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infinitus
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posted December 19, 2008 02:29 PM |
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Fine, orc hero from tavern with centaur bonus on 2m, ok ?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 02:56 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 15:46, 19 Dec 2008.
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Here's idea: try your map without Ossir, Havez or Haggash or their extra troop and see how skilful and pro you truly are.
This sums this entire post up nicely! Pera hit the nail on the head.
First of all... I didnt remove Infinitus from my MSN for nasty or offensive reasons.. Just simply is no reason to have a player on my list that I will NEVER play. No hard feelings or anything at all. He has the right to pick what ever he wants.. But as Kispagat pointed out.. if he insists on picking only the GodLike Heroes - Ossir-Dougal-Havez-Haggash etc then dont expect to be play us.
And if a player is afraid of going random because they dont want to end up with crap hero and other guy get lucky and get Power hero then there are 2 good options to solve that.
1- Generate the towns randomsly in game.. Then restart and each player pick your opponents hero.  I liked that idea from Destro
2- Or just simple agree that the obvious power heroes are banned. So if a player randomly gets sylvan.. then ossir cannot be used if he is town etc.. Or no dougal etc etc
---- I looked over Infinitus TOH profile and notice there are almost 100 names in his player list that I dont even recognize... Then it dawned on me.. He is Hustling all the newbies on UBI server.. Talking them into signing up and reporting for TOH even if they dont plan on ever playing another TOH game again. That way he gets to pick his Ossir EVER game and take advantage of all them players that just installed the game and are eager to play a game.
its funny.. but I have managed to make it to top of rankings and so far this season my record is 32-5 and none of them 37 games have been with Ossir. So see.. it IS posssible to win without Ossir... well ofcourse that is if you have SOME skill in game.
I say kick of your training wheels Infinitus... ride free.. enjoy the wind in your face....after a few crashes.. you will get the hang of it and be riding like a big boy in no time. 
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 02:59 PM |
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Fine, orc hero from tavern with centaur bonus on 2m, ok ?
Cool, I asked you to forget superior ones, and centaur captain is Haggash.
2m is not a map, its a random template. In my opinion, rmg just not worth to play, but thats only my opinion.
Besides, if orcs could not get significant init boosters, sylvan defeats them easily. (but this is general view, each game is special)
So? Map & hero?
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FoolishMan
Known Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 03:06 PM |
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this snow is very funny
it's very weird that someone who runs to every thread saying
the game is perfectly balanced , don't ban anything ,every faction has same chances ,don't ban any heroes and all the blabla bs....
never plays nothing beside Ossir, Haggash, Havez or some other power hero
that is just weak
prove us what you are saying by playing with demons,dwarves some other than heroes mentioned
also all the "great" players that are so slow that they can do only 7 days of the game in the first session (playing them for 4 hours) i am pretty sure are cheaters (no need to explain that)
larry fanoga
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Clay_Man
Known Hero
TOH gamer
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posted December 19, 2008 03:21 PM |
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For the record, I played RMG once (vs Infinitus), but for me it was boring as hell mainly because:
 Besides early ore/wood mines the others were within like 3-4 days reach
No way to gain a few early lvl-ups
Sims turn ended week 2 LOL
2 exact same arties near each other (relics)
Very powerful mine guards
For me, it was boring, when I play a map I want some action, not spending 3 turns only to reach some minos for a chest...
Just my 2 cents regarding the RMG issue
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted December 19, 2008 03:22 PM |
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its funny.. but I have managed to make it to top of rankings and so far this season my record is 32-5 and none of them 37 games have been with Ossir. So see.. it IS posssible to win without Ossir... well ofcourse that is if you have SOME skill in game.
I say kick of your training wheels Infinitus... ride free.. enjoy the wind in your face....after a few crashes.. you will get the hang of it and be riding like a big boy in no time.
Only three questions Jinxer ...
How many of those games, did you use Ingvar, which is at least as powerfull as Ossir and Haggash?
And how many of those games were played were using the dwarfs, one of the most powerfull races of the game?
And how many of those games that you won, were against real tough opponent like Ghast, Strider, Elit, Sq, Kispagat , Zilo and a few others that I forgot to mention ?
