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LordMichal
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posted January 03, 2010 09:56 PM |
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Yep Tower, but noone says that it must be the same - Its only on us right?
Yep Maniak, if there will be almost same level of player and Mentor for you, it will be interesting for you as newbie right?
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mohikanin
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posted January 03, 2010 09:59 PM |
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The point is to bring new players - Jinxer has right.
I can talk with players from Poland - we have a lot of fresh blood. Don't know how many of theme will have enough time, but we can try. I don't know ANYTHING about clans - how many players will be in one, how you want to make the Clan Wars (if there is anything like this).
It is important what kind of tourneys we wanna play (on random generated maps which a lot of Polish players prefer, on fixes, on maps like TOH Duel). Some of theme probably won't be as popular as others but, for me, the best idea is to play all of theme.
For random map games 3 or 4 players probably can join. For 'toh duel' even a lot - question about map and advertisement. Sharing pro + pro + new can be. Question is - how many players will be able/want to join any clan.
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LordMichal
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posted January 03, 2010 10:02 PM |
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For how many players we need an inquiry and I donīt want to repeat it again What do you think Jinx, is something like that possible? Can you do this? After that we can ask in our leagues and on MSN and send them link here on inquiry.
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Natalka
Supreme Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 10:04 PM |
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I don`t understand why you need pro+pro+newbie . Let them be 3 newbies and the fastest way to learn is through losses against pro players. If newbies gets discouraged they are not interested in becoming better anyway  In my first 10 games I have played with Willgefors,Kispagat, Strider and Fiur.
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Maniak
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posted January 03, 2010 10:04 PM |
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Yes Lordmichal, it would be interesting for me, but clans or not, I know I will be learning tons the more games I get under my belt, mentoring or not. I have some experience with playing Heroes online, just got very little with Heroes 5, so I have an idea of what I must do, just got to figure out how to do it right 
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LordMichal
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posted January 03, 2010 10:11 PM |
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Nat and what gave you these games? Horrible lost. You learn from games, not only from games with Pro. You need only advices and talk to someone, who know. Rest is only on you and that you can learn in game with another new same as with Pro(for start sure). And with Pro you can still play normal if you want. And noone from newbie will be ready in months to beat Pro. It can take year and to beat you, huh I donīt know
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Jinxer
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posted January 03, 2010 10:11 PM |
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Pro+Pro+Newbie is a possibility, but alot more likely if you do it this way that the 2 pros will just be doing all the dominating and the newbies game wont count much.
And I am sure Ves would allow us to alter the points to a +1 -1 ratio... even tho I disagree that the most active clan will excel only because of the +3 for win.. Keep in mind it is not +3 points for playing.. It is +3 for winning. Just because I play 100 games doesnt mean I win 100.. And the only -1 for loss is more motivation for the weaker teams to play since they have more to gain and less to lose.
Trust me in the beginning of TOH when divisions was there and no clans.. Nobody KNEW anyone! I had no friends.. no mates.. I developed those bonds from divisions. It opended up a whole new way for me to be matched with players I ordinarilly would not meet and play.. And having a Capt to impress and try and get wins for was very much motivational for me. And when I did get a win for my Team is was such a great feeling. Kept me wanting more and more!
Thats what we need again a fresh new exciting feeling. I challange some of you Veterans to take on that task of Being a leader and training a New team to make successful. Much more respectable to win with 2 lower ranked players then to win with 3 pros. Just take a step back and open your mind and eyes to something new. Thats what is needed is a fresh outlook to boost activity
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 10:13 PM |
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I don't like your idea (Jinxer) and don't think its can work too. You forget we don't have 100 ppl around.
NV i told you my team if there have clans. Don't argue before you ever get second clan
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Natalka
Supreme Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 10:16 PM |
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A little offtopic : I won against Willge, Kis and Fiur but against Strider was my first loss  I wait the day that I will revenge him Strider be ready to play but I won't report if I lose because we have a big point difference hohohohoh
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 10:17 PM |
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No bary force newbie clans to play pro clans. Noobs have other objectives :
first one - to not be the worst clan ...
second - to get to the middle of ranking ... etc
Like in football are Real Madrid, are first division, but also are second division etc.
