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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 02, 2010 10:19 AM |
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Clans are very good idea but activity is terrible low so its cant work now. For example when i look for game in msn i see possible 1-4 opponents max all time. If there was 20-30 clans can work. Another problem is all argues and drama make ppl feel like they waste his time there.
I joined in ToH season 1 because Here was open Clan season. Me,Jorko80 and Al Killmore. All start after meet where Valentin told "how n00b we all are" and "his clan will pown all". So we decide to start play ToH and won clans. This was very good time. We have regular "clan beer meet" for talk about strategies and this up spirit a lot to all us. If you check other teams all was with 1-2 much active members and min 1 very low active. Look for example Clan n2. From 433 total points 319 are done from Cycleguy. He was MOST ACTIVE in ToH and now he complete gone from there  If you check all clans you will see main points are done from 1 member in most clans. If you check names you will see most from them don't play more...Include top active Cycleguy, SQ79, Al Killmore.
Activity in ToH and heroes in general is not like old days. If ToH want to make it up for begin need to improve points system with simple add "protection rule" and games over 300-350 points difference will gain/loss ~5 points. This is main problem in ToH now. Second Ves need to consider Clans are IMPORTANT ! if he want ppl to care for them. Dropping all rewards for Clans season 1 and keep for Caesar was very bad and unfair decision. Clans produce much more games for ToH and helped for up activity compare solo play (I/my clan mean personal Strider with his fantastic high numbers games, and how much this helped for ToH activity). Every one know team games are hard and need much effort from all. Caesar and Clans need to be in ~same level rated or none will take them serious again.
LordMichal, How you already notice all give up (include Ves). I'm sure he wont change system so all will be same in future. Just play with opponents what you like when you have time and Don't expect any from ToH. Its only for track personal stats atm no more.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 02, 2010 10:32 AM |
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Heh we didn't have clan beer meetings but I miss those times 
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted January 02, 2010 12:51 PM |
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If ToH want to make it up for begin need to improve points system with simple add "protection rule" and games over 300-350 points difference will gain/loss ~5 points.
I think TOH need badly this "protective rule"... I remember time then we try to bring to TOH Willgefors. I explained him all how it's work, hamachi etc. After i try arrange game for him. Was very hard, i addressed to many players, no one want to risk his points, cos they knew Will is top player ... But how we expect to bring new good players here if we refuse them from start... Or i remember my start on TOH, i message many players and they not even respond, i know they was active, but don't want to risk points with newbie. Protective rule may help a lot.
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kontr
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 03, 2010 02:06 PM |
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O come on ! Point system ... I think if u are lord or emperor it's a shame to afraid of loosing points. I understand that mb sometimes u don't want to start 6 hr game if u not shure if it will be interesting with this opponent. Play Trefoil then first, gain your 5 points or loose 50 in half hour. Emperor means that u are the best here! So just proove it one more time ! If we talking about inactive emperor lvl players then if everybody from legionnarie to emperor loose just once to them it will be grate opportunity to earn 50 points from them after for all of us ))). Points are pleasant but game if about fun!
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 03:29 PM |
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O come on ! Point system ... I think if u are lord or emperor it's a shame to afraid of loosing points. I understand that mb sometimes u don't want to start 6 hr game if u not shure if it will be interesting with this opponent. Play Trefoil then first, gain your 5 points or loose 50 in half hour. Emperor means that u are the best here! So just proove it one more time ! If we talking about inactive emperor lvl players then if everybody from legionnarie to emperor loose just once to them it will be grate opportunity to earn 50 points from them after for all of us ))). Points are pleasant but game if about fun!
Well you are talk like regular n00b there 
For begin its no fun game were you can won 0 points from won and loss 50 from loss. You need to be stupid to start 5-8h game with this setup...but i don't know one stupid emperor for this there no games like it 
Second pass Emperor, keep it after active play and talk again 
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 05:18 PM |
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Ohh come on guys - why you need 20-30 clans? Its obvious that now its impossible, I know that. But where is problem? If there will be 8 active clans it will be great and much fun For what you need hundreds players? I play here for fun, not for points not for money.
