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Elit
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posted December 19, 2008 07:20 PM |
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Well I think you got your answer Infinitus.... as you can see... besides Elit and TowerLord... most everyone else sees picking PowerHeroes only as silly.
Correct me but where i'm say ppl need use only power heroes? All what i tell is ppl need to can choice if they want.
Look from other side. You tell Infinitus can play only sylvan/ossyr and cant play other. So If you force him to play other ....its like to get cheap won. If he play all time Sylvan/ossyr and you beat him all time with different races/heros he will respect you more and more.
I dont care if "A" can play all races well or B can play only with strong heroes. Its normal ppl to can chocie if they want.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 07:29 PM |
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Still your map, Jinxer is crap compared to random map 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted December 19, 2008 07:33 PM |
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I can understand your wanting to abuse power heroes but saying that jinxer's maps suck compared to RMG is just bs.
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joetheloser
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posted December 19, 2008 07:33 PM |
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It is baffling to me how someone who enjoys playing RANDOM MAPS so much, plays NON-RANDOM town/hero.
For me, playing random maps is all about having a NEW and DIFFERENT game each time. But if I played Ossir/Ingvar/Havez/haggash (ug I never use her as main anymore, even when going "random" and she is in tavern...too much of a 'hack') everytime...that "new and different" aspect drops down significantly.
I'm willing to try new setups everytime, anywhere from "Strong monsters -- L" to "impossible monsters Impossible size"(although "impossible monsters" on some templates just becomes a game of using MAGIC exploits)
Underground -- sure, why not? (except it is still a little broken in RMG)...but as long as you don't start in the golden terrain underground, it is fine.
Water -- ok..why not?
Grail -- sure, if you like
The VARIABILITY is what makes the game FUN (for me). Going RANDOM EVERYTHING is what makes it CHALLENGING (and fun).
I agree with you Destro...if someone insists on "choosing" and I have to "counter" I feel dirty. Especially since they usually end up picking first (I start all games with random everything checked and ready to go, to show my inentions). Depending on the player, I'll just let them pick and go random anyway (unless it's haggash..then I'm forced to counter)
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all in all: I agree with you Jinxer (there..you happy?)
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Towerlord
Promising
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posted December 19, 2008 07:39 PM |
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Jinxer, I don't think it's a possitive thing that he play only powerheroes, but you heard the man ... he allows Wyngaal. So when he takes Ossir just smack him with Wyngaal, or any hero that you wish to.
I think you are being too hard on Infinitus, since you play super-power race dwarfs very often, also you use Ingvar, and so on... if you were an inferno player I would understand, but like this, you're no better than him.
I am pro random, but if a guy wants to choose I can find a counter.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 08:11 PM |
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And how about this: I don't play custom map, I play only RMG or UBI, I play only sylvan, I play only Ossir, I play only sylvan/academy/orc, I play only Osssir, Haggash or Havez, or at least other hero with their army. - What these example are called? Rules, maybe?
No, this is called game setup, or game room. This is like on UBI server, you create game room, select hero, faction and wait opponent to come. Opponent come look to setup, if he like he join game, if not he exit. If you don't like to wait, you join existing game room.
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So, show me your skills? Give me a replay of how would you beat those guards with regular hero. If you can't, simple: "sorry" would suffice.
No replay, no "sorry". Not in mood to teach you, go hot seat mode, do some training ... GL HF
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No random or UBI map. Don't ask me for a game, unless you are ready for this. And then you will find out how good at this game you really are.
no way to play over and over the same custom map, this days random map only.
Hehe. You truely are living in your own special world, aren't you? Game setup but not rules? Can do it, but won't because not in the mood. Have time to play UBI but not for custom map, over and over again. Not buls... but ...
Truly inspiring  Ever try competing in oration. How knows, maybe they would let you choose same topic over and over again. 
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 08:42 PM |
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Game setup is something you choose clicking game interface, like choosing hero, map etc ... Rules are just words used by Jinxer or you Pera to fool people... You see now the difference ? By the way the right one, why do you play vs me only power heroes, last our game you are Havez, in another Hagash ... By own standards you are a cheater man.
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fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 08:42 PM |
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Destro hit the nail right ontop of the head.
You miss by a mile when you attack Elit in this Jinxer, sorry, about all the other stuff you say I agree though
At least i rate Elit as amongst no 2-4 best players in ToH, way in front of you and me. Elit agreed to play MM blind versus me, when I had like 6-8 games there, which is really top class admirable, and doesn`t fit in with your photoshop-edited picture of him :-)
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted December 19, 2008 08:45 PM |
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Rules are just words used by Jinxer or you Pera to fool people...
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perathekojot
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posted December 19, 2008 08:56 PM |
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Game setup is something you choose clicking game interface, like choosing hero, map etc ... Rules are just words used by Jinxer or you Pera to fool people... You see now the difference ? By the way the right one, way do you play vs me only power heroes, last our game you are Havez, in another Hagash ... By own standards you are a cheater man.
Busted
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted December 19, 2008 11:23 PM |
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been trying to player Strider for months now! We have a clan war going for 6 plus months now.. and he always has some excuse to be busy when I ask for game
Jinx, leave me out of this - you haven't even given a squeak about our game for last 6 months 
About the subject of the thread. First, none of setups is better in terms of fun. ANYTHING is fine as long as both players agree. Secondly, by rule of large numbers, in long term all-random produces more comprehensive indicator about one's skill simply because with non-power heroes the creeping is quite harder. Generally (with rare exceptions), creeping speed and effectiveness is alpha and omega of win at the end of game.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 20, 2008 09:41 AM |
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To Destro - Most poetic imba talk ever, Ossir is imba, i feel dirty. How many replays with Ossir loosing i have to post here on TOH to change your dirty feeling ? I will try to save you, coming soon mega pack of replays with Ossir loosing.
