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pandora
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posted September 02, 2008 06:46 PM |
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Seraphim, if you cannot participate in the discussion in a manner that contributes something - please do not post here.
There is a reason that your posts were deleted.
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Celfious
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posted September 02, 2008 07:29 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 19:35, 02 Sep 2008.
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Please read this once or so. Its not complicated
If there was a "we the people" movement started, where we raised a flag of the WORLD NATION and decided to act in peace, and tolerance of everyone who is not a terrorist, then I think more people would join this movement. Seperate nations would have governers under our simple voice of peace and tranquility..
Ok I'll stop there before I do get complicated.
Edit: There is a fricking world flag that looks stupid and ironicly has the same colors of the US flag.... What a waste of a webname, you know??
Feel free to email smile@worldflag.com and tell her she is wasting webspace. But try to do it in peace since she had a good idea... Just just went about it wrong.
Edit edit: What I wrote her
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Why did you make it like that.,?... Why didnt you advertise??? Why did you make a 3 grader mentalities site??? I had this idea and went to your site. Atleast you talk about peace, thats the only reason I'm not being incredibly mean. You need to quit acting like you can sow to use a devine, DEVINE idea to make 20 bucks.
No one will raise your flag unless they are senial. Improve, or one day I WILL.
Lets do it
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xerox
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posted September 02, 2008 07:39 PM |
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That flag is damn ugly tbh 
They should just have a picture of the world map on it or all flags merged into one big.
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Celfious
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posted September 02, 2008 07:45 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 19:46, 02 Sep 2008.
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I am thinking white being the main color of it....
It looks like they bought a bunch of pillowcases and bedsheets from the thrift store, hoping to quadruple their money.
edit, I feel so bad, that I hurt her feelings. She tried to make a movement .... someone email her nice please :]
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mvassilev
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posted September 02, 2008 10:35 PM |
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TheDeath:
Because hardly anyone denies that math is useful.
Bak:
But you mentioned overpopulation in your original post.
As to what you're saying about immigration, you are partially correct, which is why I support raising their standard of living first, and then abolishing barriers to free migration. On the other hand, the problem with them migrating is not that they would be a cheap workforce, but what their children would be like. They would grow up in poor neighborhoods, and be more vulnerable to drug and gang influence. Thus, it is not the unskilled immigrants that are the problem, but their children. A cheap labor force that is freer to move would increase the standard of living worldwide, so it's not a problem.
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Capitalism needs poor people in order to work and poor people need capitalism in order to survive.
Absolutely wrong. For what does capitalism need poor people?
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baklava
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posted September 02, 2008 11:06 PM |
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Edited by baklava at 23:08, 02 Sep 2008.
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I mentioned overpopulation in my original post, yes. It's already a huge problem, now imagine people migrating everywhere without boundaries. Hence, we reach the conclusion that the living standard in less fortunate parts of the world needs to be increased far prior to establishing a world government, because it would be too late afterward. I see we more or less agree on that matter.
But then you mentioned children living in poor neighbourhoods. See what I am talking about: you're starting from the fact that all those people couldn't get average life conditions in the more developed areas. But it would still be better than their homelands. Even in a theoretical case where you can increase the living standard in the devastated parts of the world as much as you like (and that's impossible), prejudice, rumours and memories of times past would still lead a lot of people toward the West. And we all know about the current western immigrant problems.
As much as I'd want to help people in less developed areas in the world, I can't say that flocking to the West is a good idea. And without boundaries, you'd have just that - flocking.
We've been through the capitalism issue a few times. You yourself mentioned that unskilled immigrants are a rather profitable workforce. Of course, no one wants poor people in their own country, or too much cheap workforce all over the place. Capitalists mostly tend to think of them as "those poor people from the other side of the world whom we help by occasionally letting some of them in, giving them bread and letting them work for us". Clears the capitalists' conscience, and fills the poor people's belly. In my opinion, capitalism is found on the fact that it is the lesser evil.
But boy am I glad there are people in this thread who aren't talking about conspiracies, cyborgs and that chick waving that godawful bed sheet in front of her garage with a money-making idea that equals wearing a sign saying "ninjas killed my family, need 20 bucks for samurai".
Best regards to her though
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mvassilev
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posted September 03, 2008 02:19 PM |
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you're starting from the fact that all those people couldn't get average life conditions in the more developed areas
No, of course they wouldn't. How could they? They came from a different country with barely any money. And besides, their children are disoriented (in a loose sense), and are prone to various influences that they wouldn't be if they were at home (such as drugs). So even if you gave them good houses, they'd still be vulnerable.
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prejudice, rumours and memories of times past would still lead a lot of people toward the West
Hmm... this is not entirely true. Look, for example, at Indians (from India). Many of them come to the US to study, and some to work, but many of them, after having completed their studies, move back to India and work for various companies there, by computer, for instance. And that way the wouldn't need to be away from their families. This could be applied to many other places and industries.
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Of course, no one wants poor people in their own country, or too much cheap workforce all over the place.
This is a rather puzzling statement. Could you elaborate some?
Sorry for the quote wars, and sidetracking the subject. 
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TheDeath
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posted September 03, 2008 02:24 PM |
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Because hardly anyone denies that math is useful.
Is that your argument? If hardly anyone denies then what's the problem to let them choose (just like you want for example, to things like art and religion)? Unless you think they are "stupid" for their own good (includes the parents), but who is to say you are "smart" for your own good?
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Asheera
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posted September 03, 2008 04:52 PM |
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I think mvass now tries to impose his preferences on others
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Hell_Wizard
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posted September 03, 2008 06:06 PM |
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About communism - China!?