Everything here now is about motivation of players to play something and about newbies - how quickly they can join us and learn to play with us(kontr...) - it increases number of active players. And come on! - in our country is still new ,,flow" of newbies. And I live in Czech republic!!! Maybe someone even donīt know this country
About your clan Elit - if you will contact them, maybe they will return back and play with us in clans. I remember that I someday read something from All Killmore, why he ended here and he mentioned about this. Someone who played Heroes very good and long, canīt forget everything - couple games and he is back. If he will have motivation - which can be new clan season.
But if Ves gave it up, itīs baad Thats why I wrote everything I wanted to say about it into topic Administrator. We can continue, sure it canīt be as it was, but we still love Heroes, thats why Iīm writing here Thats why I wrote about that we need change of point system - everyone see that Why you not Ves? Or you can see that, but you gave it up? If yes, then pls someone another to post of administrator Nothing personal But gave it up and another person to post of administrator(if its possible) or finally do now something for us and for TOH please.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted January 03, 2010 08:52 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:03, 03 Jan 2010.
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I would be willing to update and manage clans if we could muster atleast 6 active clans to begin a new season.
I suggest that Ves award the awards and medals for Season 2 based on the current standings.. and anyone who wants to start in New Fresh season is welcome to.
However I do have a couple suggestions.. Since there are new blood around.. I propose that we do the clans as a mix of previous divisions.. in the sense that each clan must start with 3 different ranked players. Legionairre+ To command and lead the clan.. a Baron 2nd in command.. and a Squire and under for 3rd spot.
***** SPECIAL NOTE!! Previous Season Rank would apply. So if you ended last season as Emperor and this season you are only a Squire.. Well we all know you are skilled as emperor so you can ONLY hold the position of Commander of a clan. This will prevent stacking of clans with only dominate players and will lead to getting some of the new players involved. Ofcourse if you gain in rank during the season that doesnt matter.. you can stay with clan or after you become Legionaiire + you can start your own Clan/Division... etc.
If this sounds interesting and fun, we can work out all the details of awarding badges and artifacts etc, as was done in previous clan and divisions mix.
Just a thought.. Lets open discussion.
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:00 PM |
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yes this is it. But first what is need, know how many players will be playing in. Make inquiry or ask on MSN. I really donīt know how to do it
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:00 PM |
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Edited by Elit at 21:08, 03 Jan 2010.
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However I do have a couple suggestions.. Since there are new blood around.. I propose that we do the clans as a mix of previous divisions.. in the sense that each clan must start with 3 different ranked players. Legionairre+ To command and lead the clan.. a Baron 2nd in command.. and a Squire for 3rd spot.
***** SPECIAL NOTE!! Previous Season Rank would apply. So if you ended last season as Emperor and this season you are only a Squire.. Well we all know you are skilled as emperor so you can ONLY hold the position of Commander of a clan. This will prevent stacking of clans with only dominate players and will lead to getting some of the new players involved. Ofcourse if you gain in rank during the season that doesnt matter.. you can stay with clan or after you become Legionaiire + you can start your own Clan/Division... etc.
If this sounds interesting and fun, we can work out all the details of awarding badges and artifacts etc, as was done in previous clan and divisions mix.
Just a thought.. Lets open discussion.
Clans to be success can be only from People who want to play together. Sure i wont play if me and Jorko80 cant be in one clan so your idea is not good=can loss 2 ppl already before it start. Second noting bad about Dominating. I'm create clan to won! Its my view about fun
Edit: My clan is ready. WE will replace Al Killmore with Natalka. She is from same town like us so can be part from beer meets Its all what need for 1 good clan
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted January 03, 2010 09:09 PM |
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Well Elit.. we need numbers.. and the numbers lie in the new blood. If you guys stack your clan and rip to shreads all the newbie clans they will not stay interested.
Besides shows much more Impressive Skill and command ability if you can take 2 lower ranked players under your wing and MENTOR them and create a successfull dominating clan from that. Taking 3 Powerhouses and beating up on little kids is far from impressive.
Its time we think outside the box if we are gonna build activity!
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:10 PM |
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Your wrong view Elit - example two domination clans -> lost every newbie. They want to win too man. And how can they do, if they will fight with strong players, which they canīt beat? Jinxers idea is good. You will still fight with strong player and newbie with another newbie. And noone saying that you canīt be with jorko for example - there are not so much newbies. But the whole idea is good.
If we will able to create 6 or 8 power clans, then no problem in your words
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:13 PM |
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Edited by Elit at 21:17, 03 Jan 2010.
