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posted January 08, 2011 09:45 PM |
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Congresswoman shot
0 TUCSON, Ariz. – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot in the head Saturday, an aide was killed, and an unknown number of others were wounded when an assailant opened fire outside a grocery store as the Democratic lawmaker met with constituents, officials said.
C.J. Karamargin, a spokesman for Giffords, said the congresswoman was in surgery as of 1 p.m. local time and that an unspecified number of Giffords staff members were injured in the shooting. Karamargin said he had no other information on the conditions of the injured or on the circumstances of the shooting.
Congressional officials said an aide to the Democrat was killed, and unknown number of others were injured, including staffers to the lawmaker.
President Barack Obama called the shooting "an unspeakable tragedy" and that such "a senseless and terrible act of violence has no place in a free society.
U.S. Capitol police say the shooter is in custody as one official said he carried out the attack with an automatic weapon. The officials who described the events did so on condition of anonymity, saying they were not permitted to comment publicly.
"I am horrified by the senseless attack on Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and members of her staff," newly elected House Speaker John Boehner said. "An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. Acts and threats of violence against public officials have no place in our society. Our prayers are with Congresswoman Giffords, her staff, all who were injured, and their families. This is a sad day for our country."
Three hours after the shooting, the L-shaped shopping center in Tucson was blocked off by police and had fire trucks and other vehicles in its parking lot that blocked the view of the store's front door. No shell casing could be seen from the area 500 yards from the store where reporters and photographers were kept.
Giffords, 40, was re-elected to her third term last November. She was a member of the Arizona House and Senate before coming to Washington.
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posted January 09, 2011 12:00 PM |
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I cleaned the thread, lets keep some decorum and tact.
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posted January 09, 2011 06:26 PM |
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I think it's pretty sad that we can't have a civilized conversation about a public servant being shot execution style in the back of the head while she was shopping for groceries.
I don't really care what the woman's politics were. She was young and had a family. Nobody deserves to have this happen to them. Nobody.
Show some respect, people.
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posted January 09, 2011 07:13 PM |
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I agree with Corribus. Anyway I'll add that people notice and in this case post about it, when something like this happen to a famous person. But most of times it happen to just ordinary persons. But no one really care about them, except their relatives, friends and the journalists that get paid for stories like this one. It's sad.
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posted January 09, 2011 07:21 PM |
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If she survives and comes out of it mentally intact, she'll be on her way to senator in no time.
edit: btw if you really want to see tactless posting, just skim the comments section below the article Mvass posted. People are just bursting with their adorable little opinions 
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posted January 09, 2011 07:33 PM |
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I agree with Corribus. Anyway I'll add that people notice and in this case post about it, when something like this happen to a famous person. But most of times it happen to just ordinary persons. But no one really care about them, except their relatives, friends and the journalists that get paid for stories like this one. It's sad.
In all fairness, most "ordinary persons" do not get assassinated. And usually when a person opens fire into a group of innocent people, it's on the news everywhere.
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posted January 09, 2011 08:18 PM |
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The killer fired 19 shots, killing six and hurting a lot more.
It's one thing to hate someone and kill THAT PERSON, but it's another to kill a person and then, since you are at it, kill everyone standing around for good measure.
So we should be careful to just see the fact that someone head-shot a congresswoman; somewent went amok and tried to kill as many people as possible - not unlike those school shootings. So I'd be loathe to call this a political assassination. It's "just" a deed of madness.
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posted January 09, 2011 08:53 PM |
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In all fairness, most "ordinary persons" do not get assassinated. And usually when a person opens fire into a group of innocent people, it's on the news everywhere.
The news is named "Congresswoman shot", but 6 were killed. Not one.
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posted January 09, 2011 09:05 PM |
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The news is named "Congresswoman shot", but 6 were killed. Not one.
I'm not sure what your point is.
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posted January 10, 2011 04:47 PM |
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The point is that it is typical snowty subjective reporting.
It's the same when I read about "Two Dutch persons died from a bus crash in Chili". Even when it's obvious more people died in the same crash. So why do they only mention those two Dutch persons, as if I even knew them and am supposedly more connected to them than the other persons?
Same applies to this message; Congresswoman shot! As if she is more important than the other victims.
