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DarkLord
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posted January 23, 2011 12:24 PM |
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I prefer Editor over RMG!
The reason is simple..
What is the main reason people love RMG? To play the map they never played before.. to discover the map and have fun..
And the answer is simple as well..
Download it!!! easy..!
What is the main reason people love Editor? Cuz YOU take control of the situation!!! you can change maps, create your own maps, create your storyline!!! much room for imagination!!!
but what IF you can not be bothered to create a map from a clean page??? well there are always people who are willing to do it! and again Download the maps! you can edit one two things if you want to and here we go.. Map is ready to play and have fun!!!
Read the map reviews / comments and the possibility to get bugs in game will reduce dramatically , comparing to RMG, where you can discover something you don't like in the middle of the long game..
So guys, if you think about it, RMG stands no chance in comparsion to Editor! No chance , really!
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veco
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posted January 23, 2011 12:29 PM |
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Aren't we getting and editor anyway?
If so then the question should be
-RMG
-more polished editor
still would pick the editor though.
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kodial79
Promising
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posted January 23, 2011 12:46 PM |
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You people have a bad habit of not reading other people's posts.
Here, let me fix this for you:
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but what IF you can not be bothered to create a map from a clean page??? well there are always people who are willing to do it! and again Download the maps! you can edit one two things if you want to and here we go.. Map is ready to play after a few months and have fun!!!
There, fixed.
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DarkLord
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posted January 23, 2011 01:48 PM |
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You people have a bad habit of not reading other people's posts.
Here, let me fix this for you:
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but what IF you can not be bothered to create a map from a clean page??? well there are always people who are willing to do it! and again Download the maps! you can edit one two things if you want to and here we go.. Map is ready to play after a few months and have fun!!!
There, fixed.
Didn't know that for some people editing one two things takes few months lol  .Maybe you never touched editor in your life..
For one two months you can create your own tiny map 
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Warlord
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Lord of Image Spam
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posted January 23, 2011 02:00 PM |
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For RMG, I meant a good RMG, not Heroes 5 style. (just saying)
Darklord, so you're saying that to make a new map all you do is edit a few things? That won't be a new map. That's like recoloring a creature but not changing anything else.
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kodial79
Promising
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posted January 23, 2011 02:03 PM |
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You people have a bad habit of not reading other people's posts.
Here, let me fix this for you:
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but what IF you can not be bothered to create a map from a clean page??? well there are always people who are willing to do it! and again Download the maps! you can edit one two things if you want to and here we go.. Map is ready to play after a few months and have fun!!!
There, fixed.
Didn't know that for some people editing one two things takes few months lol .Maybe you never touched editor in your life..
For one two months you can create your own tiny map
Editing? No. Creating, yes. That's how long is going to take to find a map just the way you want it.
There's going to be a few maps in the first month ready for download. But I can assure you, no map will be just the way I want it. It's gonna take a few months to find a good map, and that's for sure. And that will only be just one map. I want plenty!
I quote my previous and give me an answer, please:
"I want XL maps with all factions, and the maximum number of starting towns that can be in the game. I want them to have underground and sea. I want them to have bosses. I want them to be rich and balanced. And I want a lot of such maps. I want at least a dozen to choose from. And I want all that when I finish the installation of the game, I don't want to wait. RMG would give me all that. Can the Mapmakers say the same?"
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infinitus
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posted January 23, 2011 02:24 PM |
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Quality Heroes game must have map editor and RMG generator. This discussion is more like custom maps vs RMG maps... Well i don't like custom maps and not play such maps for years, rmg maps only... Why ? Because many custom maps are imbalanced, overstaffed with goods, arts and resources. For other side i know what to expect from rmg template, results are predictable, still rmg is fresh and new every time ...
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Meherunes
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posted January 23, 2011 05:29 PM |
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I prefer Editor over RMG!
The reason is simple..
