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posted December 22, 2008 05:18 PM |
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Feedback on THIS
Delete this thread.
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DagothGares
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posted December 22, 2008 05:25 PM |
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Three things:
numero uno: Even though there is so much info, you still failed with your attempt with a BB code  EDIT: fixed both probs
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I quickly learn that hardly anybody does this. I read HUNDREDS of posts. Very often someone or another is jumping in the conversation and hasn't bothered to look back. Many things are repeated, talked about twice or more. Why post if you don't know what is even going on? Are people so eager to get stupid yellow stars that they will post about anything? You all should make a new folder/thread: "Spammers guide to Yellow Stars"
It's very hard to do this in the "I gave up on believing in God and some other RPG's... I just want you to count in the human factor that reading five pages of tireless quote wars can be very brutal on your state of mind 
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I learn that the Mod's don't like it when people make threads that have already been made. They say to do a search on a topic and if it doesn't exist THEN you can make the thread. But if it does exist then you should post in that thread. Oh, but we don't like it when people revive old threads either. Make up your minds!
I entirely agree  
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posted December 22, 2008 05:31 PM |
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DEAL!
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posted December 22, 2008 05:39 PM |
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I learn that the Mod's don't like it when people make threads that have already been made. They say to do a search on a topic and if it doesn't exist THEN you can make the thread. But if it does exist then you should post in that thread. Oh, but we don't like it when people revive old threads either. Make up your minds!
I entirely agree
Not really the point. If someone casts "animate dead" on a 24 year old thread with a post like this: Quote:
Yes I agree, pikeman are the best level 1 creeps
, you can expect the Mod being a bit "upset". Creating a new thread with a topic which is handled in the first 2 or 3 pages of that subforum in at least 1 other thread is a circumstance which will brings us up on the screen with that "First search, then create" phrase. No one needs to revive a 1 or 2 year old thread if he has interesting facts/opinions to post. It will be hard to find the old threads in the deeper woods here on board. Maybe a member or a Mod will find the old thread when reading the new one, and links it into the new one so all could read the earlier statements.
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posted December 22, 2008 05:42 PM |
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I quickly learn that hardly anybody does this. I read HUNDREDS of posts. Very often someone or another is jumping in the conversation and hasn't bothered to look back. Many things are repeated, talked about twice or more. Why post if you don't know what is even going on? Are people so eager to get stupid yellow stars that they will post about anything? You all should make a new folder/thread: "Spammers guide to Yellow Stars"
Are you talking about the OSM "discussions" or the OSM "Quote Wars" or something else?
Except the Quote Wars and very long OSM threads I do try read every post on the sub-forums I visit. But you have to understand that some painful long threads (mostly the Quote Wars ones) are simply too much. Actually I really feel sorry for the OSM Mods who have to read all of that
And you talk about how much hate some members have here while having hate towards them yourself:Quote:
There ARE some really cool people here. & then there are the others. With that being said, you know who you are and what you contribute or don't. So if you take offense to what I am saying, well then you know where you stand don't you. 
I apologize in advance if I misunderstood your above quote.
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posted December 22, 2008 06:15 PM |
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Agree with Angelito's response and nearly everything Father said, except this:
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One in particular continues to get under my skin. Why is there no accountability to each individual that starts a thread???? Whoever starts it should stay on top of it and finish it through to the end. Not only that, but there should be clear cut instructions on how that person would like that thread to go.
There are several problems with this idea. First, thread creators may lose interest in a thread - why should they have to keep posting? Second, TCs may just ask a question and then have it answered, but then that spurs a discussion. Why should the TC be forced to participate. Third, threads really don't have an "end". People just stop posting in them. Of all the debates I have had in the OSM, only one had a real "end". All the rest just kind of grew stale.
Once a thread is created, it is no longer TC's, except in very specific cases when it is personally about TC or clearly supposed to be about a certain subject. Threads should be able to drift, though, unless the TC wants it to concentrate on a particular subject.
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Cepheus
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posted December 22, 2008 06:39 PM |
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I do agree with you about the thread-closing scenario, but only in given circumstances. The only thing I take issue with is a position in which the person posts a thread with questions and is redirected to a Q&A topic immediately with no chance to respond or be responded to. Sort of discouraging...
That doesn't happen much in any of these forums though.
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posted December 22, 2008 06:42 PM |
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Weeeheeee! Go Father let it all out!! Haaha I like stuff like this^^. Heehe I don't really know you since I seldom find a thread that interests me while your in it. But I always thought you were a peaceful kinda slow (not mentally more like slow in "easygoing") so this is quite the surprise. And I like it heehe^^.
