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SkrentyzMienty
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posted March 04, 2011 11:58 PM |
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Meet your Meat
Watch this video, and post if you are a vegetarian or not, why, and your general opinion on how effed up humans are:
http://bit.ly/9meXMN
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Jabanoss
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posted March 05, 2011 12:05 AM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 00:18, 05 Mar 2011.
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From the other thread...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLARtaP8mMg&feature=related
Is that terrible?
Yes it is!
Should such treatment be allow?
Never and nowhere on this planet!
Should Humans eat meat or drink milk?
Yes they should if they so wish.
You see Skrentyz the things in that video(only watched that one) is terrible and such treatment should definitely be forbidden, but it doesn't mean meat shouldn't be consumed, even less milk or eggs.
To me the most important part when eating meat is to making sure that the animals are being treated fairly. (Give me a response and I will add more...)
Edit: I can also add that I often avoid eating fish for the the reason mentioned in the video above, and of course for the reason the they are being fish out...
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baklava
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posted March 05, 2011 12:41 AM |
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Edited by baklava at 00:42, 05 Mar 2011.
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See this.
(2:12-3:44)
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted March 05, 2011 12:48 AM |
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Bleh, you're lousy. That video isn't even relevant. It's about animal abuse. You do realise usual slughterhouse is quite different?
But since we're at it.
YEAH!
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baklava
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posted March 05, 2011 01:04 AM |
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When you've seen my video, Skrentyz, check this out.
God knows there are hardly too many greater nature lovers and criticizers of humanity than me.
That said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat.
Blatant sadism like that in these videos is, of course, worthy of a prison sentence, but as Joonas said, your normal slaughter house is nothing like that. Domestic animals are certainly killed far more quickly than a solitary baby elephant when a pack of lions hunts it down and wounds it slowly so that it collapses defenselessly, or parasitic wasps injecting their larvae into the bellies of their victims, leaving them paralyzed and slowly eaten from the inside by the baby wasp. What I find awfully irritating is how most vegetarians consider themselves ethically higher than meat-eaters, because "they don't support murder". Because plants aren't alive, are they. It's not like they grow, breathe, evolve or reproduce, like we do.
We need to protect nature in any way we can, but stop feeding our illusions about it, just in order to simplify things and feel better about ourselves. Nature is a dirty place about stuff like that. We are omnivores, we ought to eat what omnivores eat. Treat sadistic psychos how they deserve it but realize you're not a better person if you don't eat meat.
That's pretty much it.
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Adrius
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posted March 05, 2011 01:10 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 01:11, 05 Mar 2011.
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Disclaimer: I will not watch the video cuz I don't feel like being grossed out at the moment. I can imagine what it is.
I am not a vegetarian.
I do not support any animal abusers to any greater extent that I am aware of, seeing as 99% of the meat I eat comes from moose killed and slaughtered locally.
Humanity is pretty awesome, especially the ones that have boobs. Sure there are a few weird ones here and there... but weirdness is relative anyway. Had I been raised in an area where the culture included animal abuse I am sure my values would've differed.
Not to say that I support such behaviour towards animals, but I can at least try to understand and not just condemn and hold ideals.
If my family is poor and I have to try and make as much profit as possible, and the only available work is at a questionable slaughterhouse, I believe I would perhaps try to endure the hardship of hurting animals.
Hard for me to judge without knowing all the details.
The solution sure ain't just closing down such slaughterhouses however... need to send 'em money and support so they can build up a humane yet still affordable workingplace...
Sure is easier to just point and scream "EVIIIIL!" than actually offering any real support for the cause though.
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blizzardboy
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posted March 05, 2011 01:25 AM |
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When/if meat is able to be commercially and efficiently grown in synthetic vats, killing animals for food will be considered mainstream immorality within several decades. If that technology never comes about, killing animals for food will never be considered immoral. Convenience takes priority in the world.
Women's rights didn't come about until improved technologies made the role of homeowner become less important. Maintaining the home, clothing, food, and other chores was no longer a full-time job. If such technologies never came about, I believe women would be 2nd class citizens even today. Take whatever other example you wish: change occurs almost always when inconvenience is no longer an obstacle, and not before.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 05, 2011 09:15 AM |
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@ Baklava: thanks for that post, man. I couldn't agree more.
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baklava
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posted March 05, 2011 11:01 AM |
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It's cool, man.
Speaking of thanks, here's an idea; when someone posts something you agree with completely, he gets a Joker, meaning, they can drag you into one discussion of choice and you have to be on that person's side for the rest of it.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
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veco
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posted March 05, 2011 11:05 AM |
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Brilliant, the OSM will become a card game!
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Adrius
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posted March 05, 2011 11:46 AM |
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted March 05, 2011 11:51 AM |
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JollyJoker
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posted March 05, 2011 12:07 PM |
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It's cool, man.
Speaking of thanks, here's an idea; when someone posts something you agree with completely, he gets a Joker, meaning, they can drag you into one discussion of choice and you have to be on that person's side for the rest of it.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
Provided everyone played fair - which I don't believe for a second.
