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angelito
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posted March 11, 2010 09:24 PM |
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No, all sport is physical. That's what a sport is - competitive physical activity.
True, but nothing is said about the intense of that physical activity. So moving a chess figure over the chessboard needs some physical activity too, except you're a professional in telekinesis..
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posted March 11, 2010 10:18 PM |
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sport is generally thought of as actual physical activity.. The kind that doctors would suggest for those needing to improve some health condition.
Walking around is entirely more physicaly demanding than moving a chess piece.
Then there is the other perspective i guess that it is actually a sport. But god forbid a world that uses a mentality that moving a game piece is physical activity and sport... I think using my mouse and keyboard for MMOs is "harder" on the body than playing chess.. lol
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posted March 12, 2010 12:49 AM |
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So how about chess played verbally without a board or pieces?
Playing a soccer game on a computer isn't a sport to me.
@Angelito: if there was a "full 90 minutes" would you want 5 substitutes? 2/3 as many since it is 2/3 as much time.
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posted March 12, 2010 04:38 AM |
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How about this?
There are two goalkeepers in the field in each side, so its a 12 vs 12 thing.
The ball has funny colors, this is very important!!
Whenever a player scores a goal, the whole rival team and the player who scored must drink five shots of tequila. Whenever a player sends the ball off the field, he must drink an entire beer. If a player enters in the game, as a substitution, he must drink a jar of beer. The field has 10 red painted areas, if a player were to stood in this areas, he must drink two glasses of vodka. Whenever a player makes a hat trick, the rivals all must drink a large glass of the cheapest wine. It is allowed to vomit on the ball.
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posted March 12, 2010 08:55 AM |
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sport is generally thought of as actual physical activity.. The kind that doctors would suggest for those needing to improve some health condition.
That is not completely right. You mix up sport and physical culture. Sport is unhealthy!
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posted March 12, 2010 10:45 AM |
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Edited by angelito at 10:45, 12 Mar 2010.
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@Angelito: if there was a "full 90 minutes" would you want 5 substitutes? 2/3 as many since it is 2/3 as much time.
No, I like the idea of "60 minutes effective time". there is no need to lenghten the game at all, but with effective time, you can prevent many bad situations like a substitute walks very slowly off the field to save time, a goalkeeper takes forever to put back the ball on the field, etc...
You can look at the clock and know exactly for how long the game will still run. The referee can't stretch the extra time as long as he wants. When the clock is at zero, game is over, period.
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posted March 12, 2010 11:47 AM |
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One problem with absolute/real time is that it can be non-audiance friendly.
First of all, to me, and I think to most people, sports are about entertainment of the audiance. Entertainment, at least from me, comes from the combination of good play and a close match, so two types of excitement.
That means the most important aspect of the game is the audiance, in the way that it is about what entertain the most, not what is most fair.
The reason absolute/real time can be a problem for the audiance is that it can make it unknown how long a match is actually going to take, depending on how often you stop the time. Where you before knew a match with extra time and half times would require something like 2 hours of your time (also in regard to television), with absolute/real time, I am concerned that the variation of time a match actually takes (due to people dragging it, being slow, etc.) will vary so much, that you'll end up with a somewhat boring match and unpredictable in relation to your own plans (and how TV should set time off to it).
I know that from handball, there's 6 minutes left, one team is behind with 2 goals, so far in the match, there's been in average 1 goal / minute, so I'd expect 6 more goals and so far it has been very varying who has had the lead, so I'd say this should be the exciting part.
However it isn't, because here the team in lead tries to keep on stopping the clock by getting the ball out of feel or commiting a penalty simply to disturb the play of the other team and because the time have to be restarted every time, it ends up with the last 6 minutes only gets a total of 1-2 goals.
Whereas in soccer, you know exactly how long you've got, and yes the opponent will try to slow it down, but here on the other hand the judge will be quick to not allow this and most often the ending of soccer is more hectic than the rest of the match.
At least in my experience that is.
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posted March 12, 2010 01:07 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 13:08, 12 Mar 2010.
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One problem with absolute/real time is that it can be non-audiance friendly.
What is non-audience friendly in basketball, hockey, american football, etc...?
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That means the most important aspect of the game is the audiance, in the way that it is about what entertain the most, not what is most fair.
I tend to disagree here. If that would be the main issue, all team sports would be a copy of the Harlem Globetrotters. In reality, team sport is a big business. Millions of dollars/euros play the main role.
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The reason absolute/real time can be a problem for the audiance is that it can make it unknown how long a match is actually going to take, depending on how often you stop the time.
As I wrote earlier, there is an aprox. play time for every team sport. Of course you can't tell exactly by a minute when the game will end, but there have been thousands of basketball games in the NBA, and you now can tell a game lasts 2:20 - 2:30. Same goes with hockey and handball.
Do you really think for a spectator it is so much important at what time exactly the game ends? I doubt that. Just think of tennis. A match can last 1:30 or 5:30. You never know, because it isn't time related at all, but point related.
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I know that from handball, there's 6 minutes left, one team is behind with 2 goals, so far in the match, there's been in average 1 goal / minute, so I'd expect 6 more goals and so far it has been very varying who has had the lead, so I'd say this should be the exciting part.
