed) and i still managed to win.. simply due to in game decisions (unit placement, spell casting, etc)
the 1st battle he was academy and i was sylvan
2nd battle roles were reversed
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Ressurection
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 30, 2008 04:56 AM |
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I don't think Necro is that strong either,maybe in late games.Their start off is awfull:they have no good,low ranged units;they are slow......unlike Stronghold.All you have to do is to upgrade your 1st,2nd,and 3rd lvl creatures and than you can fight almost anybody,which gives you an advantage.
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tann_141
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posted August 30, 2008 06:23 AM |
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maybe i just havent been using the right strategy with them... ive been able to generate a huge army.. and on paper everything looks good... army is great (in numbers) hero has high stats... good magics..
just when it looks like the final battle will be a slaughter.. my opponent simply kills everything... FAST
the slowness and frailty of necro has always been my downfall
again im not blaming the faction since it has great potential, i simply havent been able to tap into necros power 
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NIght_Heaven
Adventuring Hero
Lonely star in heaven dream
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posted August 30, 2008 12:49 PM |
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The thing that actualy bothers me is the fact that with only 3 creatures necro can destroy almost entire map without loses.
I played today against my friend in a lan...He was beaten by computers lol however he had only 3 creatures in his army.300 skeletons archers,about 100+ zombies and 15-20 ghosts.I was Academy and had an incredible bad luck...anyway
Elvin told me one time that not only the army counts but the skills to.If that is so..then how about the demon consume corpse ability? It should be so devastating against necro...
Also I dont think Heaven can outcome Necros without cleansing spell but with cavaliers yes So that can be arranged.
Sylvans are really boring to play with the same thing over and over again the mighty faction from all that nothing stand against bla bla..no comment.Not many strategies...pfff
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