Instead not only would no one agree with anyone else anymore - which isn't unheard of here, in times - but made a point to disagree, even if they would agree in principle.
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SkrentyzMienty
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posted March 05, 2011 01:07 PM |
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I knew that's the kind of responses this thread would receive, you are humans after all, at least honest in your opinion though...
For one moment, ignore what is "natural", because I personally don't give a damn for natural laws and the way this disgusting world looks like, but think for yourself what is FAIR, empowered by the fact humans could easily live healthy (even healthier) lives with an exclusively vegetarian diet, take me as an example. Take this for instance:
What is natural - an instinct/need of conquering new territories and exterminating other "tribes" opposing, this has been seen in human history on each step. Nazis, British and Spanish slave traders, British slaughtering Native Americans to conquer their new land etc.
What is FAIR - None of the above. Nazis gassing millions of Jews (and not only by the way) fair? No. There is no difference between Nazis gassing the Jews and humans slaughtering animals.
What all of ou are basically saying, is that killing animals is fine, because they cannot defend themselves, they have no one to help them, and because no HUMANS get hurt.  OH! And because they taste good, forgot that argument...I don't doubt your asses, livers, limbs, and hearts would have flavour valors too.
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Is that terrible?
Yes it is!
Should such treatment be allow?
Never and nowhere on this planet!
Should Humans eat meat or drink milk?
Yes they should if they so wish.
Should rapists rape?
-Yes if they so wish.
Should child molestors molest kids?
-Yes if they so wish.
Should serial killers slaughter people?
-Yes if they so wish.
Should suicide bombers detonate themselves in highly populated areas?
-Yes if they so wish.
Should dictators exploit the poor citizens of their countries?
-Yes if they so wish.
Sould Muslim men have the right to flush their wives faces with acid?
-Yes if they so wish.
Sould I blow your head off?
-Yes if I so wish.
hmm...Okay. Your conclusion is that sh*t in this world shouldn't be opposed and criticised because someone WISHES so? 
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See this.
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WTH? First, what do I care for PETA and how am I associated with it? Second, dogs and cats aren't animals killed for meat at least in the Western World, like cows and chickens of which I was talking.
hahaha, this video (the rest of it) is just pathetically intelligence-insulting propaganda from some PETA haters, ridiculous.
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Bleh, you're lousy. That video isn't even relevant. It's about animal abuse. You do realise usual slughterhouse is quite different?
But since we're at it.
YEAH!
That video IS relevant, and I posted that one in particular, though it hardly portrays the true horrors animals face, because it had a relatively good narration of the issue from Paul McCartney...
And yeah, I know what slaughterhouses look like, I know everything. What the hell of an argument is "usual slaughterhouses are quite different"? It's like saying "hey, usual concentration camps are quite different, it's just Auchwitz that's so bad..."
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God knows there are hardly too many greater nature lovers and criticizers of humanity than me.
God doesn't exist, just saying.
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That said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with eating meat.
Says who? You? General human morals? Well human qualities hardly reflect what's right and wrong, and taking your statement, I bet you don't consider anything wrong.
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What I find awfully irritating is how most vegetarians consider themselves ethically higher than meat-eaters, because "they don't support murder".
I can't speak for any other vegetarians, because I practically know only one other person that's also vegetarian, so I'll speak for myself. What I find awfully irritating is the hypocrisy of carnivorous human dirtbags being who they are and STILL having a religion. Well not supporting murder IS ethically higher than supporting it, don't you agree? Anyways, I personally don't consume meat first, because I think killing animals is wrong, and second, because I would be disgusted in myself with having a dead cow corpse squeezing through my digestive system. For me to live, no one has to die, and I think it's fair.
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Because plants aren't alive, are they. It's not like they grow, breathe, evolve or reproduce, like we do.
Oh I see, the ancient argument trying to make vegetarians hypocrites, well let me tell you something: it doesn't matter what's alive and what's not (bacteria are also alive, "alive" only means an organic organism capable of reproducing), it is a matter what's got a nervous system, concience, feelings, and capability to suffer. Plants are of course organisms, but they aren't an entity, in other words they have no minds, nervous systems etc. A plant is just a mechanism of cooperating cells, not in any way controlled by the plant itself willingly, which doesn't have a mind anyway.
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Nature is a dirty place about stuff like that. We are omnivores, we ought to eat what omnivores eat.
Oh really? Is there a legislation stating so? I'm a herbivore and no one has to die for my survival.
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Treat sadistic psychos how they deserve it but realize you're not a better person if you don't eat meat.
Humankind in general is a sadistic psycho, and by not eating meat, I'm not trying to do anything for me, but rather for animals, though in practice I'm only one person, if there was only milliards more vegetarians...
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I do not support any animal abusers to any greater extent that I am aware of, seeing as 99% of the meat I eat comes from moose killed and slaughtered locally.
Slaughtering a moose isn't abuse? Oh of course, I forgot...
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If my family is poor and I have to try and make as much profit as possible, and the only available work is at a questionable slaughterhouse, I believe I would perhaps try to endure the hardship of hurting animals.