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 03:34 PM |
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Jinxer's toh handle is taking effect
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 03:35 PM |
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I dont recall all my heroes I have played.. But I know that in every game I played COMPLETELY Random.. or strike out. NEVER picked... well I take that back.. 1 game I picked with Fiur... cause he wanted to play Ornella on MasterMind.. so I picked Ylthin.. lol.. I didnt even take Ossir when I had the chance to. Cause I wanted a good game. I hate riding with training wheels
And Played Players like Fiur-Fraudatio-CHNVimp-LordNerevar plus many more... been trying to player Strider for months now! We have a clan war going for 6 plus months now.. and he always has some excuse to be busy when I ask for game And I am sure Elit is very skilled.. But his claim to fame is to ONLY play Hourglass lol... put him on a map like Genesis or MasterMind and if he still dominates then I bow and give respect.
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted December 19, 2008 03:38 PM |
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I think my biggest reason for using random town/hero is simple.. It has everything to do with me feeling bad LOL yes feeling bad.
I would feel absolutely dirty and horrible if I watch my opponent take his town and hero.. I then proceed to take the most powerful hero/town combination. I feel like in doing this I am trying to give myself an extra advantage and steal the win.
Anyday of the week I would rather play a game of Sylvan - Ossir vs Inferno - Nymus with my opponent playing ossir. If I had taken ossir vs the above match when I won (lets face it I will) I would feel the win was undeserved, that I somehow cheated my opponent out of a chance at victory.
The other problem that remains with choosing race/hero is simple. Again nothing personal Infinitus (you know I will play you as ossir np have a few times before) If I join a game and I am staring at a ready check mark with my opponent town/hero choice already taken, it removes that town from my list of playables. Also I don't like when a player says "choose your faction" I feel than that after I have chosen my faction, the opponent has a distinct advantage of being able to choose a "counter" if you will.
This is why I like random town/hero. I guess my issue isn't playing vs a power hero at all. I don't mind going up vs any of em. My problem is choosing a distinct advantage. I don't mind if luck swings in my opponents favor and gives him a power hero, but I would rather not choose one.
Hope that makes sense.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 03:53 PM |
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Fine, orc hero from tavern with centaur bonus on 2m, ok ?
Hehe. Right. Why don't you give some other that setup, and you try lets say some other hero not including Havez, Ingvar, Ossir or Haggash or their extra army. And then you can prove how good you are. Instead you choose a map with extra strong guards, take the fastest creeper or the biggest army, and you think you are good.
As for replays I told you to try guards I had last time with my hero or regular orc hero without extra centaurs. And post a replays. Not: "I had a tons of game without them ...", but: "Here is how is done..." (and you post a replays of such wins, preferably with a little losses since you have a game to continue ). And when you show me those replays I will be convinced you are truly skilful and great player. Because, as I can see now, you are just a guy who choose a perfect (for him) setup, bigest army, fastest creeper and think winning that way proves something. Show some courage, play unfavourable setups.
Also, one thing puzzles me. You say: "Imba talk, Kispagat version, you think 50% of heroes are imbalanced and solution is to go random hero. Going random mean increased luck factor. Increased luck factor - ohh, nice way to balance Heroes 5, now game have perfect balance, luck decide ho get Hagash and won the game". - Forgeting for a momment your first pick was Haggash  , then hero form tavern with Haggash centaurs I can't help seeing inconsistency in your perspective. You don't mind random map (where one can get 3 trade posts, and other lets say: artifact merchant, eldritch well and one trade post), but you don't like random race/hero match up. Why not just all random or no random at all? Or could it be, since rmg maps are so empty and you have long distance to go between each battle, this are much favourable for super creepers. And one that doesn't have such hero/army can't afford going back such distances/wasting so many turns, but also can't afford not to have some mines/arties, and by definition is even less favourable then simple super creeper/regular hero match up. Just maybe.
And don't forget those replays. Share the knowledge. Help the community.
ps. Nice point Destro. Far better solution is to play strike out system. That way you get to choose who you don't wont to play. Although, if I can choose, I will always choose pure random. I mean, luck is huge part of the game, so why not then go all the way. Law of big numbers says: when you have such amount of luck "factors" in the end it would end up being balanced game. Maybe not in one or two games, but after 50-100 games, nobody can says he had bad or good luck, it should be pretty even in the end. And it's soo much enjoyable and more fun playing that way. And we do play for fun. Don't we?