What is the main reason people love RMG? To play the map they never played before.. to discover the map and have fun..
And the answer is simple as well..
Download it!!! easy..!
I'm sorry, we already went through this on discussion thread and I will tell it again nevertheless...
It's faster to get a good Random Map rather than find a good downloadable map. Even if you read the reviews, no one will say: "aw god damn, that obelisk is not where I wanted it to be!" Each person has his own preferences, I don't think there can be a general problem like you can't access a town because the editor would have realised that.
In a random map, it is fair, you don't know the map, and if the RMG is made well, there are no bugs. Your main reason is wrong: the real one is that it is the fastest way to get a good map that you like. I think RMG can be closer to perfection than a human made map. Then comes the discovering part and the fairness and whatnot.
GIVE US RMG IN A PATCH SOON AFTER THE GAME RELEASE!
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DarkLord
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posted January 23, 2011 05:35 PM |
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Quote:
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I prefer Editor over RMG!
The reason is simple..
What is the main reason people love RMG? To play the map they never played before.. to discover the map and have fun..
And the answer is simple as well..
Download it!!! easy..!
I'm sorry, we already went through this on discussion thread and I will tell it again nevertheless...
It's faster to get a good Random Map rather than find a good downloadable map. Even if you read the reviews, no one will say: "aw god damn, that obelisk is not where I wanted it to be!" Each person has his own preferences, I don't think there can be a general problem like you can't access a town because the editor would have realised that.
In a random map, it is fair, you don't know the map, and if the RMG is made well, there are no bugs. Your main reason is wrong: the real one is that it is the fastest way to get a good map that you like. I think RMG can be closer to perfection than a human made map. Then comes the discovering part and the fairness and whatnot.
GIVE US RMG IN A PATCH SOON AFTER THE GAME RELEASE!
well, my friend, look closer! you have to choose between those two!
of course if there was a choice to go for both, every single person will vote for it.. The thing is that you have to choose between Map Generator OR Editor! And the answer is clear that Editor is more useful.. It gives you more possibilities.. As without RMG you can still download maps , so you have an option. While without Map Editor, what can you do??
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KingImp
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posted January 23, 2011 05:41 PM |
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Edited by KingImp at 17:43, 23 Jan 2011.
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While I do want both, I think the editor is clearly the priority and this post sums it up perfectly for me.
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Editor, there's no discussion really. Why?
RMG > Allows computer to make random, not planned maps, which will probably not look very good, even if they work.
EDITOR > Allows fans to make thought out, planned maps with storylines, which can look beautiful due to human eye for detail.
So I mean, why would one prioritize first over second?
I've yet to play a random map that seemed to make any sense with where and how things were placed. With the editor, while it does take longer, I and the rest of the community can plan out a concept so it's not just a straight shot between castles for the AI to attack. There is nothing I hate more than the AI coming after me 1 week into the game.
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Meherunes
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posted January 23, 2011 05:45 PM |
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While without Map Editor, what can you do??
.....Generate Random Maps.....
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Aosaw
Promising
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posted January 23, 2011 06:16 PM |
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Edited by Aosaw at 18:26, 23 Jan 2011.
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Something to consider - and I know it's small, but it's there - is that every game in the series since Heroes 3 has had eight players. That means, for every map, you really had eight maps, because you could choose a different location to start, and that would necessarily change the way the map played out.
In Heroes V, where there were a ton of maps, there were also a lot of instances where although you could start in one of eight different places, the places you started in were all sadly uniform. You played through these maps once, and then never again, because no matter which player you were, you knew the game experience was going to be more or less identical. (I'm looking specifically at the Heritage, Warlords, and Rise to Power maps, where the arrangement of players was determined on a geometric pattern across the board. It made things "fair", but it didn't make things interesting by any stretch of the imagination; whereas War at the Crossing gave you a vastly different experience depending on whether you were Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Purple, Brown, Orange, or Teal.)