Your "feel dirty" attitude look week, i remember football world competition in Korea ... Teams that loosed to Korea team, says they loose unfair, cos arbiters favor Korea. And what says germans ? Np, we will beat Korean in any condition, no mater what ... This is man attitude, not "i feel dirty" ...
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Again nothing personal Infinitus (you know I will play you as ossir np have a few times before)
Sure, you have no problems to use vs my Ossir Havez with staff+ring combo like in our last game. Do you feel dirty using staff+ring combo ?
I remember the time then Hour Glass map dominate TOH, AntiHG tread changed a lot things, no ? Was big resistance too, but things changed a lot on TOH. Now is time to hero choose and random map to take the right place. I think this tread will do the job. I hope so ....
I played a lot Genesis, most of games on Genesis was win for me, then i realize how imba is Academy on that map. I have option to continue play this map, easy to find opponent, easy points. But is boring for me to go each game over and over the same path. Go mines > dwelings > second town > utopia > light magic book > 1 hour border guard fight > teleport home > repeat this with other border guards > 5-10 hours gone from my life ... It's funny for Jinxer maybe ... It's harder to find opponent for random map game but i prefer to play 1 game on random map to 10 "zombi walking" on Genesis ... And i feel ok, no dirty 
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Elit
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posted December 20, 2008 09:57 AM |
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I remember the time then Hour Glass map dominate TOH, AntiHG tread changed a lot things, no ? Was big resistance too, but things changed a lot on TOH. Now is time to hero choose and random map to take the right place. I think this tread will do the job. I hope so ....
I played a lot Genesis, most of games on Genesis was win for me, then i realize how imba is Academy on that map. I have option to continue play this map, easy to find opponent, easy points. But is boring for me to go each game over and over the same path. Go mines > dwelings > second town > utopia > light magic book > 1 hour border guard fight > teleport home > repeat this with other border guards > 5-10 hours gone from my life ... It's funny for Jinxer maybe ... I prefer to play 1 game on random map to 10 "zombi walking" on Genesis ... And i feel ok, no dirty
Actualy alot ppl continue play HG because map is realy very well balanced and give good chance for all races. Mentored/WM heroes cant abuse map. You have enough spel places to get what you need and use no native town spels. Alot places for suicde
So far i'm continue get resurect 1 game from 10 but its hapend to me on all maps 
This topic did part from his job...but now its again personal argue place. Realy no need to argue from noting for noting.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 20, 2008 10:01 AM |
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Sure, Elit, HG is good map, one of the best... My conclusion in AntiHG was - very good map, remember ? Still HG no more dominate TOH.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 20, 2008 03:28 PM |
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Infinitus... you have nothing agasint me ehh? Is that why you continue to attack my Map Genesis... You just keep proving how INEXPERIENCED you really are. I have played Genesis 31 times.. and almost every game is different in some way.. Circumstances never lets me take same path every game. Maybe if I played OSSIR every game I would beable to play it the exact same way... but since I dont ... the game experence is different and offers differnt challanges each game. So if it makes you feel good to attack the map... then so be it. But I am not afraid.. cause I know that most of others that actually play it without Ossir or Havez every game... knows the many possibilities the map offeres.
For example.. if you was really good... you would take Town #2 first week. Your order of things to do is flawed.. I have never been brave enough or good enough to try it.. But CHN-Vimp just took it week 1 vs. me. But how is that possible, when there is only 1 obvious path??? Well there is only 1 obvious path for players like you that only play the same way every game. Play the same heroes the same strategies. You just proved how limited your skill at this game really is.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 20, 2008 04:54 PM |
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Infinitus... you have nothing agasint me ehh? Is that why you continue to attack my Map Genesis...
Actualy map is crap. Main from your stupid balances. Easy for abuse with mentor. Easy for get all important stufs. Bad guard for second town. Can be killed with some races early from other cant. Evil races here are weak comapre good. Do you need more arguments Jinxer?
In short all your current and future maps are in my black list.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 20, 2008 06:57 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 19:58, 20 Dec 2008.
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all your current and future maps are in my black list.
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They were anyways elit... you only know how to play Hourglass.. you already admitted that
And again.. until you actually play a map 5 + times... you really dont have the right to offer such strong opinions. Cause you cant possibly know what the map has all to offer.
For example.. memory mentor is extremely hard to get to... if you even have time to get to it... doesnt mean you will have time or money.. and if you do go for it you will need to sacrifice couple relics etc... and the water guards are really hard.
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Fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted December 20, 2008 07:37 PM |
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lol, you are touchy when it comes to balance Elit Your maps are great Jinxer, but we all know, there are just a couple of exceptions to the rule
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted December 20, 2008 08:03 PM |
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Jinxer's map are good.
I gotta admit, but when it comes to balance, there are some parts i disagree abit.
Ring and staff on same slot in genesis is good idea anyway.
Banning pendant of mastery in genesis wasn't too good, haven is far from strong, even with pendant,i doubt they can have a decent chance against dwarfs in genesis. But that's just my views
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 20, 2008 08:12 PM |
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I have won most of the time I play haven... Easy to get 100 Champions there. So with Pendant just WOW... and to be honest.. Acadamy and Sylvan are the reason I banned the pendant. Mini arts are already to dominate for acadamy... if you let players make the mini arts for practically free with Pendant then that makes even more unbalance. And sylvan is obviously way strong always... with 3 favorite enemies.. giving Sylvan a 4th favorite enemy is well.. just sending the balance the wrong way lol.
I am always up for any advice from serious people like SQ and Fraud and Fiur etc.. for things to balance and make map better. Constructive critisim that makes sense is always welcome
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