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted December 19, 2008 04:03 PM |
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I dont recall all my heroes I have played.. But I know that in every game I played COMPLETELY Random.. or strike out. NEVER picked... well I take that back.. 1 game I picked with Fiur... cause he wanted to play Ornella on MasterMind.. so I picked Ylthin.. lol.. I didnt even take Ossir when I had the chance to. Cause I wanted a good game. I hate riding with training wheels
And Played Players like Fiur-Fraudatio-CHNVimp-LordNerevar plus many more...
TowerLord asked about you good opponents... so plz delete me from that list I go no skills what so ever when it comes to heroes V...
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted December 19, 2008 04:20 PM |
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Edited by diegis at 18:24, 19 Dec 2008.
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very good point Fiur!
Same for me TowerLord (aka Hero Radoo) .
From another point of view: playing random is very fun, and also as u guyz noticed: "knowledge itself is power"
So playing for learning [and as Teacher said, boring thing playing same f... sylvan, academy, haggash, annoy me very much recently], brings fun in the final.
Also I discovered another "random" idea: after those 3 random choices, just dont eliminate anything, but choose from what u got, same for the opponent...I had such random system, and was surprised to be accepted from all the players.
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I have another point of view regarding good players, its like being a good teacher: learning very stupid students, its much more valuable then making results with skilled students.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 04:32 PM |
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And I am sure Elit is very skilled.. But his claim to fame is to ONLY play Hourglass lol... put him on a map like Genesis or MasterMind and if he still dominates then I bow and give respect.
I dont know why every topic is going to personal argues. For me if YOU are good you will can beat me where i'm most strong and giv me to choice my favorite race/hero. If you can do it i will respect you. It's my philosophy in general. When i start play in ToF ppl like SQ79/Arteman/CYCLEGUY has alot high in chart and have alot games on HG. So my main gola was to can beat them here. Firts few games i loss horile from SQ79. In this time he have pver 50 games total on HG. I losss all my games vs Arteman too. In heroes 1.4 its was almost impossible to beet his necro on HG. I won most from my games vs CYCLEGUY and almost all games he was necro too. So if you calcualte this make 44 games vs them. They are all soo good on HG. I have 17 games with Kispagat here and he is very good on HG. Total 61. Two games vs BUXYRS with rules: he choice his race and my race and we start play. Both game he choice for me warlock on HoF 2.0. Its was most weak race on HG but i accept chalenge. 63 Games total. I have here games vs FIREDRAGON-008,KARIM26,WILLGEFORS. They all are good players. So i dont have one game here vs n00bies and mot from my games are vs ppl who know map better. Can you make same? You creat to maps and import in maps "your personal rules". Chek your stats. From 180 games total 90 are on BZ and Genesis. So tell me who are you better from me when you favorize your to maps?
About my skills to play other maps. I dont have any skill But i'm try it. You can ask Fraudatio for my 2 games vs him on Master mind. First game i played blind and aksed him alot for map locations/choices. Second game i did better. Ye i loss both but not make big drama from it. Do you know how i loss second. He was necro me haven. I dont have haste/cleasing/imun magic. So he just cast pupet/blind. My chances in final battle was zero from begining. So map is bad? Totaly imbalance and need new version for fix all this ? OMG i forget to make new post about "UBI sillys".
After end my match with Kispagat we can play Master min if you want. Match from few games all random no other rules. Maybe after it you wll respect me abit more. Not only result say how good play one person.
P.S. Stop blame Infinitus for his ossyr. Almost all my games vs SQ79/Kispagat when they choice hero on HG was ossir and i have alot wins. Hero is good but not invincible. My 1st game vs Infinitus was RMG. Sylvan/ossyr vs Academy/not remember. He has ultimate+mass DV in final battle and i beat him easy. If some one want to use ossyr lets use him. Extra challenge is welcome for me.
p.s.2 I dont have time to correct all mistakes but my english cant suprise ppl more
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 04:40 PM |
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To Jinxer - I played this season vs Willgefors, ChnVimp, Elit, Firedragon, Nerevar, Camoes, Destro. Tell me please they are noobs ?
