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Asheera
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posted December 23, 2008 06:10 PM |
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I wouldn't say Vampire Princes are the best upgrade (High Damage Range and Enemy Retaliation compensate the Torpor and Speed advantage)
Compensate? Torpor triggers so much that it's even stronger than No Enemy Retaliation. Do not forget that once Torpor triggers, it has a much better effect than No Enemy Retaliation, since the enemy does also not retaliate (and is also put to sleep)
Also, consider the fact that it can trigger on retaliations as well - No Enemy Retaliation is useless in this case.
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emilsn
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posted December 23, 2008 07:10 PM |
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Creeping: crossbowmen, yes, they deal huge amount of dps.
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Lategame: If you manage to get unicorn hornbow, I would take Marksmen, they do Alllllllllllllllllmooost the same damage, I know the attack got a difference on 1. You get the almost same dmg and when the enemy comes to close they do huge damage.
So what we can conclude is choose what you want depending on your tactics and enemies!
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Asheera
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posted December 23, 2008 07:14 PM |
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The Unicorn Horn Bow is the only thing which lets you choose some old upgrades over the alternatives (Marksman, Master Hunter)
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emilsn
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posted December 23, 2008 07:18 PM |
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Exactly and therefor a very importen thing when you plan your tactic.. So I think that the Marksmen and Masterhunters can be just as good as their counterparts with the right artifacts 
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mlai
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posted December 24, 2008 06:19 AM |
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OK looks like I missed a patch... Princes went from suck to rock, courtesy of Torpor chance being increased by a lot.
Master Hunters aren't better (damage-wise) no matter what archery artifacts, luck, or guilds you have. I thought that was established in a previous topic. The only time they'll be better is if you find Unicorn Bow on the 1st day or something.
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Azagal
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posted December 24, 2008 07:40 AM |
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Have you been watching the duel tournament? Vampire Princes are the things that dreams, sex, and pizza are made out of. Torpor is just downright awesome.
Ahahahaaa  .
Can't really see what you folks are discussing here though... Marksmen don't hold a freakin candle to Crossbowmen therefore they are overpowered. Really simple?
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Doomforge
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posted December 24, 2008 02:07 PM |
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Can't believe that through all the months of my inactivity, those lazy buttholes of Nival didn't fix Arcane Archers and other clearly-superior upgrades.
This isn't even pathetic, it's beyond it 
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Hartza
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posted December 26, 2008 12:53 PM |
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Crossbowers are better in long range and marksman are better at short range. I donīt see THAT much unbalance between these two.
While having below average initiate(8) it usually means when shooters is about to act the enemy is already near them(at least chargers).
Crossbowman: better for creeping and taking down enemy shooters
Marksman: Agaisnt fast chargers and high tier creatures.
Good balance would be if they recude crossbowers damage from 2-8 to 2-6.
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Asheera
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posted December 26, 2008 02:35 PM |
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Marksmen are not better at short range than Crossbowmen... they're better only in very close range because of Precise Shot, but that happens very rarely compared to shooting at the other side of the battlefield.
And I agree about that damage reduction.
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emilsn
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posted December 26, 2008 03:50 PM |
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If they lowered that +1attack that the crossbowmen have then they should be balanced?
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Asheera
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posted December 26, 2008 04:00 PM |
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No, one attack point doesn't matter much at all 
Lower the damage to 2-6 (and probably leave the attack as it is), and they will be more balanced.
That way Crossbowmen will deal 25% less damage than Marksmen from close range, while dealing 60% more damage from far range. Considering the Marksmen has Precise Shot as well it will be pretty balanced IMO.
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phoenixreborn
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posted December 27, 2008 07:33 AM |
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This assumes marksmen are perfectly balanced with the rest of the game. What if marksmen are underpowered?
You simply can't prove either point to me. At least not without a lot of math and games to back it up. Replays galore.
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Elvin
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posted December 27, 2008 10:44 AM |
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OMG you want to nerf haven's already slow creeping 
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DagothGares
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posted December 27, 2008 10:59 AM |
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OMG you want to nerf haven's already slow creeping
Yes, elvin, everything needs nerfing! All races are too OP, but noone is neutral enoughh to admit it! There, I said it.
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Fauch
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posted December 27, 2008 12:29 PM |
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the horned overseer is too overpowered.
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Azagal
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posted December 27, 2008 12:45 PM |
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Biiiiiiig joke right there.
Triple damage on retal... they are dead after you used them or get a heavy blow (mass confusion ftw!).
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Asheera
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posted December 27, 2008 02:22 PM |
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OMG you want to nerf haven's already slow creeping
Yes well if we nerf the other overpowered alternatives as well, as I said, otherwise it wouldn't be fair.
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veco
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posted December 27, 2008 02:43 PM |
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Edited by veco at 14:44, 27 Dec 2008.
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They still have only 8 init so almost every other shooter/caster gets to act before them effectively cutting down the training advantage. So if you think they could use balancing then maybe reducing hp/Def stats would do it
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emilsn
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posted December 27, 2008 02:49 PM |
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I am not sure - but this debate is starting to sound like a WoW debate about the classes being to overpowered
Let us face it, you can not balanace an RPG/Stragitic game ...
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Elvin
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posted December 27, 2008 05:59 PM |
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Sure you can As long as you put some experienced people in charge you can do anything, however when you have noobs to do that you get the original H5
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