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Jabanoss
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posted January 01, 2011 12:57 PM

Sounds awesome, I approve

Really like the "lore" behind the Slayers as well. Cool if they have all possible races as their heroes
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Adrius
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posted January 01, 2011 01:02 PM

Uniting races have been a common theme in my factions lately. The Serpent Cult had heroes from pretty much all factions too

Yeah, since the Coven recruits all sorts of criminals it's only logical that they have a lot of racial diversity.

I also hope that the Slayers will create a nice contrast to the Witches.

Witches are generally calm and collected, yet cruel when they need to be. They honour their position as spiritual leaders.

...Whereas a Slayer can be a complete psycho as long as he gets the job done
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Adrius
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posted January 02, 2011 04:13 PM

Thanks for the QP Alci, and well deserved QPs for Jabanoss and Joonas as well, the help I get from others is invaluable
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alcibiades
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posted January 02, 2011 05:46 PM

You're welcome. Like I said in the Feedback thread, don't hold yourselves back if you see something you think deserves a QP.
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Adrius
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posted January 03, 2011 01:00 AM

@Alci: Noted

UPDATE

-Added some stuff to the lore section. An explanation of the Moonrealm and the story of the first Witch and founder of the Coven, Arlyxia.
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Jabanoss
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posted January 04, 2011 12:44 AM

The Moonrealm
I like your thoughts on this, how spirits confused travels around and form bigger, stronger and more importantly self-aware creatures. I really like the fact that the Moonrealm creatures are kinda alien in their mind and appearance.
But something I wonder, what makes certain spirits creates the certain creatures that they do? I mean what makes it that some become a Phooka and another one a Moon Lord?

The Witches
Awesome read
Loved all of it, however can't really comment on if Urgash would act like that lore-wise, but intriguing nonetheless
Just one quick question, Why only her "daughters"? why not men? I mean I understand why YOU choose to have it that way since it is cooler
But why don't Arlyxia let men have this knowledge lore-wise?
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Adrius
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posted January 04, 2011 01:04 AM
Edited by Adrius at 01:07, 04 Jan 2011.

Thank you.

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But something I wonder, what makes certain spirits creates the certain creatures that they do? I mean what makes it that some become a Phooka and another one a Moon Lord?

I knew this question would come up

Uh yeah... hard question though...

I guess it could depend on the personality of the core spirit. I don't have a full explanation for it yet. Though I don't see anything bad in leaving it as a mystery either.

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Loved all of it, however can't really comment on if Urgash would act like that lore-wise, but intriguing nonetheless

It is not Urgash himself though, it is simply an aspect of his power, a mere fraction of him. I doubt that Urgash would have a set personality anyway though, seeing as his nature is chaos.
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Just one quick question, Why only her "daughters"? why not men? I mean I understand why YOU choose to have it that way since it is cooler
But why don't Arlyxia let men have this knowledge lore-wise?

I just remembered that I left out a lore detail that would've explained that: Those of Witch heritage can only have female children.

So there simply isn't any male descendants of Arlyxia. Why they can't have male children is not entirely known, but the Witches believe that Urgash wanted Arlyxia's descendants to be as close to his favoured one as possible.

EDIT: Mini mini Update - Switched the word "daughters" to "children" in lore to avoid plothole
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Jabanoss
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posted January 04, 2011 01:15 AM
Edited by Jabanoss at 01:21, 04 Jan 2011.

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I guess it could depend on the personality of the core spirit. I don't have a full explanation for it yet. Though I don't see anything bad in leaving it as a mystery either.

Haha yeah it's probably best to leave it as a mystery
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Azagal
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posted January 15, 2011 07:04 PM

You already have 6 pages of praise for your faction in a place where stuff like this usually dies at page 2 and you're still linking to it? Vanity much?

In other news I like it... also very smoooooth presentation good job.
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Jabanoss
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posted January 15, 2011 07:07 PM

He just want to beat Nightterror
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Adrius
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posted January 15, 2011 07:11 PM
Edited by Adrius at 19:12, 15 Jan 2011.

Nightterror hahahaha I've already made her project 5x better by modifying her dinosaur, she owes her success to me anyway

Thanks Azzie, I'm far from done with it which is why I'm still linking to it. I'm at a lack of stuff to do right now considering that we don't really know anything about the skill-system and stuff yet.

I'm thinking of adding and tweaking a lot of the abilities though.
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Azagal
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posted January 15, 2011 07:49 PM

Yeah might want to tweak
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Dark Synergy
that's some really powerfull stuff should it work with mass spells. Basically a free rune of Battle Rage everytime the hero gets a turn.
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Adrius
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posted January 15, 2011 07:52 PM
Edited by Adrius at 19:55, 15 Jan 2011.