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I don't really care what the woman's politics were. She was young and had a family. Nobody deserves to have this happen to them. Nobody.
I'd call hypocrism but that would be off topic.
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posted January 10, 2011 04:53 PM |
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When Mvass posted that, I don't think the headlines mentioned six deaths yet. That came shortly after.
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posted January 10, 2011 04:53 PM |
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She's a Congresswoman. There's nothing unjust or silly about there being a big story over her getting shot. This event has political ramifications that otherwise wouldn't exist.
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posted January 10, 2011 05:02 PM |
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As far as i know she will survive.
One person who was shot was a respected federal judge.
Another which my heart goes out to the family is a 9 year old girl, the first to die at the hospital.
Grandfather of a former manager.
She was interested in politics as well as being in a magazine i think a year ago about being the future of politics or something like that.
She went to that Safeway shopping center everyday & went with an Uncle to learn more about politics.
Until that madman came in.
The 22 year old shooter was a looser if i remember.
A stoner & a drop put.
Also having his own views on certain politics which was very strong.
Disagreements with Giffords views did not cause for this though.
I am sure there is more to it from the little i read.
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posted January 10, 2011 05:29 PM |
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News are about interest level, not about fairness or equality.
Millions of people die every day due to cancer. But no one is interesting in the death of Mr. Mike Smith, but if a celebrity dies of cancer, many more people like to hear/read about it.
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posted January 10, 2011 05:29 PM |
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Congresswoman shot! As if she is more important than the other victims.
Who said she was "more important"?
I still don't get what you are so upset about. Six people died in a shooting and numerous others were wounded. A US Congresswoman was wounded by a man who was clearly targeting her for execution. (She is, by the way, only the seventh Congressman/woman wounded while in office during the entire history of the United States, so it's not a common event.) By all accounts the shooter was a paranoid schizophrenic who had a history of creeping out people who were around him and posting crazy snow online, and nobody (not even his parents, with whom he lived) thought to do anything about it, offering yet another potent example of the problem with the way our society deals with mental illness.
There's a lot of good stuff we could be talking about, and yet what you're fixated on spitting fire and vitriol about is the way the early headlines were worded?
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I'd call hypocrism but that would be off topic.
What?
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posted January 10, 2011 05:37 PM |
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Well you said you didn't get Vokial's point, I was just explaining it is all.
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News are about interest level, not about fairness or equality.
Millions of people die every day due to cancer. But no one is interesting in the death of Mr. Mike Smith, but if a celebrity dies of cancer, many more people like to hear/read about it.
And that's exactly what I find so disgusting about this world. Now I know it would be pretty stupid to equally report on every single death occurring over the world, but the hype that tends to come up around any remotely "known" person is what I find loathsome, particularly when a specific celebrity really did little to nothing to actually contribute to the world.
To me it's the same how soccer players are revered in my country as if they are so important, while they tend to have the brains of an immature peanut and would be the last integrity-lacking persons you would want your kid to look up to as rolemodels. And yet that's exactly how they are seen in this society.
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posted January 10, 2011 05:54 PM |
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Sure you have a point, but isn't that more of a subject for another thread? Whatever the media does doesn't change the fact that a very serious shooting has occured - of which the main target apparently was the congresswoman Giffords.
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posted January 10, 2011 06:18 PM |
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Well, that's exactly what *I* object against.
Main target or not, if a guy shoots someone and then randomly shoots omn and on, the main target becomes irrelevant, because the death (if it comes to it) is no statement anymore.
I mean, if I shoot a Jew and babble something about Jewish financial world dominion, the assassination is a statement (albeit a very ugly one). If, however, I congtinue to shoot, killing two muslimic blacks and three Christians randomly, because they happen to stand around, my racist statement becomes one of rabid madness.
Which is the case here as well; the whole political climate debate is just political mud-slinging, because that guy would have cracked anyway at some time and gone on a killing spree.
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posted January 10, 2011 06:43 PM |
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I am not quite sure what is the huge difference you are trying to outline here. The person was very interested in politics. He planned the assassination, as the documents found at the killers house prove. The killing spree that followed doen't nullify that - not in my eyes and not in the eyes of the law. Even if the latter act is more horrible.
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posted January 10, 2011 06:51 PM |
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She may of been the main target, but the real targets was everyone that participated in the meeting or stand bye.
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