To Kispagat - random map generated with template 2m. If no, no. I don't feel in need to demonstrate you something. Wow, Sylvan the orcs killers, sound nice ....
To Pera - man i not insist you to take Necro/Vladimir. Take what you want, take orcs with centaurs bonus, i don't care what you do or what you think. It's not my business. I will play vs any hero you choose. You can take even Hagash, Wyngaal. They are not banned in my games. You choose Vladimir, and you play this hero on this map, it's your problem, not mine if you fail.
My game philosophy is simple - no rules, total freedom. If you suspect my in so many crimes, don't play vs me.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted December 19, 2008 04:43 PM |
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How about opponent choses faction and hero for you and vice versa? We played that style a lot on H3 randoms...lot of fun. If you chose Mirlanda for me, I give you Olema If you chose Gurni for me, I give you....Solmyr..
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 06:07 PM |
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"My game philosophy is simple - no rules, total freedom."
And how about this: I don't play custom map, I play only RMG or UBI, I play only sylvan, I play only Ossir, I play only sylvan/academy/orc, I play only Osssir, Haggash or Havez, or at least other hero with their army. - What these example are called? Rules, maybe?
And the reason I am responding is because you wrote: "I was just shocked, this is skill, this is pro ?". And for one person to see lack of skill in other assumes that first one have it. So, show me your skills? Give me a replay of how would you beat those guards with regular hero. If you can't, simple: "sorry" would suffice.
Also, considering the fact that I already turned you down couple of times on playing your RMG template, you proposed I try and if I don't like it we can play other map. And it took me 2 turns to realize how imbalance this map is if you don't take a lot of army, considering the fact that there isn't any experience boosters or prebuild mage guild. So only way for one to play is huge army or super creeper. And you were the only one to know that before we start. And,I told you that map is imbalanced and I don't like it, so we started new, blind game on Avalon, AS WE AGREED.
But here is what you wrote today: "Yesterday i started game on random map 2m vs TOH baron, ex lord last season, in couple of turn he refused to continue - i have no mana, creeps to strong ! I was just shocked, this is skill, this is pro ?"
You were shocked, I refused to play, my skill....
How would you called that my fair and honest champion of TOH? I won't tell you, but you'll get it. This was really nice and I much appreciate it. And if we ever play again, these will be the rules: I pick your hero, you pick mine. No random or UBI map. Don't ask me for a game, unless you are ready for this. And then you will find out how good at this game you really are.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 06:30 PM |
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And how about this: I don't play custom map, I play only RMG or UBI, I play only sylvan, I play only Ossir, I play only sylvan/academy/orc, I play only Osssir, Haggash or Havez, or at least other hero with their army. - What these example are called? Rules, maybe?
No, this is called game setup, or game room. This is like on UBI server, you create game room, select hero, faction and wait opponent to come. Opponent come look to setup, if he like he join game, if not he exit. If you don't like to wait, you join existing game room.
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So, show me your skills? Give me a replay of how would you beat those guards with regular hero. If you can't, simple: "sorry" would suffice.
No replay, no "sorry". Not in mood to teach you, go hot seat mode, do some training ... GL HF
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No random or UBI map. Don't ask me for a game, unless you are ready for this. And then you will find out how good at this game you really are.
no way to play over and over the same custom map, this days random map only.
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Nothing's impossible
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 07:06 PM |
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Well I think you got your answer Infinitus.... as you can see... besides Elit and TowerLord... most everyone else sees picking PowerHeroes only as silly.
So infinitus can continue to use his training wheels ( powerheroes ) all he wants, just dont whine if you have trouble getting games outside of UBI newbies.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 07:11 PM |
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I don't have problems finding game. GL and HF Jinxer, i have nothing against you.
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Nothing's impossible
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted December 19, 2008 07:16 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 19:19, 19 Dec 2008.
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I have no hard feelings towards you either.... I never did. Take Care.
From Drama to mushy in 5.2 secs... PriceLess!
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