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Jinxer
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posted January 29, 2009 06:40 PM |
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hmmm... why does it have to be black or white? Either Roll the dice to see who win.. or go play chess  Lets create a game that it motivated by majority of skill and ability and game understanding with a small hint and dusting of some lucky aspects to add some flare to the game. That would be idea in my mind.
For example. Once you max out at 7 Luck etc.. then each unit in your army should ONLY beable to get 3 total lucky hits MAX.. not saying guarenteed but once they have used 3 then they are done. And like wise if you only have say 1-3 luck you should get only 1 luck per unit availabe during battle etc.. Instead I have seen battles where Gremlins got Luck EVERY Single time they got a turn.. like 7-8 times in a battle. And at the same time... mages got 5 luckies.. That kinda stuff is silly... and decides the outcome of the battles.
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Elvin
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posted January 29, 2009 06:50 PM |
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Hehe sure. It's silly but right now that's the way it is, I'd personally prefer a lower cap but everyone has his ideas about luck.
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Kispagat
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posted January 29, 2009 08:56 PM |
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Let me disagree.
Using the figure that 90% luck and 10% knowledge would mean that a very weak player could win against a very good one (if you want toh rating, take 400 points difference) I think its almost never happen. Same applies in chess. If the ELO rating difference is around 300, mostly no need to play the game.
As the skill of the opponents level, luck become more and more important factor in 1 game. But, because luck in h5 is complex thing, in a long run (say 10 games) between the players skill is the decisive. Luck only indicates that better player will not score 10-0.
Being lucky in the battle, is cool, but you can be lucky
- with random main hero
- main town
- skilling
- weeks
- key guards
and so on. And yes, I had games when me or my opponent had that miserable setup, or the opponent or me had that lucky so it did not make sense to play the game.
But generally luck factors are close to equal, thats my impression. No need to complain.
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Fraudatio
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posted January 29, 2009 09:59 PM |
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I agree with disagreeing - that is: Kisp is spot on. Strider will most certainly crush me 9 out of 10 games, even though I have lucky draws etc in between. H5 TOTE is to me a "perfect" game as it is with Luck as a factor in the short run, that is my humble opinion at least.
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Jinxer
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posted January 30, 2009 12:23 AM |
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And as USUAL... Jinxer is sorely misunderstood!!!! But I am used to it by now.
I am not talking about a newbie getting enough luck to beable to beat strider... My comments were based around 2 equally skilled players that have a pretty much same run on map etc.. and get to final battle and both armies are virtually the same size and I am looking forward to a GREAT final battle.. And My opponent has 6 luck and I have 3 Luck and his army gets a total of 22 lucky hits from all his army and I get 5 lucky hits.
Now Come on... did my opponent actually out play me in battle just cause the roll of dice shines 4 times more for him???
And I am not complaining... I am debating the issue only.
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valkyrica
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posted January 30, 2009 09:34 AM |
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Now Come on... did my opponent actually out play me in battle just cause the roll of dice shines 4 times more for him???
And I am not complaining... I am debating the issue only.
Do you miss your algebra classes or what ? 
You can't guarantee anything in this game, hence the percentages. Why don't you complain at the casino where if you bet only one number for 37/38 times (depending on the roulette) you should get 1 win.
Sometimes you get more, sometimes you get less.
Whenever there's odds involved, luck comes into play, and that's what makes everything so much better.
You live a gray life Jinxer ! Step up on the rainbow and embrace the colors !
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fiur
Promising
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Map Creator
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posted January 30, 2009 11:38 AM |
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only 1 solution.... add : Week of Balance for every week 
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Jinxer
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posted January 30, 2009 06:18 PM |
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What ever Valky... as always your opinions are all that matters.. you bearly play this game.. yet you are the expert. I will just conceed that you are right and move on... Easier that way.. no serious discussions are possible on this board anymore anyways.
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Elvin
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posted January 30, 2009 11:54 PM |
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You need not be an expert to have an educated opinion, besides how do you know how much he plays? Not all heroes games translate to toh ratings.
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Jinxer
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posted January 31, 2009 06:55 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 06:58, 31 Jan 2009.
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As I conceeded.... I am wrong, everyone else is right. Obviously some peoples BS carries more weight then others. So I am backing off.
Cheers....
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Elvin
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posted January 31, 2009 07:32 AM |
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Cheer up Jinxer, that's no serious reason to get moody We're here to play and have fun, philosophizing about luck pales in comparison no? Take things with a grain of salt, nobody's here to make fun of you or anything though some are natural teasers
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Duncan
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posted January 31, 2009 08:37 AM |
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Actually I somewhat understand where Jinxer's opinion came from. Same thing with a soccer match, after normal and overtime periods, all boil down to a penalty shootout. Luck plays a bit at this stage. Members of the losing team then cry in agony and despair, "What have I done wrong?? Worked hard all the way throughout the tournament but only to face this..." (which is quite similar with "I've crept and built my hero almost flawlessly but only to face these dice rolls at this final battle").
