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fiur
Promising
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Map Creator
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posted December 08, 2008 08:28 PM |
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well first of all I should'nt post here at all but I can't resist 
I follow some simple rules...
some ppl who played againts Natalka... notice that she needed a save (rather quickly) then a few min. later she is in another game....
comment needed (guess not)
solution: I got an save with player "X" can we save cause we are close to final in that save... (for me thats is accepted np)
I could list several more lines here but I can't find any reason...
it all boils down to trust.....
so play the one you trust nothing more nothing less...
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 08, 2008 11:13 PM |
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"I shared my experience concerning Natalka's non-cheating and I'm sure others might as well".
And others remain silent.
As a matter a fact I do believe you about that. Because it makes perfect sense. Remember this: " As for my MASTER Strider, why everyone envies him? I will tell you the simple answer. Because Strider is not only good player, he is the best player because no one can show such statistics as his. Moreover he has in-depth view of the game." The latest one was even better. Something about winning against you. She seems to consider it a greatest achievement of her life. It is crystal clear that a disturbed girl is worshipping you. So, if you worship someone, you certainly won't cheat when playing him. What would happened if he figures it out? That would be a worst thing one worshipper can imagine. Being spurn by her idol. Or, maybe even, some demented code of honour: "Never cheat when playing with your sunshine"
And on the other hand, who wouldn't be flattered by being someone's idol. It's like having a mad dog. Dog may be mad, but it's your dog. Who knows maybe some feelings on both sides are involved here. So, everything above is clouding your judgement a bit. Otherwise, you would see that I am not the only one who think she's a cheater. And yet, besides you, nobody has ever called her honourable.
And after summing my entire experience with her, out of those two games we played, everything fits in place nicely. And I have no doubt at all about her fair play. And I am not a kind of person that dwells on suspicions a lot. Only when a pattern of behaviour emerges, I start to wonder. And so far, there are only two entries in my book of shame. First one of course is your girl warrior. The second is an infamous emperor, who tends to lose saves. And not manages to load when you send them, even tough others can.
As for a last game this is how I see it: I offered a reload because I wanted to continue playing. If I have knew that she would save right after, and then play another person, I would have never given it in a first place. It's a common sense to continue playing with a same player if you are asking for reload. And in that way I was mislead. So I took my offer back. Anyway, I urge Ves to decide, whatever that decisions may be. But a main point here was to expose her for cheater which she is. So others may now what to expect.
And I am convinced that we shouldn't have mercy with this kind of people. At least, once exposed, they may change, but if nobody speak up what's stopping them from continuing with this kind of behaviour. If they don't change, then after a couple of this type threads, they will have hard time finding a game, and quit themselves. And I see no harm in that, either. It's a win/win situation. Right?
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 08, 2008 11:31 PM |
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Yes Vangela you did.
Kind of hard to listen to a butthole arguing about another butthole.
We needed to hear it from someone that is actually cool 
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 09, 2008 01:44 AM |
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Aculias your comp is ready ? Can i invite you to battle ? 
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 09, 2008 02:00 AM |
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Almost 
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted December 09, 2008 02:34 PM |
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I will step up and say I don't believe Natalka is a cheater. My experience with her is only in arena games, but she was an okei sport... and also she played pretty good, and that determined me to ask her to play fun arenas too.
Also the evidences here don't prove anything in my opinion ... if you look at the pure facts, there was a disconnect, a suicide and a save. The fact that they happened in the same turn, might be pure coincidence... If she used disconnects to try and get out of bad battles, why would she ask for a reload and not disconnect again instead?
I had a similar experience a while ago... against a paranoid guy. We played two games together... In the first game, I attacked the border guards, on week 4 day 1, suicided, and asked for a reload, which was not granted, reported and went to bed. Then, in the second game, my internet connection failed for an hour or so, just on week 4 day 1.
When net came back, he was already accusing me of cheating, suicide and disconnect. Fortunately my hero was far away from that spot, and I could show him print screen of hero's movement ending before reaching the powerful guards.
The point is that strange coincidences do happen, and the only thing you can accuse Natalka of, is rudeness. Don't ever confuse that for dishonor, cause it's not the same thing.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted December 09, 2008 02:39 PM |
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Except pera didn't come here just for this game, there have been shady incidents before as had happened with me. While you cannot clearly accuse her for x, y and z reasons she clearly has the morality to get away with what she can.
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DrOwnage
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 09, 2008 03:09 PM |
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Edited by DrOwnage at 15:12, 09 Dec 2008.
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i didn't want to lengthen this ..... thread more than necessary, but i couldn't resist since i had a similar experience.
Just one thing: When a Heroes game is disconnected and in Hamachi your opponent is still visible it does prove nothing. It could still be a regular, non intentional disconnect.
