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Elodin
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posted August 22, 2009 05:13 PM |
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Compassion for murderers and other criminals
How tough do you think society should be on crime? If they get sick should their sentence be reduced or eliminated? Who should be able to approve dismissal of a sentence imposed on a criminal?
I am somewhat angry that the mass murderer who bombed Pan Am Flight 103 has been released because of his illness. He murdered around 270 people. Why should he die a free man? He may not even die within a month as the doctors project. I have an uncle who was supposed to be dead of lung cancer years ago and he is still alive and walking around even though he refused chemotherapy.
The bomber has been hailed as a heroe in Libya (who sponsored the terrorist action) and state run Libian media said he had been a political prisoner.
Where is the justice? In having compassion on the murderer did the government have compassion on the murderer's victims and their families? I think the families of victims should have to approve of any mercy shown criminals. Perhaps the man who decided to release the murderer should have to serve his sentence if he is so interested in giving compassion to him.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/08/22/britain.lockerbie.deal/index.html
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The Libyan government had accepted responsibility for the bombing and compensated victims' families in a $2.7 billion deal that paved the way for sanctions against Libya to be dropped and for Tripoli to improve ties with the West.
But Thursday, after al Megrahi's return, the Libyan official news agency JANA issued a statement from the government saying that al Megrahi had been "a political hostage," as evidenced by his release.
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posted August 22, 2009 05:36 PM |
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Nah brojito.
From my understanding, (and I haven't looked into it deeply) the person that was released was jailed in the first place under shaddy conditions. It's not right to jail somebody if you don't know they're even guilty.
Secondly, asking the family's approval is the worst thing you could do, because they're the people that are by far most susceptible to rage. That's one of the main reasons one should have an impartial court carry out sentences, because personal justice tends to be chaotic and magnified.
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posted August 22, 2009 06:55 PM |
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Why should he die a free man? He may not even die within a month as the doctors project.
Death is an absolution, something that comes to those who are needy of it. We may execute him for his crime, and many will rest at ease with that. He may die of illness, but many may like to see him suffer through it. Its the nature of man to be vengeful, so many will see the illness as a plague or a karma or just unluck punishing him. Either way, he will die, and 270 deaths will have been the cost. Unacceptable, but irreversible.
When it comes to criminal ethics, I believe that death should not be imposed as a punishment. Many christian conservatives think this. But even still, the possibility for his continuing manslaughter supercedes the compassion of man. He should die, but that is the only logical reason for it. Not because he deserves it, but becuase it must happen.
On to the Libyan goverment. That is unacceptable. If he is released, a hero's welcome should be followed by a statement of aggression by all powerful countries. Let war clear their eyes, so they finally give in to justice.
@BB - I don't think that possibilities of guilt should be considered. If the man was partially convicted, he cannot be fully innocent. A devout father of two with a loving family never gets arrested, because he's never done any offense. Mostly, those who aren't responsible have commited other aggressions, so blind justice runs its course.
However, your second point is valid. I love this quote - "Emotion has no logic." You can't judge something through means that can make no other choice. If you are steeped with anger, you cannot pass fair judgment on those accused. However, logic may not decide otherwise, becuase many times the verdict is obvious.
@Elodin - I like your thoughts, because I like how you balance justic accordingly. Its harsh to make the lawmaker become the convicted, but maybe an injunction against him is appropriate. If he cannot judge him meaningfully, then justic cannot be served.
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posted August 22, 2009 06:56 PM |
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I could say my purest and honest opinion about this, but it just result in coc violation and penalties.
Anyway, heavily censored version of it... There shouldn't be any compassion for criminals at all. Their kind aren't human at all[/blindfanatism]
For example: a drunk young ape rammed an minivan and it was thrown into an opposing direction lane and was rammed by a big-rig truck. All seven people in the van died. The snow who caused it got few years in jail.
Another example: a mother killed her two sons for no appearant reason. She's spending her days in jail for the rest of her life, living from our, the tax payers money.
And how many of them are in the world?
*sigh*
when do they learn that hanging is the only way to deal with such carbage.
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posted August 22, 2009 06:59 PM |
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The only reason to imprison anyone in the first place is to reduce the possibility for any future crimes by the same or other persons, not because justice must happen.
Unless one is on the brink of death, there is no reason to set him free because this would encourage more crimes by other people if they get the idea that they may actually get out without having to sit the whole sentence.
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posted August 22, 2009 07:02 PM |
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I see great irrationality in your beliefs, but there yours and I cannot criticize something you believe in.