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With that being said, you know who you are and what you contribute or don't. So if you take offense to what I am saying, well then you know where you stand don't you.
YEAH!!I like your attitude^^.
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There are too many haters here. Too many people that just care about little yellow stars and spam the hell out of every thread they can get their fingers on.
No there aren't too many haters here. Sorry it's not true. We have people who are haters and we also have fanatics (uhhh what diversity) yeah. But in the community here we don't have haters.
Of course in the wide range of subjects we talk about here on HC (and that's not just in the OSM!) somewhere someone is always bound to have a clash of opinions.
And some perhaps feel very strong about their opinion and are not entirely/or not at all able to keep a straight face in their post so they'll SHOUT, c****, insult people (not with obvious stuff as dickhead but in more subtle ways [that are still obvious insults if you can read between the lines^^]) or whatever it is you'd take as an indication for being haters.
But that doesn't mean that this person will be as civil as friendly as your best friend in the next topic, you know?
We're all humans here (well except for Celf and... ah nevermind ) so up to a certain level I think one can bare with people, don't you think? They'll usually see their mistakes if they are stated and explained in a reasonable manner. And if they don't we'll then you have a better view of that person don't you?
But take it from somebody who's been here a little longer than you we don't have haters in the community (community not meaning HC since we have ZJ, FF, etc.). We really don't Father.
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Does anybody lurk in a thread before they post!?
Heehe I for one do most of the time ^^. Unless I see something that I outrageously disagree with/agree with whichfore the "reason" part of my brain can't convince the rest of my brain which is already flooded with all sorts of replies^^. But yeah I'm working on that (again we're all mostly human here).
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Members need to really take a step back and pay more attention to quality rather than quantity. Your damaging your forum and causing more harm than good IMO.
You are right. But please don't believe that this means anything is going to change^^. Don't get me wrong I agree completely with you but you see HC has a kind of "Status quo".
People are content with the state of how things are therefore this place doesn't really move. I mean we have a place to talk about "improvements of HC" or something or "What change could HC use" but I can really only smile when I see those things because not a thing will change. Maybe for a week or two at max but in the end everything goes back to the "Status Quo".
Newbies who come here often have "fire" in the beginning (as this wonderful thread shows^^) and are motivated and enthusiastic etc. but eventually it will die because they are contend with how things are or they'll simply be frustrated with the majority of "fireless" people (as your thread and a one of Ash a while back shows) and they succumb to the "not careing" that is the Status Quo here. There are only few in my very personal opinion who's fires aren't out.
If a fire is out that doesn't mean one is a bad person or anything^^ it's just that one.... well in a way the person is dead. Aaaah this sounds so wrong but please forgive me that I can't express this state probably . You don't push forward anymore which you should.
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posted December 22, 2008 07:34 PM |
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Father:
I can only think of three circumstances in which a thread should be closed: if it concerns a member personally and that member doesn't want it discussed, if it becomes a den of incivility with members insulting each other left and right, or if it is small and duplicates an existing thread or belongs in a thread that already exists.
And Azagal is right. We really don't have many haters. At least, not in the conventional sense. (Although some people in the OSM give the impression that they like successful people the way Hitler liked the Jews. ) We have the occasional ZJ/FF or KD, but they are the exception rather than the rule.
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Does anybody lurk in a thread before they post!?
I usually don't. Either a thread attracts me immediately, or I don't read it.
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I view the thread closing as a good thing. Newbies need to learn how things work at HC. Use the questions topic, people.
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DagothGares
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posted December 22, 2008 08:10 PM |
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It is really cool to read about other view points and ideas. Ones that agree or disagree either way
Freedom of speech only matters when someone voices opinions you dislike.
Anyway, I definitely get Azzie's burn. I had that as well in the glade. I tried desperately to make the thing live, but everyone just deserted their RP's for a month, it seemed... Now, it is fully alive, if I put some effort in it, now, but that's the thing! I hardly want to anymore, since I will probably get little out of it 
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posted December 22, 2008 08:44 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 20:47, 22 Dec 2008.
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My reason for this was pretty much just from the whole homosexual issue. Like in the gay marriage thread. I mean, dang...it has been a while since I seen such closed minded, ignorant, puffed up, outlandish, self righteous bs!
