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posted October 19, 2009 08:52 PM |
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And in socialism the government steals from one to give to another.
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On the other hand, the Bible specifically says Judas was a thief so in a way you could say he was a socialist I guess since he was stealing from Jesus and the other disciples to give to himself.
Is incompatible logic.
More correct would have been that Judas stole from Jesus to give to other, less fortunate people.
But I guess that sounds too nice in the eyes of most people (remember Robin Hood...), so you have to use more obscure examples to trick them into demonizing this act.
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posted October 19, 2009 09:19 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 21:20, 19 Oct 2009.
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More correct would have been that Judas stole from Jesus to give to other, less fortunate people.
But I guess that sounds too nice in the eyes of most people (remember Robin Hood...), so you have to use more obscure examples to trick them into demonizing this act.
No, that is what would be known as a lie (if willfully told) or a misunderstanding if a person can't read very well.
The Bible specificly says Judas was a thief and that he did not care for the poor, as I quoted.
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posted October 19, 2009 09:21 PM |
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I was talking about your comparison to him with a socialist.
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posted October 19, 2009 09:27 PM |
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the discussion is trade, and I was discussing commerce and how people can interpret it from literature. it's just as valid as taking the christian subtext from C.S Lewis works.
If you say so. It is interesting that the anti-religion/anti-Christian folk are almost always the ones to introduce religion into discussions. Then someone usually points the finger at a religious person and say they are always preaching.
Then why do you use this retarded argument as if your saying "We are better than you"?. Its bad behavior, for debates at the least, and in public in general.
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I'm friends with a philosophy/business student, and he came up with an interesting theory...
me: ok, so, what's your theory.
him (who I shall call jim): Well, my theory is that the execution of Jesus was a parable and, indeed, a prophetic parable to the ways of systems of commerce.
(I should point out that we were not drunk/doped/high/powdered/taking heroin)
me: Ok.
Jim: well, Jesus, at his last supper, was like "Eat this bread, it is my body," and "Drink this wine, it is my blood," sharing around his earthly gifts becoming a metafor for socialism/ communism. And what happened to him.
me: nailed to a cross.
Jim: by romans, thus you can infer that socialism can only work if everyone agrees to it, and that there be no outside power in order to invade and straighten it out.
me: Ok.
(we were not drunk/doped/high/powdered/taking heroin)
Jim: Judas, on the other hand, betrayed Jesus for 32 peices of silver, an allergory to capitalism. and what happened to him. he killed himself, and thus, you could infer, that capitalism is self-destructive and will drive itself into oblivion.
me: fairly interesting.
jim: that's not the clever bit. Peter, who rejected christ but found him again, conveniently, became the martyr of the catholic church. and that is the clever bit, as he didn't believe totally, unlike the other disciples, but became the most powerful. and he is a reference to Stalin. because Stalin wasn't the most loyal to the cause, but he became the most powerful out of all the original party members.
Your off track. Jesus and socialism is related, in some ways. Yet their not. Socialism is a spawn of Marxism, based on the idea of "everybody is equal" to the boot. Jesus was claimed to be gods son, and with some luck or the turn of fate he ended up with a party of followers and and the cult that was born evolved into a religion and the turn of dices it become big. The philosophies that is "Christianity" is compatible with socialism/marxism, but related? Their vaguely related, but thats it.
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Well a "product" is an abstract concept. I mean "creation" of it. It can be a service, and it actually is a service. Manufacturing itself is the service.
A CD and DVD use roughly the same materials (not exactly but let's pretend that they do, for simplicity -- ignoring "protection materials" and all that), but a DVD stores more data. Likewise two processors usually share the materials, but one may be a low-end while the other high-end.
And your point besides nitpicking is?
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Bad argument. Stay away from it. If the constitution said to "eat children", you know it always could have? The next part is that it usually free to interpreted it to your vision after the lose frame around it(that the words written cannot be twisted itself).
The next part is that everything written is biased, in some way. Your living in a age where you kill people everyday, killing would not be something to really look at as bad. Or in a society where freedom is so valuable that claiming anything else would get a mob after you.
So... get a better argument.
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posted October 19, 2009 09:30 PM |
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And your point besides nitpicking is?
Read the quote I replied to and find out. There's no such thing as "create more resources", not even mining more doesn't do that. And I don't think people consider sand (=has silicon) as valuable as a CPU don't you think? It's the SERVICE that you pay for, the manufacturing service, not the resource. Mining is a service too.
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posted October 19, 2009 09:52 PM |
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