I wouldn't.
@blizzardboy
I agree with everything you wrote on the subject. And women still ARE 2nd class citizens in certain parts of the world, look at all the stupid Islamic countries.
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ohforfsake
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posted March 05, 2011 01:22 PM |
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Do I think killing is wrong? Yes.
Do I think that eating something dead is wrong? No.
The excuse, or reason, for the killing doesn't matter. When something is dead, it doesn't matter what you do with it.
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it doesn't matter what's alive and what's not [...], it is a matter what's got a nervous system, concience, feelings, and capability to suffer.
I may lack one, maybe two of those traits you describe. Is it okay to kill me then?
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Mytical
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posted March 05, 2011 01:29 PM |
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Edited by Mytical at 13:33, 05 Mar 2011.
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First, you assume because they are different (plants that is) and we can not 'understand them' that they have no intelligence. Which we all know what we get when we assume right? Because they have no voice, we should just not care either way I guess.
I know people are going to deny it, or whatever, but life feeds on death. It is not pretty, it is not nice, but it is a fact of life. Some things die so others can live. Its sad but true. No eating meat is not bad, or not any worse then eating fruits/vegetables or such is. The treatment of the animals is, I'll grant you that, but I speak from experience when I say that not all farms are like that. As..I used to live on a farm.
The animals had plenty of room, were well cared for, some even considered pets. Of course, we only kept certain animals and for very specific reasons, but yes .. we ate meat also. The chickens were kept for eggs, the cows for milk (or breeding) and only when it was at the end of their life cycle would they be sent to market or end up on our table. Some never did (they were buried instead when they died of natural causes). Heck some of them ate better then we did  .
While most farms are not that way, they are not the other extreme either.
Its like hunting. I have no problem against it, as long as people don't call it a 'sport'. Nothing 'sporting' about being hundreds of yards away with a gun. A knife fight against a grizzly? Now THAT is a sport. Don't see many hunters doing that though  . Of course I was taught to only hunt when hungry, and to use all of the animal possible. To give thanks to it's spirit, and to make it as quick and as painless as possible. Yay for American Indian heritage.
Also, a person could argue that if we all believed in Jesus and Christ, and followed the 'love thy neighbors' parts of the bible exclusively we'd be a much better species. *shrugs* Wouldn't it be fantastic if everybody thought the same, acted the same, and loved everybody? (This in response to your 'everybody should be vegetarian rhetoric)
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SkrentyzMienty
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posted March 05, 2011 01:37 PM |
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Do I think killing is wrong? Yes.
Do I think that eating something dead is wrong? No.
The excuse, or reason, for the killing doesn't matter. When something is dead, it doesn't matter what you do with it.
Sorry but are you unintelligent or trying your hardest to come up with something against my argument?
But the REASON FOR KILLING IS TO EAT IT AFTERWARDS...
It's not like slaughterhouses are ran y psychos who kill for pleasure, and people scavenge the meat from them to supply supermarkets so YOU can purchase it and "do whatever you wanna do with it".
@Mytical:
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Its sad but true. No eating meat is not bad, or not any worse then eating fruits/vegetables or such is.
Ohh...yes it is. And if you think picking a strawberry fruit of the plant is just as bad as killing animals (humans included) well then "god help you" 
And additionally, I agree with what you said about life feeding off death, it's true, but my life feeds off the death of plants which do not have brains or emotions/minds and yours feeds off cows, chickens, dogs, and pigs, which are no different from humans.
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posted March 05, 2011 01:44 PM |
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What is intelligence?
Anyway. As I said. The reason doesn't matter. It's like with child porn and human trafficking. It doesn't make any difference for the victim if there's an audience.
If everyone, from this day and forward, decided they were not gonna eat meat, it wouldn't change a thing. You know why? Because animals are still regarded the same.
If you doubt it, then ask yourself what would be done with the tonnes and tonnes of animals that now are of no use to the farmers.
Do you think they'll be realised out in nature? No that would be cruel and inhuman. Why? Because they're not at all adapted to live in nature!
There are also way to many for the zoo's to take care of! So in the end, they'd all be slaugthered.
This is again, because of the way we regard other living things that are not humans, not because of what we do with dead stuff.
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veco
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posted March 05, 2011 01:59 PM |
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Skrenty!
You can't be satisfied just by convincing humans to stop eating meat! You have to spread the word of wisdom to cats, dogs, spiders and zooplankton otherwise the endless cycle of suffering will never end!
What say you?
They won't listen?
WELL THEN, LET'S JUST KILL THOSE snowS!
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Fauch
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posted March 05, 2011 02:03 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 14:05, 05 Mar 2011.
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It's not like slaughterhouses are ran y psychos who kill for pleasure, and people scavenge the meat from them to supply supermarkets so YOU can purchase it and "do whatever you wanna do with it".
yeah, indeed, I suppose most of them would rather do another job.
btw, some shamans claims that they can communicate with plants. well, maybe they are just so high that they believe it, but still, it is said they have a damn good knowledge of them.
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