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Elvin
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posted December 09, 2008 10:52 PM |
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This thread is getting funnier  Anyway what needed to be said has been posted so let's keep it clean. Personally I would be more concerned about a person having a twisted personality (not positively twisted like insa  ) than questionable honour but there is no need to discuss that here. Make your choices and have fun.
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diegis
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posted December 10, 2008 08:11 AM |
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Edited by diegis at 11:07, 10 Dec 2008.
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honour
Honor, Honor, Honor.....
We always are speaking about d/c fact, and I guess we have to.
I've had experience with another online game(not heroes), very good one (not better then our image about homm series though).
There, theres a simple rule ( I know "rule" is not a good choice here), and accepted by all players, cose the interface of the game allows it:
a)if a player d/c, the players vote for continuing the game without him....of course most of cases all ppl vote to wait 5-10 mins(can't be applied here, cose these days most of our games are 1 vs 1 )
b)if a player x d/c, and dont show up in max 10 mins then the game is reported or saved and continued later, but this is decided by the y player.
Conclusion> what happened here mostly:
i)when a player d/c, then he shows up after 1-2 mins, max 5 right? Sometimes less time, like most of the games experienced by me and most of other players, right?
conclusion:
...........no need it...........
ii)If hes not showing up after 10 mins and dissapeared, then:
conclusion:
i'd say we have the right to report, cose is simple: dont have a good internet connection, then single mode is an option mate
Also we can wait, cose we agreed on this. Also we can not when we think the player d/c on purpose.
ps: Just for comments>
I havent applied these rules and no conclusion, just I mentioned another online tournment-very big one- but not called "of honour"  seems HONOUR means rules in our days!
Of course if players agree on smth else, thats fine-which I like it though- (example: I trust player x, and I always accept a reload from him, or at least making reloads from both sides, equally distributed or not - when we admit we made mistake and ask for reload)
for fun:over time I heard many d/c excuses, and some of them were very funny indeed, I am sure you guys have heard same....
Anyway, I admit trust and Honour is a great factor these days!
Honour, Honour, Honour....
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 10, 2008 01:41 PM |
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About Disconnects & Honor
Today had a game with Destro... and my game kept locking up and forcing me to reboot or restart the game. It happened like 4-5 times during our game. Which is all of disconnects for 1 game. Turns out I found a virus on my laptop. I cleared the virus off and game runs fine now...
So yes disconnects can look suspicious sometimes, but moral of this story is to point out that.. some times crazy unexpected things can and do happen. I am sure some players do abuse the disconnect, but as Diegis pointed out.. if you play known honorable players that you trust... you dont have to worry about it.
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted December 10, 2008 04:23 PM |
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 10, 2008 07:41 PM |
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Usually it dont take a rocket scientist to know when someone disconnects on accident or purposely.
Sometimes deep inside you know you won & then all of a sudden, a player drops & cant cont, or drop & replay something diff.
Point is that it dont take alot of brain power to figure out if it's an honourable drop or a crap drop
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted December 10, 2008 07:41 PM |
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Quote:
Epic Win 
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Coincidence? I think not!!!!
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted December 10, 2008 08:44 PM |
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Edited by diegis at 21:07, 10 Dec 2008.
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ROCK, ROCK, ROCK !!!
NO MORE POP (corn)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted December 10, 2008 09:06 PM |
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Quote:
Anyway what needed to be said has been posted so let's keep it clean.
Further spam will be deleted.
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Strider_HL
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posted December 11, 2008 06:10 AM |
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Fellow TOHers, after talking with several of our most honorable brethren who play Natalka frequently I am completely convinced now of the following:
1. Natalka does not cheat.
2. Her communication pattern is what bothers most of opponents.
3. This in-game behavior was the TRUE reason for Pera's outburst.
You might wonder why do I even defend her after these very explicit posts? I do so because the unfairness inflame me and because i had to go through similar situation recently and don't want to see it repeating itself in TOH any more.
Now, a bit more elaborate on the above statements:
1. Pera tells that she is honest only in games with me. Look in Natalka's profile and ask her opponents yourself. I did out of curiosity (they don't post). She DOES NOT CHEAT.
2. However, it is true that several of them have experienced her abrupt communication "saved, bye" and that it seems disrespectful. One of our most honored veterans even remembered times when she used to say rushing remarks about long turns. Yes, i remember that too.. But then she improved. I am sure that she WILL improve on politeness as well
3. Pera, even though you spoke from heart and seems that believe in her cheating behavior, I am more than convinced now that you simply reacted to her disrespectful behavior. I talked to her and, indeed, EVERY your allegation could have been answered by screenshots. And I have fallen in the same trap with logs hut as her due to experience on blockbuster MoD.