However it isn't, because here the team in lead tries to keep on stopping the clock by getting the ball out of feel or commiting a penalty simply to disturb the play of the other team and because the time have to be restarted every time, it ends up with the last 6 minutes only gets a total of 1-2 goals.
I again think this is not quite true, because as it is in basketball, a handball team has a specific amount of time to make a throw towards the goal, same as it is with the shot clock in basketball, only difference is, in handball, this time is not measured by a clock, but by the referees. After 25 seconds and no throw attempt, the referee raises his hand and only short time is left for the attacking team to throw the ball. If they do not attempt, game is stopped and defending team get's the ball. So I can't remember any handball game (and I watch a lot) where only 2 goals were scored in the last 6 minutes due to the issues you brought up.
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Whereas in soccer, you know exactly how long you've got, and yes the opponent will try to slow it down, but here on the other hand the judge will be quick to not allow this and most often the ending of soccer is more hectic than the rest of the match.
In football, such things take much more time than in handball due the size of the field. In handball, a player leaves the court in 3 or 4 seconds, in football, it can take 30 seconds, and the referee can do nothing but tell the player to leave. No player is forced to run off the field. And that's the reason why so many coaches uses the ability to change a palyer in the last 3 or 4 minutes. Not to strengthen their team, but to let the time run down. And that's against the main idea of a team sport in my eyes.
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posted March 14, 2010 03:59 PM |
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And the referee doesn't stop the clock when game is interrupted. He just values the extra time by all things he still has in mind which took a long time. Player changes for example, injuries etc...
I have to disagree here. Yesterday when I was watching Arsenal vs. Hull Sol Campbell broke Kamil Zayatte's leg. Why was he not sent off if Shawcross was sent off for the same offense against Ramsey? But anyway the point is I visually saw the ref onscreen adjust his watch, probably stopping the time, because the player was being stretchered off.
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posted March 14, 2010 04:00 PM |
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a short phrase...
To be able to use weaponary on the football pitch.
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posted March 14, 2010 04:15 PM |
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To be able to use weaponary on the football pitch.
Good luck convincing FIFA. They won't even allow camera technology so they surely wouldn't allow gun technology.
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posted March 14, 2010 05:42 PM |
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Louis van Gaal made a couple of good suggestions recently. An example would be to remove penalty shooting, and instead play overtime but reduce teams one player each every 5 minutes. and play for a golden goal.
Extremely good idea.
Then, I think "flying" player exchange like in other games might be a good idea.
Eliminating offside entirely might not be so bad as well. Makes the game WAY simpler.
Real time? Probably fairer as well.
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posted March 14, 2010 07:06 PM |
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Louis van Gaal made a couple of good suggestions recently. An example would be to remove penalty shooting, and instead play overtime but reduce teams one player each every 5 minutes. and play for a golden goal.
I don't think it's a good idea. Imagine, players have been running for 90 minutes, and then playing lets say 7 vs 7 after 20 minutes. That mean each player should "cover more piece of field", so he must run more. So physically tougher team will probably win. I think that would be decisive factor. Maybe more substitutes should be established in such situation.
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posted March 14, 2010 07:42 PM |
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Sure. The purpose of this rule isn't to make the physically tougher team win, but to make more room on the playing field.
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posted March 14, 2010 10:38 PM |
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I would remove soccer.
Pointless sport where billions of money are wasted on instead of being used for more nescessary stuff.
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posted March 14, 2010 11:04 PM |
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Nice joke Xerox. Did you know tons of players use their money for social good?
For example Craig Bellamy runs schools in some African countries. George Weah has done similar work. In England players are often in the schools talking about respect and hard work etc.
You are wrong.
Edit: I wonder why my threads attract spam. Do all threads or am I special? You have Mvass and William arguing trivialities and Bixie posting as if it is the VW. And of course the latest nonsense from Xerox.
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posted March 15, 2010 12:41 AM |
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If let me choose, I may add a challenge rule like NFL in the match, because in some countries, some matches the refrees helped some teams win by someone in the back ( I mean two teams not play a tacit match), also I think should add the "Eagle eyes" system like in WPT, that's can support the challenge.
Hope I no longer see the Inter and Millano always receive the help from the refrees.
BTW, Ireland this time was so sadly beaten by the fouls goal of Henry.
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posted March 15, 2010 07:31 AM |
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Yeah, we discussed it in soccer thread.
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posted March 15, 2010 09:06 AM |
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To be able to use weaponary on the football pitch.
Good luck convincing FIFA. They won't even allow camera technology so they surely wouldn't allow gun technology.
it's what would you change in football.
It wouldn't be guns and such, but medieval weapons like swords and morning stars. by that logic, the national team would consist of at least 100 players as reserves is someone dies.
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posted March 24, 2010 09:52 AM |
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I say:
- let the off-sides stay because it's a good way do defend strategically and also penalizes forwards who wait and do nothing;
- video checking of controversial decisions and also the abilitity that after the video check-up to change the referee's decision;
- cancel the rule of the away goal.
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