What does man value most? Not to put to fine a point on it, but freedom. While incarcerated, comfort aside, man surrenders the most precious thing to him - freedom. Sure, he may get three square meals a day, he may exercise, he may even do service to the community. But its all under ball and chain. His moves are monitored, and his time given in allotments. Many people find this unbearable. The purpose of justice is not kill those kill, but to stop those who would do it again.
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posted August 22, 2009 07:23 PM |
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What does man value most? Not to put to fine a point on it, but freedom.
Some say happiness.
I say knowledge. 
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posted August 22, 2009 07:30 PM |
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Well, I was talking from a historical standpoint, and there have been thousands of wars over freedom. Plus, freedom and happiness walk sort of hand in hand.
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posted August 22, 2009 08:04 PM |
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there have been thousands of wars over freedom
So wrong, USA is propably the only nation gone for that, and the freedom thing is merely a façade.
Most wars happen because of greed and hunger for glory and because someone with power always crosses the line.
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posted August 22, 2009 08:46 PM |
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While incarcerated, comfort aside, man surrenders the most precious thing to him - freedom. Sure, he may get three square meals a day, he may exercise, he may even do service to the community. But its all under ball and chain. His moves are monitored, and his time given in allotments. Many people find this unbearable.
Not to mention the rape.
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posted August 22, 2009 08:59 PM |
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From the article:
"I feel sick. I feel depressed and outraged. I mean, I am just heartbroken," said Susan Cohen "
"Whether he's in jail or whether he's with his family, it doesn't impact me," she said. "He should be able to be with his family and die in peace. And I hope he has found some peace." "I am not disturbed by it. I feel like if he is dying of prostate cancer, I don't have any problems at all with him being able to be with his family as he dies."
said Caroline Stevenson
While some people keep being "outraged" from anything others understood the "mercy" concept.
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posted August 22, 2009 09:09 PM |
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i dont see the point in your post sorry,salamadre.
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posted August 22, 2009 09:23 PM |
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It shows once more the israelites asking for revenge and being outraged by the mercy. It is a coincidence you think that the article contains only those TWO testimonials?
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posted August 22, 2009 09:47 PM |
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The only reason to imprison anyone in the first place is to reduce the possibility for any future crimes by the same or other persons, not because justice must happen.
I disagree. Justice entails punishment for a crime. I believe in justice.
In the case of the bomber, what is to prevent him from carrying out another terrorist attack in his supposed last months to live? Why should we assume he is now safe to dwell in society and no longer a threat since he has cancer? I think he would be a prime recruit for a suicide bomb attack. If he does, what will the beaurocrat who set him free say? Ooooops?
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It shows once more the israelites asking for revenge and being outraged by the mercy. It is a coincidence you think that the article contains only those TWO testimonials?
So what exactly are you saying about Israelites? Many in the US are outraged by about the bomber being set free. Many of the passengers were Americans.
I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of the victims families oppose the bomber being set free.
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posted August 22, 2009 10:21 PM |
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I feel little compassion for people who kill. Of course there are circumstances that soften the crime (Accidental Murder, Warfare, Righeous Vengeance, etc), and these cases I feel compassion, or at least understanding.
However in case without these circumstances, where the killing was unnessecairy yet intentional, and with the killer showing no remorse at all... then I hope that there is a hell where he will burn.
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posted August 22, 2009 11:17 PM |
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What is it in killing that people get so revolted over?
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posted August 22, 2009 11:27 PM |
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Compassion for murderers & rapist lol.
Dont be absurd.
I feel none, not even a little compassion for anyone of those people.
They have taken away someone from a family where they will never see again.
Can you think of how your family will feel if you was murdered?
Being raped can cause diseases & maybe pregnancy.
Compassion.
I hope they get the needle.
I would say the chair but that chair is too good for them lol.
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posted August 23, 2009 12:05 AM |
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Compassion, extreme apology and compensation is for those falsely convicted. But I agree, people who murder or rape others willingly deserve no mercy. Even if it's government sanctioned or endorsed action with soldiers, such things deserve no mercy.
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posted August 23, 2009 01:27 AM |
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Edited by Aculias at 04:39, 23 Aug 2009.
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Either you did or you did not.
Unless she is cute
Na crucify her too
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posted August 23, 2009 01:38 AM |
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i think its wrong to judge all israelites by this. there is a differnce between retrebution. and alleged justice. notice i did not have opinion on the case.
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