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infinitus
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posted December 07, 2008 07:57 PM |
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Haggash baned
To map creators - please don't ban Haggash on your maps. Many players select Haggash as main for centaurs and take in tavern other hero as main.
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insatiable
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Ultimate N00bidity
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posted December 07, 2008 08:02 PM |
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what if map creator dont want centaur bonus as well?
however.. long time passed since TOTE release, ppl have learnt how to cope with barb, more or less..
sure..
as it is..
if i was me..
i would unban most heroes
but is ok with few ban too np
the end
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diegis
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posted December 07, 2008 08:03 PM |
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Im afraid I don't understand if haggash should be banned or not. Also, Why someone take another hero as main, I thought Hagash is the best barbarian hero, or not?
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Elvin
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posted December 07, 2008 08:15 PM |
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The best by far. She is so imbalanced that it's not even funny. Where is the balance when her centaurs can shoot before emeralds(I've seen the whole stack die in a lucky centaur hit but I forget map) and why would I willingly allow my opponent to use her? She might be fine if she did not have the starting initiative bonus.
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insatiable
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posted December 07, 2008 08:18 PM |
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted December 07, 2008 08:22 PM |
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Back in the good old times you only wondered about the gender of elves
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infinitus
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posted December 07, 2008 08:34 PM |
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To Diegis - Haggash is baned by many players ... So as compromise i take Haggash at start of the game, but switch her with hero from tavern.
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insatiable
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Ultimate N00bidity
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posted December 07, 2008 08:40 PM |
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aaaaaaaaah! good'ol'tie'ms
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lord_nerevar
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posted December 07, 2008 09:18 PM |
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I agree with Infinitus.If I chose Ossir or Havez or other power hero ,he can chose Hagash but not to play as main hero.Just to have a bonus of centaurs in beginning.
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Jinxer
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posted December 07, 2008 09:48 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 22:38, 07 Dec 2008.
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I agree with Infinitus.If I chose Ossir or Havez or other power hero ,he can chose Hagash but not to play as main hero.Just to have a bonus of centaurs in beginning.
You guys need to quit needing to be spoon fed! Play like real men! How can you think you have done well creeping when you have 100 centuars and your opponent has 21 sprites lol.. to work with on day 1 of game.
Haggash should be removed from game! The ONLY reason I am not in Ceasar round 2 is because of Haggash. No offense to Jorko.. but he did not beat me. Haggash retardedly silly ability decided game. 460 Haggash centuars shot 1st! Erased all my arcanes.. then his chieftans went.. hitting hit centuars to make them go immediately!!! So 456 Haggash centaurs shot right away again.. before any of my army has even gotten a turn.! So would be the same as saying we give that HUGE initative bonus to ossirs Arcane Archers.. Can you imagine Arcane archers always going 1st! Then having option to should a 2nd time before anyone else gets a turn? Come on.. its plain sillyness! You guys can only see the the easy spoon fed win. EARN YOUR WINS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line, this game should be about players abilities... not the heroes abilities. Otherwise we should have Haggash on rankings page..
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diegis
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posted December 07, 2008 09:54 PM |
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Edited by diegis at 21:56, 07 Dec 2008.
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thats what I wanted to say...haggash not main, wont help opponent alot.
Seems easy trick when haggash is second.
edit: Also not allowing Haggash at all, seems too ... unfair!
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infinitus
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posted December 07, 2008 11:12 PM |
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Jinxer your attitude is not right. According to you all top players are abusers ? Try to play vs Willgefors, he play with any hero vs any hero, no conditions and ... win most of the time ... By the way why you don't have a single game with him ?
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The ONLY reason I am not in Ceasar round 2 is because of Haggash. No offense to Jorko.. but he did not beat me. Haggash retardedly silly ability decided game.
I look your statistic page and i see Jinxer - Jorko score 1-7 ... All this games Jorko play Haggash ? How can you be so sure Jorko win only because of Haggash ?
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Elit
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posted December 07, 2008 11:17 PM |
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For begining ban any heroes from map makers is bad idea. I tell it long time ago 
Second what you have agains Haggash? Lets be serius. Orc is underpowered alot. His lvl 1 is bad for creeping. His lvl 2 is LARGE so can be loss/block easy. His lvl 3 is hell slow. And dark spels kill totaly orc in final battles.
Good example is how Jinxer won his second game in ceasar vs Jorko and start think he can play....
He get dark+Staff of Sar-Issus. Jorko has luck+resitance+Armor of the Forgotten Hero+ dark sahter and he have zero chances. Simple pupet+blind in final battle. Are its fair/balanced when orc cant conter effective dark and almost every game its sure loss vs dark magic. Are Jinxer say any skill and deserve his won? For me not. What hapend game N3. He did same. Get dark+FE+frenzy and try to cast on 3 units. Are its balanced? He cry jorko resist....yes this time he was not incredible lucky to have Staff of Sar-Issus AGAIN! So why the hell Jinxer want to get won when both game he say zero skill and only luck give him won game N2. Haggash give chance to shot 1st and conter dark? Are its imbalanced? For me not...
