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posted October 21, 2008 05:12 PM |
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Hunting is necessary for the population control. If Moose, for example, wasn't hunted they would grow too numerous and eat all forest empty causing enormous damage to the ecosystem and huge financial losses to the forest's owner. They would also starve themselves and the area that formerly could support, say, 200 moose can only support the life of 150 moose.
And in all fairness, don't you think hunting is a better way than breeding? The animals get to live free and the way they like until they die. While animals who are bread for food have to live in small cages where they have barely any room to move. Tell me, what would you prefer?
Totoro:
The greed is of course a big part of world hunger but the world is now eating more than it is producing. Meaning that we are eating what we have in storage and every year that storage diminishes and the number of people just keeps growing. What will happen when the storage runs empty?
And as for food problems and vegetarianism curing them. Think of it this way Totoro. There's a field. That field can provide food for cows when one people can live off by eating the cows. The same field can also produce whead for ten people to live off that field. Get the idea?
(Of course not all places are suitable for farming, etc. etc. but the idea stays the same still.)
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posted October 21, 2008 05:13 PM |
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Just because its been done in the past doesnt make it right for the now
Why don't you photosynthetize the bloody glucose you need????
Do you still breath time-worn oxygen?
Are you a cloth-wearer as your sinful ancestors?
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Well some things might be good but the argument "because it has been done in the past" doesn't justify anything -- sure it doesn't mean it's WRONG but the argument itself has not much substance.
Death, you have missed the point, that was: sarcasm. It never ment to be an argument. It was to point out the thwarting (hope that's the right word) in the "Just because its been done in the past doesnt make it right for the now" way of thinking. It is true, but should not be "misinterpretated".
I never stated that time/habit makes things justified. But I found this whole thread ludicrous/pitiable; I haven't decided yet.
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posted October 21, 2008 05:15 PM |
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I never stated that time/habit makes things justified. But I found this whole thread ludicrous/pitiable; I haven't decided yet.
It's in the VW, what do you expect
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posted October 21, 2008 05:17 PM |
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It's been a veery long time ago that I expected anything around here(=HC)
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posted October 21, 2008 06:09 PM |
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Nature designed us so that we could the consume meat.
How is the fact that nature designed us so, a ridicolously logical justification?
Nature designed us so that we could fight but are most fights justified? nature designed us with eyes that get bad but we the more understanding made glasses and contacts.
To the question, that's not enough, nature nature nature. If your given a ridiculous tool for murder, do you use it?
Mytical, they lack things in their diet which could easily be supplemented. Maybe I should google healthy vegetarian living
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posted October 21, 2008 08:24 PM |
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Plants are autotrophs, which means they actually create their own "food" from minerals and sunlight. They have no need of "murdering" any living being in order to eat it. So, morally speaking, plants are on a much higher level than any of us is.
Should we, hence, stop eating food and instead start munching on earth and sun rays?
Even if we wanted to, the point is that we can't.
We're just not like that.
All we can do is eat within the limits of reason, meaning - not exterminate an entire specie just for the heck of eating it (like dodos).
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posted October 21, 2008 08:27 PM |
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Actually you can live by eating earth but it has to be some sort of special clay or something.
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posted October 21, 2008 08:36 PM |
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Plants are autotrophs, which means they actually create their own "food" from minerals and sunlight. They have no need of "murdering" any living being in order to eat it. So, morally speaking, plants are on a much higher level than any of us is.
Should we, hence, stop eating food and instead start munching on earth and sun rays?
Even if we wanted to, the point is that we can't.
We're just not like that.
All we can do is eat within the limits of reason, meaning - not exterminate an entire specie just for the heck of eating it (like dodos).
dodo's weren't hunted to extinction...
sailors killed em for kicks
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posted October 21, 2008 11:40 PM |
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Just for the record ::starts writing down:: I never exactly said its any better to eat plants than animals, I only said if we stopped eating plants and plant productions we would die. Eating meat is not justified just because we can or because nature permits it.