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Jinxer
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posted January 03, 2010 10:17 PM |
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Fine Elit, you dont want to participate then dont. Please dont post in this thread then any further. This thread is for any and all who are wanting to boost activity and get back to some serious playing.
The old ways are dead. They dont work. So you can remain in the past with your old clan mates not playing if you want. Noone is stopping you.
Another note.. that this would be a team only tourny. No freechallanges. So clan wars would be set and only way you gain points and bonues is to complete the clan war. So that also would prevent a couple of Rogue players with unlimited time from just winning all the points for there team.
Unless I guess we could concider the free challanges and only give +1 for win and -1 for loss.. hmmm possibilities...
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LordMichal
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posted January 03, 2010 10:19 PM |
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NN Pro + Pro + new is sure, cause how many newbies you can have? And if new will play vs new - still will be someone who gain points. Thats beacuse we talk about it - even newbies will have points and imposition. So if clan want to win must train his newbie as much as they can. Also train themselfs too
A Pro - Pro - new
x x x
B Pro - Pro - new
-> everyone has chance to win, if he can and know play. Pro and even newbie.
To your offtopic Nat - if you beat Willge, you werenīt newbie
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DIEGIS
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power of Zamolxis
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posted January 03, 2010 10:22 PM |
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Edited by DIEGIS at 22:23, 03 Jan 2010.
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"Another note.. that this would be a team only tourny. No freechallanges. So clan wars would be set and only way you gain points and bonues is to complete the clan war. So that also would prevent a couple of Rogue players with unlimited time from just winning all the points for there team."
thats what I was about to say...good point
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Jinxer
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posted January 03, 2010 10:24 PM |
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One of the problems with Pro+Pro+Newbie... is the middle ranked players get left out. Lord+Lord+ Squire or lees means that a Baron could not join. And a high ranked Baron is bordering on being a Pro so would be a bit hazy to take him on as a newbie etc.
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Natalka
Supreme Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 10:26 PM |
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I learned a lot from those games while on the other hand playing less experienced players I learned very little to nothing. And the most I learned from playing Strider_HL
Infinitus spelled it right. Newbie clans have also objectives
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LordMichal
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posted January 03, 2010 10:29 PM |
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Quote:
I learned a lot from those games while on the other hand playing less experienced players I learned very little to nothing. And the most I learned from playing Strider_HL
Infinitus spelled it right. Newbie clans have also objectives
Yep you will learn, but when you arenīt abs newbie. If you are, it give you nothing, or same as in game with newbie. If you were experienced was sure good to play them.
If has right - look on last clan season, as said Jinx. It didnīt work. Its good for while, but if you still a still losing, you end this. And its sure new will be losing, cause learn Heroes to beat Lords in for example 2 months but probably much more, is impossible
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted January 03, 2010 10:36 PM |
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Another note.. that this would be a team only tourny. No freechallanges.
If so, to be realist, next clan season is dead from start. Will run even worse compared to last organized "one map" tourneys.
One dead member in clan and this is it - tourney is dead ... Juts take a look how many players get inactive in clans over one season ... Key to keep life in clans are free challenges.
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LordMichal
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posted January 03, 2010 10:36 PM |
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Middle ranked players(Barons) can be second Pro, why not? No one said that 1Pro must be same good as 2Pro. Important is - 2Pro from team A almost same lvl as 2Pro from team B. Sure everytime will be someone better, but its normal
Yep Infi free challenges sure, as said Jinx for example - +1p for win and -1 for loss. Or +2 for win, whatever...
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DIEGIS
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power of Zamolxis
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posted January 03, 2010 10:48 PM |
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Edited by DIEGIS at 22:49, 03 Jan 2010.
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Ive seen squires won vs legionnaire and not once..and so on....so ranked/status means not much in my oppinion, but ofc should be players agreement after all.
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Jinxer
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posted January 03, 2010 10:48 PM |
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I learned a lot from those games while on the other hand playing less experienced players I learned very little to nothing. And the most I learned from playing Strider_HL
GOOD point.. but the point I am trying to make is Think about that from the opposite side The newbies would be learning ALOT from playing players like you Nat.. just as you learned from Strider.. and in the process the newbies get better and then we end up having 100+ good players instead of 15-20 good players instead of a buncha newbies that cant find games and then end up leaving.
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