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Vangelis21
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posted December 08, 2008 09:31 AM |
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YES i am back!! i will give my lights to you know  so let's start with the fact that "baned" is written with double n!! now to the point. nothing should be banned from the map editors. the players can decide between them and ban anything they want. yes there are a lot of imba things but players should be the judges of that. secondly, YES, the rain of arrows with frenzy is byu far the MOST imba thing in tote
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Lexxan
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posted December 08, 2008 09:32 AM |
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Actually no.
Arcane Archer are. Nuff' said.
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Vangelis21
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posted December 08, 2008 09:41 AM |
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with every good intention and without calling you bad player or anything, arcane archers can be defeated very easily. actually they are the ones i kill first and before they shoot. the ways? swift mind. they stand no chance. with crystal, barrier, frenzy, puppet, blindness, or even a good destructive, or haggash's centaurs or or or. anyway they are not imba. ossir? yes maybe he is. rain of arrows + frenzy is the most imba thing.it can be only prevented with the artifact that makes you immune to frenzy or by undead. pretty logical
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infinitus
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posted December 08, 2008 09:43 AM |
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Welcome back Vangelis, i miss you so match 
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Vangelis21
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posted December 08, 2008 09:45 AM |
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yes i know it was almost too quiet here! and you saw, i agreed with you
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Lexxan
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posted December 08, 2008 09:47 AM |
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with every good intention and without calling you bad player or anything, arcane archers can be defeated very easily.
Yes, but if they shoot they are lethal. They are the most imbalanced thing in this game, especially if we talk offencively.
But yes, they are killed easily, thank god.
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rain of arrows + frenzy is the most imba thing
Thought it IS so hard to gain (which isn't possible on every map, as already said in this thread), can be resisted (especially by Barbarians and Runemages), is a draining enterprise on your mana and might backfire on your own units? Yes, it's Dangerous, but risky as well at least.
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.it can be only prevented with the artifact that makes you immune to frenzy or by undead. pretty logical
Magic Resistance (+ Dwarven Luck?), Shatter Dark, Cleansing/Tent (I always forget which fo those two works against Frenzy), Lay Hands?
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Vangelis21
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posted December 08, 2008 09:51 AM |
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tent doesn't work. when i said prevent i meant 100%, not 20-30%. lastly, if someone asked me , do you wan me to get ossir or to use rain of arrows and leave the archers out? i would choose the second. i have more than 200 games and i know what i am talking about. and how can it come back at your units? with academy's mirror only
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Lexxan
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posted December 08, 2008 09:53 AM |
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Come back?
If they attack your units of course 
well, I'm average at the most, so I can't win this at all
Back to Haggash then.  
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Vangelis21
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posted December 08, 2008 09:59 AM |
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rain of arrows+frenzy is an attack that you do at your first turn and only if the opponent is back. not when they are close to you! they won't hit you. it is the most imba thing. back to dear haggash. by the way ossir is more imba than her.
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Lexxan
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posted December 08, 2008 10:00 AM |
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because of the Rain+Frenzy and Arcanes?
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Vangelis21
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posted December 08, 2008 10:03 AM |
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yes, plus their crazy initiative
also, against dark magic using factions i would prefer telsek or kragh, her centaurs can be taken quicky with puppet or frenzy
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Lexxan
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posted December 08, 2008 10:10 AM |
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yeah, that's correct. but would that make any Ranger more dangerous than Haggash? (even Dirael or Talanar? lol)
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Azagal
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posted December 08, 2008 10:10 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 10:12, 08 Dec 2008.
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Rain of arrows+frenzy the Ranger still lost and as you can clearly see the Barbarian didn't have shatter dark. And before I hear any remarks on how either of the players made mistakes don't boarder telling me since it's really not the place here.
All I did was cool Jinxer down a little bit showing him how his words conflicted and rain of arrows+frenzy happend to be my point. There was no need for anyone to start discussing how imba rain of arrows+frenzy is.
EDIT: Haggash initiative bonus is broken, it's as simple as that. Jinxer has already described the common scenario and I think one can agree that that is far from reasonable/balanced/fair/skillful.
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Vangelis21
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posted December 08, 2008 10:13 AM |
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only ossir is more imba than haggash. not the others. although the girl with the unicorns is a killer too.
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Lexxan
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posted December 08, 2008 10:14 AM |
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only ossir is more imba than haggash. not the others. although the girl with the unicorns is a killer too.
Yeah, as I'm specialized in playig Sylvan, I have to agree that those two are the best. 
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infinitus
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posted December 08, 2008 10:23 AM |
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Even Telsek can beat Ossir, hear is the replay Telsek vs Ossir
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Azagal
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posted December 08, 2008 10:25 AM |
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Yes this is all very well. And now back to opinions on Haggash.
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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Vangelis21
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posted December 08, 2008 10:29 AM |
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everyone can beat everyone, depends on the players though. so replays mean nothing. who played means something.and there is a big difference if you have artifacts or not.against sylvan, if you have no initiative artifacts you are dead
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Elit
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posted December 08, 2008 10:41 AM |
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Haggash start with 25-30 Centaur. I can choice any hero and get him from taver for example. Its will help me alot...but if hero is baned i cant get this extra army.
Haven have few same heroes:
1. Ellaine start with 80-100 Peasants and give x2 more gold. Its give 200gc from day 1 and alot more for all game. Prety good second hero from tavern!
2. Dougal start with ~24 archers and amo card. Its good for main or secondary hero from tavern.
Both heroes give good extra army. Why not ban them too?
Academy have his Havez. Start with 80 gremlens. Perfect secondary hero and not bad for main.
Dungeon:
1. Kythra(250 gold+9 Minotaurs=best dungeon hero for Samiekl)perfect for get in tavern
2.Yrwanna start with 9 Blood Maidens. Perfekt for main or get from tavern.
3. Vayshan start with 25-30 Scouts. Its alot army
Fortress
1.Ebba 9-12 Bears !!! Its can help alot in begining
2.Ingvar 60-70 Defenders. This hero no need comment
3.Karli ~30 Spearwielders and amo card!
Necro have Orson start with ~30 zombies.
Sylvan:
1.Gilraen 15-21 Bladen dancers.
2.Ossir 9-12 Hunters.
Now tell me how balanced is to ban on maps Haggash when he give good starting army and not ban all other heroes from other races. Orc have hard start if not get WM. He can loss his army week 1 very easy. In real orc have very bad creeping befor up 6-7 lvls and if not get WM will be horible for him.
Hope picture is abit more clear now.
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Azagal
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posted December 08, 2008 10:48 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 10:49, 08 Dec 2008.
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That is all very well and you may be correct concerning the numbers. So perhaps Haggash should only be banned as a main hero. But I think you get the idea of what Jinxer already explained to us. Centaurs acting first, etc. nobody wants to ban Haggash because of her creeping army but because of her ridicolous initiative bonus.
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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