I completely agree with Pera about the disrespect she showed. Yes, i would have reacted with anger myself. Also I believe now that it was not a smart idea to play with hateful opponent as that clearly was the case after your last quarrel. But that was it and nothing more - she provoked you and you reacted CRYING WOLF even if you believed it yourself.
To summarize, this situation is almost exactly the same as my shameful showdown with honeypants only you two went much further in rudeness. I remember how despicable i and him looked. Unfortunately, now you two are there too...
Yes, both of you. We look at hateful and obnoxious curses of Nat and we turn away. But look at Pera as well... you both went on the same level in loathing - Pera's posts are eloquent and in perfect english but the amount of evil and humiliation is at least the same, at least... I cannot tell anymore a difference who is who in this mud fight.
In conclusion, if we want to be righteous then both should be blocked. But i wouldn't do that because i rely ONLY ON MY OWN EXPERIENCE. And that is most pleasant - Pera is very forthcoming and intelligent opponent; Natalka is less talkative but as a heroes opponent she is perfect.
Forget this tread. Block or unblock only based on your own experiences. Take care
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 11, 2008 06:47 AM |
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So what your saying is, she needs better sex & not the misinformation we get about her
The Frustration continues 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 11, 2008 09:25 AM |
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Edited by Elit at 09:26, 11 Dec 2008.
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To summarize, this situation is almost exactly the same as my shameful showdown with honeypants only you two went much further in rudeness. I remember how despicable i and him looked. Unfortunately, now you two are there too...
Actually the situation is not the same.
1. We played a for a few days not 3 turns.
2. You lost your save and mine "doesn't work" - only on your PC.
3. You decided to make a big argument from a (simple report game for my lossed time to play it). Its your fault for losing the save. If mine "can't be loaded" onto your PC, that is your fault as well.. it works for everyone else.
4. After all of this I find you despicable.
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Yes, both of you. We look at hateful and obnoxious curses of Nat and we turn away. But look at Pera as well... you both went on the same level in loathing - Pera's posts are eloquent and in perfect english but the amount of evil and humiliation is at least the same, at least... I cannot tell anymore a difference who is who in this mud fight.
Your english is very good but its snobbish. Real Americans don't talk like you. Using your "eloquent" english to make nasty comments and lame excuses does not set a good example for new players.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 11, 2008 10:17 AM |
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Everyone talks like that in this world lol.
What makes us human.
DOnt make it like your shiat dont stink Elit
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted December 11, 2008 10:23 AM |
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So you basically say the same strider just like I or pera would stick to our original views out of personal experience. Not sure how far that got us.
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perathekojot
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posted December 11, 2008 05:23 PM |
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"Fellow TOHers, after talking with several of our most honorable brethren who play Natalka frequently I am completely convinced now of the following:
1. Natalka does not cheat."
Hehe, this is really bugging you, isn't it?  Ok, then. Lets analyse your statement a bit. You talked to several of our most honourable brethren who played a psycho frequently, right?
So, several being number at least greater then 3, you spoked to at least 4 person. But, lets say, for a sake of an argument that you spoked with all of them that played her frequently. So it's 5 guys with total of 19 games. You, yourself had 5 games with her, so now we have 24 games, with verified non-cheating game on her behalf. Knowing for a fact, that these guys wouldn't mark someone for not playing with honour only because of abrupt saves or verbal rushing, thats 74% to her honour rating. Than reamins 19 games, that we do not know for a fact how she was rated. From my experience so far, it's really rare for other veterans also, to say someone is dishonourable only because of her behaviour. So I can count 13 more games with well known and respected guys from TOH, who give her playing with honour rating. She got -3% from me from our last game, of course And lets say we split remaining, half of those gave her with honour and other half was neutral. We know for a fact she didn't cheat, since YOU SAY SO, so no dishonour rating except mine. So, and please correct me if I am wrong: 50+24+13-3+2=86%. And that gives her high honour rating.
Only on TOH page says: honourable.
So that can mean one of two things: either someone hacked into TOH rating system, and change it.
Or, maybe, there was at least couple more guys that gave her no honour for their play. If my math is right it would be something between 9 and 3 games, that she was considered cheater. Or this can all remain a mystery and we will take your word for it, since you are the guy with greatest honour around, which everybody knows, thanks to the votes of all of those who played against you
"You might wonder why do I even defend her after these very explicit posts? I do so because the unfairness inflame me and because i had to go through similar situation recently and don't want to see it repeating itself in TOH any more."