This time, there are only ten maps, which means that unless they're not spending any time making them playable, they should be ten great maps. Which means that every time you play them, assuming that you play as a different player each time, the map will be different and exciting.
EDIT: Forgot to state my preference: I'd rather have a random map generator eventually, since I'll probably never use the editor. However, when it comes to designing an RMG that works (and works well), having a solid editor will help a lot. There are algorithms you can use that will allow the AI to use the editor to create a random, original, and interesting map that's also playable, because the AI is using the same tool that the players are; whereas if you started with the RMG, the AI would be more or less flying blind (which is how you end up with things like towns not being placed on native terrain, roads ending in the wrong side of a one-way portal, etc.).
So my vote goes to the editor, since it will benefit more people more greatly, and in the long run it will make the RMG better as well, which will benefit everyone.
Add to that the fact that you now have twelve different players to choose from, and what you're looking at is a quite solid collection of maps to choose from. Will all ten maps be 12-player ones? Probably not. But some of them undoubtedly will be.
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Cepheus
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posted January 23, 2011 06:23 PM |
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"I want XL maps with all factions, and the maximum number of starting towns that can be in the game. I want them to have underground and sea. I want them to have bosses. I want them to be rich and balanced. And I want a lot of such maps. I want at least a dozen to choose from. And I want all that when I finish the installation of the game, I don't want to wait. RMG would give me all that. Can the Mapmakers say the same?"
Well I'm not sure about a full dozen, but I'll see what I can do 
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markkur
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Once upon a time
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posted January 23, 2011 06:50 PM |
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I am a Editor fan all-the-way and for me, an RMG is a very distant second but I still see the serious need for the RMG. <IMO> It is no small thing for a lot of folks to have a high-Quality RMG, since it is an "instant, on-demand map-maker".
One thing I'll add about the map-making though is; "at first" the Editor's value will not be as great as it will be...further down the road. The long life of H3 testifies to the Editors importance, in extending SoD to WoG.
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
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posted January 23, 2011 09:27 PM |
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I voted for editor, 'cause first it is fun to make maps and second the RMG can't make this extremly impossible, full of story with cool events maps, wich you play for days.
But a really good RMG (not that h5 crap) could be more usefull than an easy editor, 'cause than you will have as many good multiplayer-like xxl maps in few seconds as you want. In this case an editor like in h5 could be enough, because the people who make good maps can handle also an complex editor.
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MattII
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posted January 23, 2011 10:46 PM |
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It's easier to make a good editor than a good RMG (H3 had a good editor, but the RMG was a bit junky since, it tended to situate towns off their natural terrains, like placing Inferno or Tower on Rough, or Stronghold or Fortress on snow etc.).
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mamgaeater
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posted January 24, 2011 12:24 AM |
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It's a silly question. An editor is much easier to package with the game than an rmg. (especially for a game like heroes). And an editor would make more sense to come first.
I voted for Rmg though.
The problem i have with custom made maps is that they create maps according to the mapmakers preference. I eventually gave up on searching for maps for h5 because quite frankly i couldn't find any i was interested in. I was looking for a particular style of map but i could not find many of that style. There were surprisingly few big team maps and the few i found did not satisfy me. With an rmg all you have to do is plug in some values and there ya go. pump it till ya get something good.
Plus it is fun to see what kind of thing the rmg makes.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted January 24, 2011 01:37 AM |
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In H5 both the editor and RMG were bad if what I've heard here are anything to go by, and while you can use an editor to correct a not-in-game generated map that may have a few errors, without an editor...
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Kraken
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posted January 24, 2011 03:02 AM |
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RMG or Editor
Why not both?
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Zeki
Supreme Hero
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posted January 25, 2011 02:39 PM |
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Edited by Zeki at 14:40, 25 Jan 2011.
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As Warlord said:
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If I put both, then everybody would vote that. I mean, might as well have it all, right?
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