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Elit
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posted December 29, 2008 11:45 AM |
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6 creeping replays with Wyngaal in my game 1 and 2 vs Infinitus.
http://rapidshare.com/files/177794516/Replays.zip
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 11:47 AM |
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It seems like academy was at least 10 days ahead and partially this is due to the start .
No, game progress was equal, in middle game Elit have strong army, dragons, upgraded treants - full set army ... Only mistake of Elit was no experience on 2m ...
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What can wyngaal possibly do about it in creeping? giving an ini bonus to sprites and few dancers? to kill what with them?
I tell you what  In second game i have Redwood Observatory with nice view on Elite zone, so i know some facts about Elit creeping On week one he take Sylvan Military Post, this is not good creep power ?
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RMG is like lottery in the beginning , and the first 2 weeks are decisive
No lottery, only skill and some luck like on any map... From experience i win 90% of games to low rank players... And loose to ChnVimp 100%  Lottery ? Play more RMG...
Theory is nice, but this topic is pure practice results ...
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 11:49 AM |
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This is not a good guide on wyngaal, basically it just shows the power creeping heroes ability in random maps and the luck lottery draw when getting 2nd 3rd or 4th town
I have battle against double army in rmg once and opponent got 1 extra native town though ... Makes a huge difference if u ask me.
Not a good guide at all, its too luck based, the lucky one who gets extra native town gets absolute advantage all game.
Give wyngaal same or 80% of army this game and expert light, and he'll smash the hell outta academy i'm sure 
Give wyngaal 20 attack and same army, and he'll win this battle near perfect 
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 12:01 PM |
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The creeping is not only on week 1, but since we cover week 1 creeping with havez, let's see what he can do on week 1,
Take on druids, master hunters etc when he has first aid tent and ballista with motw elritch arrow
Maybe some pack of nightmares
And sev level 7 none blackies and emeralds.
Wyngaal is courting suicide basically if he does that
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted December 29, 2008 12:03 PM |
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No lottery, only skill and some luck like on any map... From experience i win 90% of games to low rank players...
Wow your data evaluation is impeccable - you can defeat newbies so this proves everything. The fact that everyone has seen some things while you are seemingly oblivious to them should give some hints.. I don't know where exactly you saw the balance in that match even if elit does not have any 2m experience.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 12:32 PM |
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I don't know where exactly you saw the balance in that match even if elit does not have any 2m experience.
Like Elit say - 95% of Heroes 5 final battles are not even close ...
Enjoy the game, coming soon other replays
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 01:59 PM |
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After some thinking .... Ok, ok i agree Wyngaal are not broken on random maps, he is broken maybe on super balanced custom maps
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 03:51 PM |
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I suggest we all just leave Infinitus to his own fantasy world where he is actually skilled and good at this game.
Lets sum up Infinitus skill shall we.....
--He plays ONLY Power Heroes... and promises NEW replays coming soon... then when the new replay comes.. low and behold.. it is with power Hero! No BODY cares anymore. Its NOT impressive to see you winning with POWERHeroes.
--He now plays ONLY 2m Random Map which he has mastered and memorized and learned how to exploit it versus mostly Newbies. ( which he admitted to) WOW... never seen anyone soooo proud of them self... and bragging soo much about how good they are that they can beat up on newbies.
--In the few games that he doesnt play newbies... he challanges good players like Elit... to a game.. again.. ONLY on 2m.. where he suggests an obvious uneven matchup where he knows he has the clear advantage. REAL Risky!! hahahaha Your living on the edge Infinitus!
Lets face it Infinitus... post after post.. all your peers have pointed out how flawed your thinking is.. yet you continue to try and convince everyone that you are great.. and your ONLY way of playing is normal.
YOUR TOH record has got to be the most UNrealistic representation of a players skill level.. that I have ever seen. Kinda like in boxing.. where a boxer fights all the bad amateurs and has a record of 56-0 all KO's... But if he actually fights a REAL BOXER.. he goes down! So to avoid this obvious fall from grace.. he must avoid serious fights.. so he can maintain the Illusion of himself actually being good.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 04:01 PM |
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How many games you own on other maps than your own?
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted December 29, 2008 06:00 PM |
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This is a joke topic from what I see... and the replay is a total waste of time to watch.