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted December 09, 2008 03:59 PM |
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I THINK IS MAP FAULT, NONE OF THESE WOULD HAVE HAPPEN IF not for the suspicion 'd/c just to check out trees choice' 
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 09, 2008 04:05 PM |
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I THINK IS MAP FAULT, NONE OF THESE WOULD HAVE HAPPEN IF not for the suspicion 'd/c just to check out trees choice'
There wasn't a d/c over that. That time her story was following: "She accidentally used a secondary with basic logistic to take a seer hut quest." And asked for reload for that. I mean the excuse was so stupid that if it wasn't for a previous and latter experience I could even believe her on that. 
If anyones wonder: She did played a map before.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 09, 2008 04:14 PM |
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I will step up and say I don't believe Natalka is a cheater. My experience with her is only in arena games, but she was an okei sport... and also she played pretty good, and that determined me to ask her to play fun arenas too.
Also the evidences here don't prove anything in my opinion ... if you look at the pure facts, there was a disconnect, a suicide and a save. The fact that they happened in the same turn, might be pure coincidence... If she used disconnects to try and get out of bad battles, why would she ask for a reload and not disconnect again instead?
I had a similar experience a while ago... against a paranoid guy. We played two games together... In the first game, I attacked the border guards, on week 4 day 1, suicided, and asked for a reload, which was not granted, reported and went to bed. Then, in the second game, my internet connection failed for an hour or so, just on week 4 day 1.
When net came back, he was already accusing me of cheating, suicide and disconnect. Fortunately my hero was far away from that spot, and I could show him print screen of hero's movement ending before reaching the powerful guards.
The point is that strange coincidences do happen, and the only thing you can accuse Natalka of, is rudeness. Don't ever confuse that for dishonor, cause it's not the same thing.
Do you really think that your experience in arena game is really valid in this case? For me experience in arena in this matter is almost as different to a regular game, as is some whole different game is different to arena. I mean there is so many ways one can cheat during 6 hours game compared to arena game.
Not to mention that I am not talking about single case here, but about pattern of behaviour. Also I do have faith in my ability to judge a situation, after 80 games in TOH. Not to mention that she is the only person so far, that I am convinced, used d/c trick. Sure, there was few other occasions when one can't help wondering, but next games with same person are there to reassure you of that. And this time, next game, assured me that I was right from the beginning. Also, you should consider the fact, that even well known cheaters don't cheat always, but only when there is real need, so its only logical that there were games that she didn't cheat. As for analogy with your experience, it's pretty pointless. If I could use my own behaviour during game as parameter, then I wouldn't have to doubt others, right. Although, I was never accused of cheating, at least that I am aware of.
Maybe an example can help here: You noticed you are missing money from your wallet. So, you are thinking, well I must have forgot how much I had in first place, or spent it somewhere and forgot in a meantime. Then same thing happens few day after. Still you are thinking it's some kind of mistake. But you decide to pay attention. And then after couple more times, you know for a fact, that it's not a mistake, but that someone is taking it, right? Same thing is here.
As for a argument about d/c happening and both players are still on hamachi: I had not less then hundred and sometimes couple of d/c per game. And I know that all or 99% of them were real. So when I mark a person for a cheater using d/c, for a first time, well maybe it's not just because on d/c or a coincidence, but because of overall experience and common sense. And just for a record: I am far from being paranoid.
You have to look a wider picture. And still if you can't see a logic or pattern in my experience, why not look for another guys experiences. If I am correct there are only 3 persons with 40+ games in TOH, that still have rating of mere honourable. And looking at honor rating system, you'll noticed that its pretty hard, considering a fact that even the worst of them doesn't cheat every time. So that rating mean that there were quite a few players that were suspicious and angry after this game, cause from what I see, most of guys here doesn't mark others dishonourable easily. And if doesn't convinced them, I give up. Some people can, and others can't, and I don't intend to waste that much times on latter.
ps. "If she used disconnects to try and get out of bad battles, why would she ask for a reload and not disconnect again instead?"
Hehe. Nice reasoning. Actually she did. In our first game. After which we had a similar thread. Here is little something out of that thread: "At that point I saw her main at the shore near first town. Went to center, and the game crashed again. Next time reload tooked us back two turns, and when we finally continued sim turns went off one turn then before d/c. Btw, there were 7-8 d/c during the game, and all of them on her side. I even had a feeling, when there were 3 consecutive d/c happened, that she was trying to pass something big and scary, and kept failing every time. To due the internet problem, we finished for the day. Next time we load: she passed effortlessly and a lot quicker then the time before."
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted December 09, 2008 04:53 PM |
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Edited by natalka at 18:07, 09 Dec 2008.
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Tigerwarrior Natalka the cheater strikes back
Since i can write once in 24 hours, i will make up a formidable post and there will be presents again. Christmas is coming
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HAHAHAHAHAHA,
Imagine how is she in bed
hmm, maybe not me but pera has to answer this question. But as he is so shy i will tell you all the truth.