Aha! Way ahead of you

Coven sucks with Mass Area spells, as mentioned in the strategy section. They prefer powerful direct damage spells and curses, taking out the enemy's most crucial element rather than affecting every unit. Since spells are now gained through choice on level-ups, I can simply tweak their skill-set to make it very hard for them to access Mass spells.
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Azagal
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posted January 15, 2011 07:56 PM

Ah. Guess "Dark version of Air and Fire" kinda made me go Dark Magic... hmm and maybe because they all look a bit creepy. Still powerful stuff considering you have 1 caster in the mix. Basically an upgraded Lizard Bite.
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Adrius
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posted January 15, 2011 08:01 PM
Edited by Adrius at 12:52, 16 Jan 2011.

They are proficient with Dark Magic as well, they are generally proficient with every sort of magic that is harmful though they tend to lean towards lightning and fire. They are just not that good with spells that cover areas.

I have two casters actually, one is a tank-support-caster and the other a direct-damage-caster.

Yes, it is indeed powerful, but also a lot of fun imo. I do not generally post creature stats (Attack, Defence etc) but I guess most abilities could be balanced by tweaking those.

EDIT:

Update

- Dark Artists now also have the Invocator's Draining Aura
- New Invocator Ability
Spellfire (Activated Ability. The Invocator targets an enemy Caster unit. After the enemy creature has used a spell, it receives damage equal to the [number of Invocators * 1.5] * Mana used by enemy Caster. Spellfire lasts for 3 turns and can be cleansed like a spell.)
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posted January 16, 2011 04:31 PM

the idea is good but overall it does't work for me, however...
the artwork for "the coven" town and the phooka are awesome!
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
posted January 17, 2011 08:44 PM
Edited by JoonasTo at 20:45, 17 Jan 2011.

Just to annoy Ad with triviality but it's the males not the females who are a key to the child's gender.


Reading through the updated faction now...


Wouldn't the unstable ability sound better if it worked when struck no twhen striking? It would represent the unstable nature of the spooklight for random magical outbursts upon interference.


I LOVE the new invocators. Excellent changes there.


Fatal strike is



Think about reducing Magma Dragon defense to zero and attacking with wraiths in H5. It would mean 3 times the damage.
Then again, think about reducing goblin defense to zero and attacking with wraits in H5. It will give 5% more damage.

That needs work I think.


PS. Quite interesting urqash you created there. I would not describe the meeting with Urqash in so much detail but rather leave it more shrouded in mystery. He's a god. Would she have passed down exactly what happened? Would she even be able to?
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Adrius
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posted January 17, 2011 11:04 PM
Edited by Adrius at 23:06, 17 Jan 2011.

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Just to annoy Ad with triviality but it's the males not the females who are a key to the child's gender.

MAGIC!

I'm still unsure about that part though, kinda just thought it up to counter Jaba's argument real quick

I guess I could make it a cultural thing rather than a biological one, that they only raise female Witches to honour Arlyxia or sumthin'.

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Wouldn't the unstable ability sound better if it worked when struck no twhen striking? It would represent the unstable nature of the spooklight for random magical outbursts upon interference.

Very true, also more balanced. I like it

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Think about reducing Magma Dragon defense to zero and attacking with wraiths in H5. It would mean 3 times the damage.
Then again, think about reducing goblin defense to zero and attacking with wraits in H5. It will give 5% more damage.

That needs work I think.

Argh... balancing. I just you know... thought it sounded like a kinda logical alternative to the Empowered Magic.

I guess... maybe lowering the values a bit would suffice? Argh I dunno... this Might racial is killing me.

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Would she have passed down exactly what happened? Would she even be able to?

Ahh well... I didn't write it from the Coven's viewpoint, I rather just let my mind flow and tried to create an interesting conversation. I made it in like 10 minutes, the story just struck my mind.

Might edit it later. Everything's WIP, fortunately.
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
posted January 17, 2011 11:29 PM

I knew you'd bring the magic into it.

If you're lazy you could just put damage values into the fatal strike. It would be boring though.
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Adrius
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posted January 17, 2011 11:36 PM

Yeah that's really boring, it's better to leave it as favoring high-defence enemies imo.

In fact the current one isn't really that bad... getting 100% decrease takes quite some time and it's still interesting enough since it also affects Magic Defense.

It's not perfect but I still think it can be a fun racial. Like "oh you mofo I've saved this one up, SAY GOODBYE to your fricking Pit Lords!"

It's part of the Coven appeal, suddenly busting out a move that changes the entire flow of battle.
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