Well, I had similar situation before as yours vs one of yours and psycho's brethrens. He lost his save (one of many to come ) and he couldn't use one I have sent him. I let it go, even if it did look fishy, since I couldn't know for a fact. And after couple of months I learnt that other can help me to check. So we loaded a game and everything was crystal clear. Word of advice, don't go for ultimate on HG with no magic school even if you are Havez. He had one digit stats, while I was Lethos with enormous stats and couple of days far from breaking.
And if you really think that most people around believe your version of your game with Elit ... well, guess again They are just polite, and don't wont to burden themselves with crap. But, that "bad save, can't use it" tactics, I doubt you will be able to use again.
So if anyone wonder why I won't let this go, and won't let protector of a demented girl discredit this issues, and turn it into: maybe... if you only knew... lets forget everything... ending of a thread it's because:
I do so because the cheating and hypocrisy inflame me and because I had to go through similar situation recently and don't want to see it repeating itself in TOH any more.
"I talked to her and, indeed, EVERY your allegation could have been answered by screenshots."
I bet she can even give me screenshots from our game few months ago, provided I am that stupid to accept them as a proof, after so much time. Hell, I can even give her a screenshoots to prove her was cheating, for that matter
C'mon, don't insult my intelligence. And for that matter, don't insult the intelligence of all people who are reading this. Because, that's what are you doing this whole time. Elvin read throw your bullsnow as did I. Of course we share a similar experience with your demented protegee. But, I bet there are at least few others that can notice this, or maybe even more.
"Pera's posts are eloquent and in perfect english but the amount of evil and humiliation is at least the same, at least" - They only seems to you so, because her's are just lame insults, while mine have a good probability to be true. And it scares you. Beware of a sock
"Forget this tread. Block or unblock only based on your own experiences." - Yeah, right. There is a saying which can apply to this: "Foolish are those who learn on their own mistakes, even though they had a chance to learn it on those of other people." Or something like that Good luck to you all.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 11, 2008 05:28 PM |
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One more thing. Actually idea. How about we add a simple rule to this forum. Applied only to players with enough games and rating below high honour.
"They are forbid to even mention word honour in their posts, until they gain one".
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 11, 2008 05:35 PM |
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To Strider:
Can you help with a translation? From your friend. Here goes:
"ei pederas maika ti da eba , laino takova. da chukam deteto ti vyrhu iznasilenata ti jena. da ti izsyhne kura dano rogach takyv."
Thanks in advance.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 11, 2008 05:57 PM |
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To Strider:
Can you help with a translation? From your friend. Here goes:
"ei pederas maika ti da eba , laino takova. da chukam deteto ti vyrhu iznasilenata ti jena. da ti izsyhne kura dano rogach takyv."
Thanks in advance.
I can transalte this....but its so rude. She deserve to go in prison.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted December 11, 2008 07:35 PM |
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Just so you know Natalka creating secondary accounts is not allowed. If you have something to say wait for the silence to be over and if you don't want to be silenced then learn to respect the rules of the forum.
If you go ahead with the insults you may be banned so be civil please.
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insatiable
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posted December 11, 2008 08:11 PM |
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i really do not care of what is going on in here.. seems somehow pesronal to interfere, is between him and her
I have played pera, hes ok- commited player, takes game seriously, ftw, i like that.
Natalka too, gameplaywise i dont like the 'ok bye now' type of players, cause im hardcore - i can only feel ok if play from day1 till day after final fight. I like she dont say much when ask game, shes str8 to the point, fast to launch, fast to quit too. I dunno, maybe she accidentally ate the wrong sugar bowl when she was kid..
Hoever i cant judge easy others ppl fairness-honorship, cause im competetevily soft- not excactly prey yet some subcategory of it
And please no flames on strider he's only a pervert
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Fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted December 11, 2008 09:17 PM |
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As a complete neutral - if possible, havent played any of you.
Pera, if you had stopped with your first post, discussed the facts, and just laughed at the ugly replies from Natalka, you would have looked good in all of this. Now Strider is not that far from the mark when he claims its hard to know who is who in the mudfight. When you return sexual harassments or whatever, then its a bit game over for me. Yes, you claim she cheated, maybe she did, but to me rudeness and simpleness is of importance aswell. There you both failed by a mile (well, lets be fair, Nat by 100s of miles)
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