Yes i had sexual relationships with pera
First i will start with my looks because i doubt pera`s cow(wife) looks better. Is she a model? Yes , she is. She is even in the magazines ..... on the advertisement of Milka chokolate . muuuuuuu. pera please tell your wife to shut up. Now i am 20 year old blond girl 176 cm, 53 kg and with long slim legs. But you will ask why do i tell these things, you will understand. The question is not how long are my legs, but how deep is pera`s ass I can`t answer this question but i can tell that my leg got very deep inside up to the knee. I support safe sex so i put on one sock to protect me and my beautiful leg. After five minutes pera started shouting : "oh, come on a little more , it`s better than making sex with my wife. Don`t take out your leg, go on... go on, Nat" But I pulled it out and this sucker has stained my sock guess with what. Then cheater Natalka turned in a rigorous master. I stood up i pulled his hair (if you can call plumage hair) and i said "lick me sucker!". "Oh,ooh" he replied and he started licking the sock very passionately.
I didn't like our sexual relationship so i ended it. Now you can see what person he turned in.
Now you can make comparison between pera and Elvin. As i gave him an advice how he can feel good , he is alright now and nothing bothers him. pera please follow Elvin`s path to peace.
pera you won`t get a win ,nancy. Go to your mom, tell her that bad cheater Natalka cheat you once again. Wine on her shoulder , maybe you will feel better mommy`s boy. One emperor - Firedragon who is known to lose saves didn`t get a loss for this saves so you can kiss my ass and still not get a win. Nooooo, go wine on your mom`s shoulder. As for seer`s hut I offered you screenshots
to see that i mistook the hut for the one like in MoD. Yes very stupid by my side but i was tired. If our dear Ves judges the win to lil` sucker pera I don`t care but i doubt it because nobody got a win against the emperor, so you can kiss my ....
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Best will be if Strider_HL is marry for Natalka. GL and HF
Btw Elit i didn`t ask about your precious advice.
pera , you dick-riding sh*t eater. You are so miserable you can`t even think up of a curse. You are hilarious and retarded. When your dick eating wife becomes a model and when you beat Strider , then you talk to me. You are two levels lower than me. I don`t speak to you - you dick eater, ass giver mother snower.
In conclusion i want to say, pera please come to Bulgaria. I want to meet you in person. And to make you a gift. I will drive you to the forest and Jebem te dok ti oci ne ispadnu a posle zato sto su ti ispale with leg.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 09, 2008 05:00 PM |
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Hello to you too, human trash.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted December 09, 2008 05:49 PM |
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Edited by natalka at 17:55, 09 Dec 2008.
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I want to say sorry to everyone except pera for my rude language. But i am on the old principle dating back to Babylon times.
two eyes for one, jaw for tooth
Still waiting for pera to come to the forest...
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted December 09, 2008 06:01 PM |
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Actually it's "An Eye for an Eye, a Tooth for a Tooth"
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Coincidence? I think not!!!!
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 09, 2008 06:32 PM |
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I am Luke Skywalker.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 09, 2008 10:19 PM |
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Model, right? Go figure. Well, I guess if that's the best thing you can say about yourself. Only:
You aren't the first ugly model I have seen. There are, quite a few. At least, it matches your pictures. Since, all I saw was: sickly pale (in summer clothes), anorexic young girl, with at best average look. And I believe you to be a model. Since that would explain some things. Illiteracy. Lack of education. Bad mouth. Awful personality. How old were you when you have been recruited? How old were you when those older guys taught you that "sock trick"? Hope it didn't hurt a lot. Maybe they gave you something to ease a pain. What else have you tried? Maybe that's why you mostly used: f... your mother/sister curses. Boys become repulsive. Well, business is business. One have to endure a lot to earn for living. Who knows, maybe in couple of years when your career as model is over, we all will be able to watch you in adult movies. All those extreme scenes. I can't wait.
As for my wife. Here some info: 29-year, 178 cm, 62 kg, natural blonde, blue eyes and beautiful personality. As a matter a fact she was offered to model when she was a mere girl, and she refused. I guess when one is born in academic family, whose parents use their brains for living and get national rewards for it, one has different ambitions, and doesn't have to do everything to earn for living. So she finished University, become a head of her own department in big multinational bank and just became a mother of a gorgeous 3-month old boy. What am I doing in that entire story, still puzzles me.
I wonder where you gonna be in those year. Milf issues?
As for Strider marrying her, I doesn't think. He just doesn't seems to me as a person who would like a "sock trick", on whatever side of a stocking may that be. But, that's up to him to decide.
And about Firedragon. I couldn't get a win, because I never reported any of those games. Which would be probably the same case with you if you weren't such a lowlife. I just quit playing him, that's all.
ps. I did saw you on Milka chocolate, just haven't recognized you from all those dots.
ps2. as for a screenshot: all i got was a picture of a junky being abused be some senior with black socks. wrong picture, maybe?
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted December 09, 2008 10:22 PM |
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beautiful personality
That's all you needed to say really.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 09, 2008 10:25 PM |
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When you have a relationship that goes bad.
I think a biography about the X is usually the least you could do
At least we know Adrius looks better then her
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted December 09, 2008 10:28 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 22:35, 09 Dec 2008.
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Oh I didn't mean it like that!
I'm just saying that this is the internet and none of the whole "appearance stuff" matters anyway.
EDIT: (I probably misunderstood you anyway, just wanted to make sure)
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