Oh just don't take this stuff too seriously
I mean, it's not like if you got angry and entered a quote/flame war with those people you would have changed anything... it's just an internet forum for discussion and not for insults. People that get angry in the OSM should chill out and remember that they don't have anything to gain by insulting or attacking other members, even if they disagree completely with some other person - it's just a forum for discussion, which should be calm and civilized. It's not about the rules of the forum, because even if flaming was allowed, starting a war with some other people is not beneficial for you. What do you have to gain, apart from getting angry and 'suffer' (in a way)?
But maybe I sound like a hypocrite, since I once made the same mistake and took it too serious in that Abortion thread, and I got a little angry. So please if you read my posts there keep this in mind that it's not really how I am usually at all - that's more like my negative part who shows very rarely its ugly head, and I plan to not awake it ever again (I made a thread for apologizing about that, but it was in the VW and got deleted)
So yes you could consider me a hypocrite, but at least I did receive 'enlightenment' about this (quote)war-related stuff and I hope the other non-chill OSM posters should try to understand this as well  If not for your own reputation as a civilized member, than for your own 'health', since getting angry doesn't bring you anything good.
We all make mistakes and I did as well. I would understand if someone would make a wrong impression on me because of those mistakes I made in the past, but I hope not since I try to get away from that by keeping those negative parts from me in a deep pit, never to be heard of again.
Peace everyone 
EDIT: Oh sorry my mistake: not only in the Abortion thread, but also sometimes in the Nation States one.
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posted December 22, 2008 08:51 PM |
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Dagoth, exactly why the quality of posts is so important. I have not ventured into the RP areas (as I have had my fill of that). But I can see in areas and threads when people start something up, it is a real let down when people just let it die. Either due to spamming or off topic posts, or just lack of posts all together.
I have seen in many cases though, that this is due to the actual TC and no one else. That is even more discouraging if it is a thread your trying to join in and participate.
See? Normally I would call you out on not-being a glade person, but I don't even do that anymore (okay, I did it indirectly, but who cares for that?) and, in the defense of glade threads, it's really hard and needs coordination to drive plots with antagonist characters.
Could you give an example of a thread you frequented that had a lacking TC? Maybe I'll understand better then
(so that's why the monarchy is a little slow people don't worry, I have a small surprise for the members there)
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posted December 22, 2008 09:34 PM |
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Cepheus:
I view the thread closing as a good thing. Newbies need to learn how things work at HC. Use the questions topic, people.
And get ignored, overlooked, or sent off to browse for the answer through the seventy preceding pages of questions and answers already inside. Spiffy.
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posted December 22, 2008 09:38 PM |
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They don't have to read all of that, maybe just the first post, but at least post their problem there instead of a making a new thread.
Well at least that's how I understand Alc's system.
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posted December 22, 2008 09:40 PM |
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I don't have a problem with Alc's system. Questions are usually answered before duplicate topics are closed in the Temple and Altar. This is hypothetical - I'm not even saying it happens here (any more ).
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posted December 22, 2008 10:08 PM |
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They can ask questions that have already been asked. They don't have to scour the Questions thread. But they shouldn't make separate topics.
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posted December 22, 2008 10:24 PM |
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...So your saying that if we have a subject that has already been posted in the past, we should make a new one if the previous thread is just too old?
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Then leave it up to the Mod (or even a member) to decide if he/she links them up or not? What would be the line there? 6 months, 1 year?
I think there isn't a time limit (at least not for me), but rather a "page" limit. I think I can expect a member to just check around the first 5-10 pages of a subforum (only the thread subjects are important here!) to see if the idea is already posted. If a thread is hiding deeper than those given amount of pages, creating a new is fine. But of course this isn't a fix rule. Mods will decide each case for itself. But I think if u take those numbers and try to be as close as possible to those, you will be fine when creating a new thread. Of course this "rule" only counts for subforums which have enough pages already..
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posted December 22, 2008 10:32 PM |
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they shouldn't make separate topics.
But if they do, they shouldn't be shown the door or ignored.
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posted December 22, 2008 10:48 PM |
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There are haters here got that right. But you have to notice that being a hater isn't wrong, assaulting other people is.
I say I hate jews or gays or black people. That is a personal opinion and shouldn't be censored or penalised. But if I say all jews, gays and black people are ******* idiots I should be.
You shouldn't be offended by the first in any case. If you do you should look yourself in the mirror. With the second you have the right to be angry but is it really worth it? This is an internet forum after all.
PS. Pistachio thread deserved to be spammed to oblivion.
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posted December 22, 2008 11:39 PM |
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This is just a forum where people who like heroes games come to talk about heroes games. Those parts of the forum are very robust (healthy).
So what do you find missing?
To me it's wishful thinking to expect more than that. Sometimes I have fun with some of the word/picture games.
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