If you are trying to prove Wyngaal is not unbalanced, do it in a map where he is powerful, and preferably a map where your opponent knows what he's doing. Otherwise this topic is just a trick to get free wins in uneven conditions.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 06:27 PM |
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This time Wyngaal (Elit) got one more sylvan town ... Also was two weeks of hunters ! This happen in a bit comic way, i buy twice week of golems, after that each time appear for free hunter week ! Still Havez was extremely-mega lucky, he dominate totally map, 5 towns in his possession vs 2 for Wyngaal ... Boots of swift journey, Armour of forgotten hero, path of war, Sar-Issus Regalia full set, ring of speed, ring of celerity, Sandals of the Blessed, mini arts at maximum and many other cool staff We played battle twice, one time for TOH, other time for fun ... Infinitus-Elit(Wyngaal)2, Infinitus-Elit2 alternative history
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 29, 2008 06:43 PM |
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This time Wyngaal (Elit) got one more sylvan town ... Also was two weeks of hunters ! This happen in a bit comic way, i buy twice week of golems, after that each time appear for free hunter week !
Thank for week 3 double grow hunters. Its help me alot For sure you are very lucky last 2 games. Both you have log with academy what is very rare. I was lucky this game too....game offer me light magic befor lvl 19 so i success manage 1 mass spel for final battle. About resurect/haste maybe i will find it next game 
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted December 30, 2008 08:54 AM |
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Just got time between games with Elit to watch his creep replays, big thanks for sharing creep experience ... Only six replays ? Need more ............ One question - on assault of Sylvan Military Post neutral druids sometime can move before our archers, hi chances to loose archers in this case. Acceptable looses ?
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted December 30, 2008 12:17 PM |
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Just got time between games with Elit to watch his creep replays, big thanks for sharing creep experience ... Only six replays ? Need more ............ One question - on assault of Sylvan Military Post neutral druids sometime can move before our archers, hi chances to loose archers in this case. Acceptable looses ?
Nope, if you have druids too they move before the druids from military post and so does your hero, so they die before they hit the archers.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted December 30, 2008 12:48 PM |
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In both replays I was struck by the high attack and defense of the wizard... on the same level with the ranger ... I cannot understand how that happens, either Elit has the crappiest artifacts on earth, or he doesn't have Enlightment ... ?!
Oh.. and second game is decided by Summoning Magic which is not appropriate for this kind of battle, and the bigger stacks on Elit's side.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted December 30, 2008 01:51 PM |
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Nope, if you have druids too they move before the druids from military post and so does your hero, so they die before they hit the archers.
How do you figure that happening ? Can you charm the initial randomizing of ATB ?
There's odds of it happening just as you described it, but it's not a rule of thumb.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted December 30, 2008 02:22 PM |
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Dunno if it's a rule of thumb or not, but every time i had druids in my army, both the hero and them moved before the druids in the post. When i didn't have druids, the archers never shot before the druids.
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted December 30, 2008 02:27 PM |
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actually, keeping archers in fight was due to the wingaal bonus on ini. it was less risky with his speciality, and also, the quick combat result can give you an idea , slight one, if the druids hit before the archers then u may know what to keep on the battlefield and what not, in order to increase chances to strike first with a particular unit before other particular unit, not entirely controllable of course.
without wingaal, dunno if he ever succeeds or could have been a risky business, the damage made by all archers during entire fight was a mandatory condition to avoid suicide there, otherwise damage done/HP < 1 before all creature go down. I can bet here high stakes that Elit entered the fight saying " what the heck, it's not my first and definitely not my last kamikaze action, why won't i give it a chance, besides i desperately need that dwell, so the game could be over either way ". If you ask me , i'd rather suicide there than consuming some serious amount of time to not have a close fight in the end on the other hand , not many points involved this time, so i understand him
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted December 30, 2008 02:48 PM |
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I noticed out of first 4 strikes, no luck with 4 luck, imagine 2 of them trigger
That's wyngaal. Stats for level 22 sylvan looks bad, most likely no englightment, i noticed he went for leadership and aura?
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 31, 2008 01:12 AM |
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Game n3 are in progres. Its going crazy for now. I'm control 8 towns Infinitus only 1. So far he have full dragon set  I'm wonder how to beat him
Here is few creeping replays again. In battle N11 i did mistake and its cost me alot
http://rapidshare.com/files/178305798/Replays2.zip
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