AND Also, I never said eating meat is bad, i clearly stated something along the lines of theres no logical reason its ok or not ok to eat meat, with two exceptions. 1: We can survive away from meats and 2: if we choose to not eat meat no one or animal is hurt.
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posted October 22, 2008 12:06 AM |
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So humans have to get what they want when they want it.. ok case closed. humans want what they want so its moraly ethicly ok to murder beings. Sorry if I sound negative but it wore off on me from somewhere.
murder is bad.
you equated eating meat to murder
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posted October 22, 2008 12:14 AM |
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It is to a substantial degree. Well, eating meat is eating murdered animals, eating meat is not murder.
Perhaps the more suitable word is "kill"
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posted October 22, 2008 03:19 AM |
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JapanGamer, you're Celfious? I actually took the time to respond to you?
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posted October 22, 2008 03:29 AM |
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Gootch can you tell me who are we to take away an animals right to life?
Because they taste good?
Because nature gave us the power?
Because our bodies require meat to survive. Wait, they don't never mind that.
The simple fact here is we don't know if its ok to kill animals for feeding unless its for survival, which 99% of the time in most countries its not survival. We dont know. I'm not telling anyone of you it is 100% wrong to do this to animals. I am saying its possible to not.
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posted October 22, 2008 04:11 AM |
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who are we to take away an animals right to life?
It benefits society, thus, it is good.
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posted October 22, 2008 01:42 PM |
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It benefits society, thus, it is good.
That's how nazis used to think, only that society was replaced with nazi society...
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posted October 22, 2008 02:24 PM |
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Their view of society was a mistake, objectively speaking. They were shooting themselves in the foot by excluding all of those people from society.
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posted October 22, 2008 04:13 PM |
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One reason why eating animals is ok in my life is I have nearly no other choice.. Like several other 100,000s of people, who have hardly another choice..
Wow I never thought I would answer my own question until I thought about it.
In case your wondering I have no choice because the family -so I'll call them- serves meat almost every meal. But if I order a pizza for myself??? Tomatoes, onions etc, unless I'm broke, then cheese only.
And I was wondering Mvass, just wondering there could be 1000 answers, which animals over populate? (And I don't mean the ones that are bred by humans for death)
And to the guy who made a thread about whining, I am not whining, The intentions of this were to prove an intellectual hypothesis to be true or false, and even with my above answer, its still proven to be "there is no valid reason to breed to kill to eat unless we have no choice" but we have a choice in most of our lives.
Everyone continue to eat meat, I had no intentions of changing anyone here. I only wished to have an intellectual discussion, thanks to all who participated.
Oh, and joonas I just read your above post again about moose. I am just a man whose opinion might be worthless but I would say its ok to hunt the over populating animals, but who is really gonna feed 10000000 meat eaters off of some over populating moose's?
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posted October 22, 2008 11:14 PM |
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who are we to take away an animals right to life?
It benefits society, thus, it is good.
hive mentality is too unethical for todays sensitive society unfortunately
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posted October 22, 2008 11:36 PM |
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hive mentality is too unethical for todays sensitive society unfortunately
"unfortunately"? If everything is just for profit, I don't even know the meaning of "friend" in that context. Even less love... 
(mvass, do NOT start with emotional benefits, since "sensitive" is an emotional benefit and I am not talking about that but rather the other thing mamga pointed (hive mentality))
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Hunting is necessary for the population control. If Moose, for example, wasn't hunted they would grow too numerous and eat all forest empty causing enormous damage to the ecosystem and huge financial losses to the forest's owner. They would also starve themselves and the area that formerly could support, say, 200 moose can only support the life of 150 moose.
And in all fairness, don't you think hunting is a better way than breeding? The animals get to live free and the way they like until they die. While animals who are bread for food have to live in small cages where they have barely any room to move. Tell me, what would you prefer?
I agree with everything here, couldn't have said it better myself 
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