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posted March 26, 2009 02:02 AM |
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Finally! Someone who understands! 
As for the attitude towards shinies - short of abolishing them completely or the mods exercising better judgment (but, in that case, judgment in whose eyes?), the only solution I can think of is diluting them: that is, lower the standard for getting QPs and penalties. Then they won't matter as much. Also, remove all the benefits that come with them: that is, the post limit, floodprotect, thread rating, etc.
Of course, the objection that would inevitably come would be that the lack of floodprotect and so on would be abused by spammers - so I'd suggest requiring some sort of investment in the community before floodprotect and the posting limit are removed. For example, if a member has 100 posts and has been registered for a month, then floodprotect would be removed.
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posted March 26, 2009 02:27 AM |
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While I'd say stricter requirements for removal of floodprotect would probably be necessary for such an arrangement to be feasible, I certainly agree that removing the benefits of QP level increases and making the shinies purely ornamental would help the problem. I really don't think that should be done except as a last ditch effort in response to extreme division within the community.
In many ways, the QP system works. I really think that the most creative posts such as ICTC entries and other truly inspired works are partially a result of the promise of tangible reward. I wish that weren't true. I wish people would post solely for the benefit of the community, but that just doesn't happen that often. I know that sounds a bit pessimistic, but that's what I've experienced in my time here.
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posted March 26, 2009 02:48 AM |
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This thread really 'evolved' since I last checked it, took me a while to read it
@Pan: I have to say, I really didn't want to be or sound so offensive as you say I was. Neither did I want to 'mask' something offensive with a smiley. I still don't really know why you interpret that post of mine so offensive but I didn't mean it to be like that at all.
I'm really sorry for that post and all the drama and trouble it caused  And I'm also sorry to Lex if he was offended by that post, it was not my intention. I was only trying to tell him that he loves QPs a bit too much, didn't want to offend him or anything.
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Aculias
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posted March 26, 2009 03:21 AM |
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For one I am glad you two are not going at it anymore. No Meow Meow
No Pandaash action . I am glad though.
I have mixed feelings about the issue but as far as I am concerned, it's in the past now.
I just hate to see MVass knock Pandy down the way he does.
She tries very hard all the time to keep the forums she is modding running smoothly. She has some of the toughest forums to mod.
I think comparing her to other recent mods is just not really fair at all.
She is not perfect & she tries to follow the rules as a mod.
Ash had a few history. Some of us see things that others dont.
Personally if I got the -QP or William or even Mvass, I dont think many would care. I think people really like Asheera that much.
Now you guys have made Pan the bad girl here.
Hard for me to see how much people liked her for years, then to treat her like this.
I would act like that too if I been treated like that.
People IM saying she is just taking out her RL frustrations on HC is totally unfair.
It's some responsibility. Every Mod is different. Even in the past.
Now for QP's we need them to stay.
It keeps people at bay & they try to work for them. It would be Anarchy in here without them. People wont care, they will break the rules & then will do what they please & screw the rules.
That is why we need flood report etc etc.
I like both of yall Mvass. Pandy is a good friend. I am alot older. I dont flame like I did 5-6 years ago when Amanda got flamed to death.
I just wish yall knew how hard & how much she really tries on here.
She does alot of the things that yall never see.
I wish you guys could work it out.
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posted March 26, 2009 03:37 AM |
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Personally if I got the -QP or William or even Mvass, I dont think many would care. I think people really like Asheera that much.
Lol, stealing my words huh?
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posted March 26, 2009 05:19 AM |
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This discussion is making me ill. People have ganged up on Pan for such a insignificant thing, and she is one of the hardest working people we have here. What is more, she is one of the most patient and nicest Moderators we have (No offense ment to the rest). There would be a lot more shinies if I was in the OSM, VW, or Tavern and not of the good kind. What is more, her and Asheera have pretty much (at least it sounds like) mended the fences and it is STILL going on.
You all know the 'drama' that happened with me about QP's before. Yet you wonder why I felt like throwing in the towel? Pan, I honestly hope you didn't undo the -qp because of peer pressure. Because you are more classy then that. I know you don't like to be the bad guy. Hey..tell you what, talk Val into letting me help in the OSM, VW, and Tavern. Then you will look like Mother Teresa. I won't mention taking it to the HQ, because that will start another "Sure hide this from us" drama thread. Exactly what we don't need right now.
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Aculias
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posted March 26, 2009 07:21 AM |
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Man I must of really changed LOL.
Before & Some know it that I would of stirred up more trouble & poured more fire in the flames  .
Now I am trying to do the oposite .
Where is this world coming too lol.
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posted March 26, 2009 07:40 AM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 07:42, 26 Mar 2009.
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The penalty was wrong, but it's gone now, so there's really nothing more to discuss. I'm sorry to all I might have offended. I meant to criticize, but not to offend.
My personal position on the Asheera crisis:
I already agreed with the colleagues, that the penalty was deserved. Just listen to Pan's posts, she was here longer than me and most of us, she was also mod before me and many of the colleagues at the HQ.