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Well Elit.. we need numbers.. and the numbers lie in the new blood. If you guys stack your clan and rip to shreads all the newbie clans they will not stay interested.
Besides shows much more Impressive Skill and command ability if you can take 2 lower ranked players under your wing and MENTOR them and create a successfull dominating clan from that. Taking 3 Powerhouses and beating up on little kids is far from impressive.
Its time we think outside the box if we are gonna build activity!
I can help other ppl nv if they are in my clan or not...from other side ever if they are in my clan i cant help them if they are inactive or don't want to learn. Its all about motivation and goals. For example LordMitchel play for "fun" so he will be happy to donate for my clan 100 victories (joke)
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Your wrong view Elit - example two domination clans -> lost every newbie. They want to win too man. And how can they do, if they will fight with strong players, which they canīt beat? Jinxers idea is good. You will still fight with strong player and newbie with another newbie. And noone saying that you canīt be with jorko for example - there are not so much newbies. But the whole idea is good.
If we will able to create 6 or 8 power clans, then no problem in your words
Jinxer idea can be good for you but not for me. You cant be new player and expect to won. I see there enough good active ppl to make strong clans. WE don't need 20 clans!
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:15 PM |
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For example LordMitchel play for "fun" so he will be happy to donate for my clan 100 victories (joke)
Never ever
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:25 PM |
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I see clan as team of good friends, not teacher and scholars around. To get numbers, try to invite good players from outside TOH as we deed with Firedragon bringing TOH Willgefors ... Less restrictions more freedom. Another idea - i like to build "dream team" and not pretend to be "best clan teacher" ...
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted January 03, 2010 09:31 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:37, 03 Jan 2010.
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Well then it WILL not work.. You guys are sounding to much like Old dogs that cant learn new tricks.
That is why last season Died. the Same 4 Strong Dominating clans fighting back and forth gets old very fast and boring and not enough depth to be considered a tournament.
If you guys are not willing to open your eyes to bigger thinking.. and try new things then activity will NEVER be allowed to grow.
You guys always Blame Ves for this tournament being dormant.. Infact you guys only need to look in the mirror for someone to blame. Your lack of willingness to evolve and grow is what is killing the activity and killing all the tournaments. The new fresh players is what we need.. and we need to get them involved to have any hope of increasing activity.
So if you veterans are not willing to try new things then we can just leave things dead.. But I suggest you guys quit complaining and whining. You obviously like it dead.
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i like to build "dream team" and not pretend to be "best clan teacher"
Then guess you can have your dream team and can rule over noone since there will be no clans. How impressive you and your clan will be.. Rulers of themselves
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:40 PM |
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Everyone want to win, so do I ofc. But think global now. Thatīs why I must agree here with Jinx. Itś absolutely right. It will help not only Clans, but for whole TOH, if we will able to help to newbies
If you will be able Infi to persuade 20 players from UBI to connect CLans and TOH, then you are god and we have no problem
I can try to bring some people from our league, Iīm almost sure with 3. If anyone has contact in another league, try to do it too - Poland, Russia
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:46 PM |
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As always Jinxer want to use rules to favor himself (of cos in the name of TOH), if we take a look to clan page we see Jinxer is "point madman". So the best tactic for Jinxer to win next clan season is to force everyone to create clans from one good player and two noobs ... This way Jinxer will win easily next clan season.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted January 03, 2010 09:53 PM |
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I think clans as it is, is a dumb idea... 2-3 points for a win(don't remember for sure), only 1 point for loss means you can call it as well "who plays the most games competition". Make it 1 p win/1 p loss and it might get more interesting.
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:54 PM |
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Sure its not because that. And to repair your version Pro + new + new. I think it will be Pro+ Pro + new.
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Maniak
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 09:54 PM |
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Ah come on Infinitus, I don't think of Jinxer like that, but rather of Heroes madman. If he has so many points its first of all because he loves Heroes like all of us. His whole idea is to get new players so he can tear them to pieces until he can find who will offer good challenge, but isn't that what we are all looking for, a good challenge.
Well actually, you guy can be looking for that, but not me, being the newb I am with H5, anyone...ANYONE is a good challenge for me.
Anyhow, I'd be interested in learning from a mentor, I'd be interested in joining back into a clan even if I am unsure of how it would be. I remember when there were clans in H3, it was lots of fun even tho mine sort of collapsed.
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