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mvassilev
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posted September 03, 2008 10:58 PM |
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TheDeath:
You have a point. You really do. Good job. Give yourself a round of applause. However, there's a difference between math and religion. I think that math is important and useful. So do artistic people. So do religious people. Therefore, math should be taught. Art and religion, on the other hand, are not so agreed upon.
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Moonlith
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posted September 04, 2008 12:26 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 12:27, 04 Sep 2008.
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As for corruption, got news for you, pretty much all the leaders of the nations are. Some just hide it better. In the past their may have been a few who were actually 'for the people' but now its all about how they can benifit from it.
What is this based on?
Common sense
On the topic of overpopulation, I really don't think it can be solved by making everyone educated and rich. 6 billion wealthy people and no poverty at all = severe and quick depletion of natural resources (I'm referring to personal space on this planet, food, anything else you need...)
I say it again, the principle of "growth" is a flawed concept in a finite environment. Earth can only hold X people, but before that limit is reached you already have long since crossed the limit at which point it is COMFORTABLE to live.
I say mass death is inevitable and necessary.
@ Hell Wizard: China is not communistic, it is an aristocracy or dictatorship posing to be democratic.
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Lexxan
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posted September 04, 2008 12:46 PM |
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@ Hell Wizard: China is not communistic, it is an aristocracy or dictatorship posing to be democratic.
You're incorrect Moonlith. China is one of the last Communist Dictatorships in the world (others being North-Korea and Cuba)
Andyes China IS communist.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted September 04, 2008 12:55 PM |
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@Moonlith:
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As for corruption, got news for you, pretty much all the leaders of the nations are. Some just hide it better. In the past their may have been a few who were actually 'for the people' but now its all about how they can benifit from it.
What is this based on?
Common sense
It's common sense that all leaders are in it only for personal gain?
This makes NO sense.
.... most politicians in most countries aren't even rich...
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On the topic of overpopulation, I really don't think it can be solved by making everyone educated and rich. 6 billion wealthy people and no poverty at all = severe and quick depletion of natural resources (I'm referring to personal space on this planet, food, anything else you need...)
I say it again, the principle of "growth" is a flawed concept in a finite environment. Earth can only hold X people, but before that limit is reached you already have long since crossed the limit at which point it is COMFORTABLE to live.
It's not so much personal space because we only inhabit a very small fraction of viable space and even so it is largely not very dense.
That problem will be a speck on the horizon by the time we run out of the other resources you mentioned.
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I say mass death is inevitable and necessary.
It might be inevitable, but necessary?
How can you even say that???
What's necessary is that we begin to harvest asteroids and other planets for resources.
This would not be far off our technological level now if anyone cared to try.
But my theory is that mysterious diseases such as cancer are there only as population control (higher being? conspiracy? who knows) 
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TheDeath
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posted September 04, 2008 12:57 PM |
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However, there's a difference between math and religion. I think that math is important and useful. So do artistic people. So do religious people. Therefore, math should be taught. Art and religion, on the other hand, are not so agreed upon.
No you don't get it. If everyone "agrees" upon math then why make it mandatory, I'm sure "everyone" would choose it, right? Why be afraid that they are too "stupid" for their own good? Does that mean you are too "smart" for your own good?
And you are over-generalizing. Just because an atheist, a religious guy, and an artist, all agree math is useful or was for them, does not mean that includes "every person" on this world -- you don't just take it by category geez. Maybe another atheist will say math sucks. Imposing preferences on people because the majority decides can even lead to crusades 
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mvassilev
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posted September 04, 2008 02:24 PM |
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Moonlith:
You are correct in that if we continue the current rate of consumption (and its rate of increase), we will all die. But why would be maintain this rate? As time passes we become more and more productive, which means that we could use less resources. And with new technology, we could.
And it is a fact that educated people tend to have less children.
Lexxan:
China is Communist in name only. What kind of Communist government allows private ownership of the means of production? What kind of Communist government works so hard to attract foreign investment?
TheDeath:
If everyone agrees, then the point of making it mandatory is because children are taking it. Some children aren't capable of making long-term decisions.
But I see your point. What would you suggest, then?
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TheDeath
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posted September 04, 2008 02:28 PM |
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If everyone agrees, then the point of making it mandatory is because children are taking it. Some children aren't capable of making long-term decisions.
Oh, if we're talking about very young children, then of course the parents should, not a mandatory system
Either way, it should work just as "optional" art classes work in your vision.
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mvassilev
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posted September 04, 2008 02:30 PM |
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The problem with that is that many parents are, quite frankly, terrible, and don't care one bit about their children. What about them? And would school itself become optional?
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TheDeath
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posted September 04, 2008 02:34 PM |
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The problem with that is that many parents are, quite frankly, terrible, and don't care one bit about their children.
Yeah and you care about them and know that math > art since you or the majority are the perfect man/men on Earth  [/sarcasm]
(don't get me wrong I actually like math )
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What about them? And would school itself become optional?
Basic social stuff should be learned though (e.g: basic arithmetic and language). But then children/parents should be able to choose what they want to learn. Just because you think math is more "useful" to you or in general, doesn't make it any less dictatorship than Hitler's "children fight in war" scheme. You see, they were "useful" in war, in his eyes, it was the best thing to do. 
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xerox
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posted September 04, 2008 04:10 PM |
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Communsimn works good in China, it would be a disaster if they suddenly changed it.
But Japan is still better and more awesome
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