Unfortunately, the game (HOMM) is designed by involving probability factors. Then there's nothing but to accept what it is. Otherwise, like Elvin said: Chess, everyone?
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But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it.
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samiekl
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posted January 31, 2009 09:45 AM |
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As I conceeded.... I am wrong, everyone else is right.
No no no... You are right, everyone else is wrong. 
For any madman, everyone else is mad, he's the only one sane. 
And , as master 2pac used to say:
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It's just me against the world
Nuttin to lose..
It's just me against the world baby
I got nuttin to lose
It's just me against the world
Stuck in the game
Me against the world baby
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infinitus
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posted January 31, 2009 10:21 AM |
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Unfortunately, the game (HOMM) is designed by involving probability factors. Then there's nothing but to accept what it is.
This is good, not bad ... This is like in real life, in order to succeed you need talent, hard work and luck ... If no luck in H5, no need to fight final battle, just take calculator and calculate ho is the winner ... This is not the game for mathematicians with calculators
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Duncan
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The Pathfinder
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posted January 31, 2009 03:30 PM |
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This is good, not bad ...
Never said it's bad. My point was, there are games involving probability, there are that don't. Entering any, we just have to be aware of the rules and follow accordingly. All things being equal; after all, we're playing the same game. Not to mention there can be players agreement in H5.
My earlier comment was just a share of feeling should such an unlucky blow happen. In real life that would be devastating. But usually that becomes a decisive factor in a competitive setup like the penalty shootout example I mentioned, after all else tested. I doubt lucky beginners can consistently outwit unlucky experts. It's real life, like you said. I didn't propose to change anything
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But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it.
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Kispagat
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posted January 31, 2009 06:27 PM |
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I dont wanna ruin the reputation of chess, but luck is involved in that game also. Lot lower factor than in h5, but still could be decisive. The only problem is that my English is not sophisticated enough to describe it how it works in that game.
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Asheera
Honorable
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Elite Assassin
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posted January 31, 2009 06:31 PM |
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You mean when you try a trick which you hope the opponent won't notice, because otherwise you'll be screwed?
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Kispagat
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posted January 31, 2009 06:47 PM |
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You mean when you try a trick which you hope the opponent won't notice, because otherwise you'll be screwed?
Yes, something like this. Its very easy to understand it, if u attack a piece and ur opponent "forget" to protect it or move it. It happens more than you would except even in high level. This is called blunder. Luck or huge mistake?
Chess is a future-teller game. In a good level both player can see 3-10 moves ahead depends on the position. It happens that one of them stop analize the situation one move before getting checkmate. Luck or lack of skill?
There are pschicologocal positions when both players forget an easy move, which could allow one side to win easy. Luck or not?
White sacrifice a bishop. Fritz (computer) analize it, and says in 5 good moves and black has winning position. (no compensation for the bishop) But in the game, black player can not find that moves. In this situation white is lucky, because objectively his move is a losing one, but he may manage to win by it. Luck or not?
This kind of situations, I hope understandable. The big difference here, that what luck in this side, always lack of skill to the opposite.
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Jinxer
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posted January 31, 2009 07:26 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 19:33, 31 Jan 2009.
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There are pschicologocal positions when both players forget an easy move, which could allow one side to win easy. Luck or not?
This isnt the same thing.. I would not call this the same luck.. Indeed you are LUCKY that he screwed up. But that would fall under as you said a blunder or mistake or lack of experience or SKILL on his part. If I lose a game to my mistakes or lack of experience or knowledge of game.. that no problem.. I deserve to lose. If however I have calculated the next 10 moves in chess and they are flawless calculations and I am protecting my Queen all game like a PRO... and on move 6 a HUGE gust of wind comes and blows my queen off the board and down a vent... and the tournamnet official says. " Oh too bad that was a some crazy luck for your opponent." Completely outta my control, and my opponent didnt do anything to EARN the death of my Queen, yet he will end up winning the game he would otherwise not beable to win now because of some random uncontrollable circumstance lol. Obviously an exageration of events simply to illustrate my point
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Elvin
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posted January 31, 2009 07:54 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 20:17, 31 Jan 2009.
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I wouldn't call a blunder matter of luck.
Edit: I think what is more important to see is is whether 'luck' appears from within the gameplay or is attributed to the player, say an outside distraction.
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