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Every your post J is piss me alot. Stop cry and learn to play.
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insatiable: Master of mind is very funny map (did 2 cool games with Fraudatio)...but ban Magic fist is bad idea. 1st because its give 100% in mage guilds mines for academy/dungeon/necro and make for them game alot more easy. Second because Magic fist with expert sumon do very good dmg and work vs imun magis units too.
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chn-vimp
Hired Hero
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posted December 08, 2008 05:07 AM |
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come on jinxer~!!!!!!!!
i am agree on this ..u can't ban haggash on genesis~~~~~~~~~~~
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RedSoxFan3
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posted December 08, 2008 05:59 AM |
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This reminds me of when I used to play Smash Brothers Melee competitively.
So many people would complain that Fox, Shiek, and Marth were way overpowered. Many complained that they should be banned. But many, many players were still able to win tournaments or place very high without using these characters.
And btw, the best way to deal with cheap tactics is often with cheap tactics. Once you have proven that you won't lose to cheap tactics or cheap heroes, your opponent will have to do something else.
Jinxer, if you want to be the best, learn to beat Haggash. Simple as that.
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Jinxer
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posted December 08, 2008 07:54 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 07:56, 08 Dec 2008.
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I look your statistic page and i see Jinxer - Jorko score 1-7 ... All this games Jorko play Haggash ? How can you be so sure Jorko win only because of Haggash ?
First of all I never said Jorko sucked. He is a great player.. and yes most of our games we played vs. each other was last season very early on.. before I had 50 games even played and was still very much a newbie. He slaughtered me quite easily then.. Koodos to Jorko. But since then I have improved 10 fold... and at the very least, am as good as him.
In our last 3 games that we played was for Ceasars... both of us at EQUAL skill level.
Game #1 Decided by Extra 15 Titans due to Dragon Art Combo. ZERO skill required to win like that. Not a slam on Jorko... just a fact.
Game #3 We agreed to due strike out... and I figured that also ment we had to take the heroes that strike out game also... that is why I didnt verbally ban Haggash in pre game rules.. but to my suprise week 2 I see he is running with haggash.. then after asking around.. find out that its pointless to include heroes in strike out cause noone is required to use them anyways.. so my lack of knoweldge on how strike out works screwed me there.
@ Elit -- Its true that I was amazed that all 3 of his stacks resisted my rain frenzy BOTH first 2 times I cast it lol. But that is not what lost me the game. The game was already lost before my Hero even got the turn to cast the rain/frenzy.. since 460 Haggash Centuars got to shoot Twice in a row.. first 2 moves outta the gate. So YES Infinitus that is how I am SURE that HAGGASH is why I lost that battle.
But this has nothing to do with jorko and our games.. I merely used it as an example of how silly Haggash is. She doesnt offer any serious battle potential. Just sillyness.
@ Elit again -- I am glad I frustrate you so much. I will sleep better tonight knowing that. I have always been a crusader that has spoken out agasint all the players who like to USE AND ABUSE the game/maps/heroes to get ahead. And have always been targets of flames because of it.
@ Infinitus -- I dont have Wilgefor on my msn.. and never see him online.. which is main reason we have never played. There are lots of people I have never played.. lol..
**** Currently BattleZone still doesnt have Haggash Banned.. so if you NEED her so bad to beable to stay afloat... play there.
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Azagal
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posted December 08, 2008 08:33 AM |
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I have always been a crusader that has spoken out agasint all the players who like to USE AND ABUSE the game/maps/heroes to get ahead.
Then why would you use/abuse rain of arrows+frenzy ? One of the most broken things in this game and easily copareable to how broken Haggash is.
Or would you say that rain of arrows+frenzy is fair or anywhere near balanced??
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Jinxer
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posted December 08, 2008 08:41 AM |
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There are 100 things in this game that are broken... to numerous to list.. And yes I do Agree that Rain/frenzy is definately one of the silly things. But NO WHERE NEAR in the same level as Haggash. Rain Frenzy has things that can counter it. Like Magic Resistance etc. 460 Haggash Centaurs getting to shoot 2 times at start of battle!! There is NO defense for that. That is what makes it soo unacceptable.
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Azagal
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Smooth Snake
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posted December 08, 2008 08:45 AM |
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Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm convinced that Haggash is completely broken as there is no defense for the case you describe. It doesn't take much skill either to get those two actions of your centaurs.
I merely wanted to point out how well
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I have always been a crusader that has spoken out agasint all the players who like to USE AND ABUSE the game/maps/heroes to get ahead.
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And yes I do Agree that Rain/frenzy is definately one of the silly things.
go together.
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infinitus
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posted December 08, 2008 09:19 AM |
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Then why would you use/abuse rain of arrows+frenzy? One of the most broken things in this game and easily copareable to how broken Haggash is.
Not is not. Chance to get dark for Sylvan 2%, also you need to find dark spells, not on all maps this is possible. Also sometime game not offer rain of arrow ... Also orcs like to take shatter dark and magic resistance. But chance to get Haggash is 100%. All i ask is to leave to orcs centaurs bonus. Please
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