If I was moderator in this forum, the penalty would stay.
Also, as probably you know (if you don't, you will from now on) from my rare clashes with members at the Workshop I hate when someone is messing in my work or criticize it, especially when he isn't a moderator, and he don't know all the details. It's not that easy as you think on it.
As Angelioto said just day ago (another thread), a lot of you deserve penalties for comment's and offtopics.
I'm not going to act on mine responsibility, since I'm giving -QP's to members in otheres forums, only If I'm personal insulted or if it contain bad language, porn pics, Thanatos and his followers, etc...
Don't mess in mod's work and they won't mess in your's, at least it counts for me.
I think we are going to have new discussion at the HQ. I really hope that Val will agree to make and add to the CoC's about criticism agints the moderators, after all we are not slaves, we have more rights but we need respect, not someone who is telling us what we should do or not.
And as we say in Bulgaria - "Full stop!" (means that the discussion is over!)
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posted March 26, 2009 08:51 AM |
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First of all, the thread title doesn't fit. It would always be "WHOLE squad vs *put in any member's name*"..
The whole +qp/-qp issue comes up every year...always the same. But still I think we should keep it, because there should be a way to show the difference between members who contribute, members who are just present and members who like to play the bad guy/girl.
Carrot-and-stick policy..
Police officers do not dislike guns coz of the guns themself, but coz of the bad guys who force them to use those...
That's why Pan obviously is tired of this whole red star system. I can understand, but as stated above, I do not share this opinion.
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Aculias
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posted March 26, 2009 09:01 AM |
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The red stars helps keep this place in check as I stated above.
I will have to disagee with you Angelito.
You cant expect Rainbows, butterflies, Peaches & blue skies every day on here. There will be clashes,
There will be debates & there will always be disagreements.
I dont even know you but from your comments Vokial, I already dont like you.
Back to Angelito.
I mean come on, It happens in real life also. I mean we all mess up sometimes. You dont need to throw out -QP's every time something small happens.
Sometimes things just need to be worked out in other ways.
I seen it worked out in many different ways.-QP's if felt unjust can lead to what has happened a couple of days ago.
Of course I know some are deserved, yes some should of been issued more.
Only in reason though.
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posted March 26, 2009 02:52 PM |
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Hey guys. Can someone tell me what happened?
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posted March 26, 2009 08:16 PM |
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Acu was the one standing nearest to you.
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Aculias
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posted March 26, 2009 09:01 PM |
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Sorry, I dont think I would grab daddy's busch busch!!!
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posted March 27, 2009 12:46 AM |
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Edited by pandora at 00:51, 27 Mar 2009.
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I reversed the penalty because it wasn't worth the grief. If nothing else, I said my peace about members who take sly shots at each other, and people who would try to undermine anothers' confidence. So now its known how I feel - and for the most part, that's what I hoped to come out of it. Peer pressure isn't an issue - the people who were... unpleasant.. are not the ones whose opinions I let sway me - the worst case situation if I left the penalty is that they wouldn't like me lol They already don't - and I'm over it 
Please don't any of you think that I'm wounded by this, I've been through it a thousand times over - its the same er - stuff - different pile
I really do appreciate those of you who've sent messages or posted here supporting me. Aculias - one of the few constants I've had here is knowing that you've got my back - and I'm grateful for it
As for the others, please know that it really doesn't matter to me. Of course no matter what I'll still try to keep the peace , be diplomatic and help Hc stay fun for everyone - but I do not take these people with me when I log out, and there's no reason for concern that I'm hurt.
About the Qp's I think its foolish to keep them. I really do.
Above everything else that's ever gone bad here - QP's are easily the most consistant problem we run into here. It's like clockwork the phases of HC - stick around newbies, you'll see
Right now we're in "bored and fussy" phase - and it will go on until someone comes up with a new game to play
The best thing for HC I think would be to get rid of this status illusion created by the stars. People with Qp's aren't superior, (well some are ) people without them are still a value to HC - Its really silly that some people seem to think QP's make them better than anyone else here. that's my biggest beef with them. And if they were gone, it would go away - as would so many of my HC related headaches
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mvassilev
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posted March 27, 2009 03:12 AM |
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I may not always agree with you, but amen to that last point.
However, if QPs are abolished, then two questions arise:
1. How would the various limits (floodprotect, post limit, etc.) be handled?
2. How would members be penalized?
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Aculias
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posted March 27, 2009 06:07 AM |
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There will be warnings.
The if they still dont follow the rules, I guess we will have to be a bit harsher.
We will have different set of silent limits.
maybe 1 hour to even up to a week.
Now that I just thought of it, it can actually work better then QP's.
Having different times for silencing, possibly depending on the behavior.
Of course there has to be warnings. Cant just silence someone out of the blue.
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posted March 27, 2009 11:28 AM |
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Rather than say something intelligent, I'll just make a small donation and give everyone a big smile.
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