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infinitus
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posted March 29, 2011 12:46 PM |
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Caesars Finals to be or not to be ?
First of all congratulation to Buxyrs the 7th emperor. How it was Buxyrs, the road to emperor ? Thanks to Firedragon for idea of this topic. Now to subject ... Now we are 7 emperors, i think time to start talking about Caesar finals ... Vesuvius is great leader, i seen him in action in Heroes Kingdoms, very impressive ... But he don't have time to babysit us ... Also last Caesar show up current rules for Caesar tournament are not enough. Last Caesar was abused in all the way possible. We need protection from that ... Participate in Caesar like last one mean new drama, lots of nerves, loose of image etc ... We mast learn from past experience. We are wise people, right ?
First priority i see here is agreement between emperors to respect some additional rules in Caesar tournament. So let's discuss this. This tread is for current emperors, but any outside ideas are welcome ...
Here is some of ideas to start discussion.
- Map pool for Caesar tournament, not all maps are good for serious tournament. I trust RMG2m, HG, Genesis ...
- Maximum number of dc per game rule. How many dc we can tolerate before game stop, and dc maker loose game. No dc, 1 dc, 10 dc, 100 dc ?
- Map negotiation process for play. I prefer each player choose his home ground for play from map pool. One game me, one game you.
- Hero, faction choice rule. I like hero, faction choose. One time me, one time you.
- How long can take game between players ? How long can be pause between play sessions before one player or both are disqualified ?
-How long one turn can be ? 10 minutes, 1 hour, 1 day ? We definitely need to set up time limit per turn. I say 30 min are ok for that ...
- Cheating problem, are problems here or all ok ?
I really hope we found compromise and Caesar will be ... Will be a really successful and good show for spectators...
For other side if we not agree, i not participate and wish luck and fun to all...
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Pitlord
Known Hero
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posted March 29, 2011 01:36 PM |
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i would suggest playing on LAN, otherwise the guy who cheats/abuses the most will win
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted March 29, 2011 03:10 PM |
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First of all congratulation to Buxyrs the 7th emperor. How it was Buxyrs, the road to emperor ?
Well Bux made it to emperor thanks to Jinxer! I gave him 9 straight wins, during the most unlucky run of luck I have seen in my TOH career in the 12 years I have been here. At one point I was 14 points from making Emperor then the crazy backslide!
So if you guys need an 8th player for Ceasar, I would throw my hat in ring. I am still trying to climb back to the top.. I have 2 wins now back to back vs. Buxyrs so maybe my bad luck streak is over and I can go on a 9-0 run to get all my points back 
Besides I think I am only other one that is active enough anyways. 
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted March 29, 2011 05:34 PM |
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during the most unlucky run of luck I have seen in my TOH career in the 12 years I have been here.
Again? 
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Jinxer
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posted March 29, 2011 07:02 PM |
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@ Elvin, I quit posted on this board for almost a year because of you... and Ves talked me into posting again, so can you please keep all your comments to your self and respect my wishes to not post about me around me, or in response to anything I say unless you are directly addressed or unless you are actually involved directly with being active in anything to do with the thread involved. I have asked nicely. Thank you.
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Elvin
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posted March 29, 2011 07:12 PM |
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Or you could try to quit being so dramatic for a change. That was not an attack on you, more like saying what's new? You have always complained about being impossibly unlucky, you know?
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted March 29, 2011 08:24 PM |
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Hey, emperors! Only Jinxer want to play in finals or what ? Were are your opinions, propositions to make things better ?
Edit: Today i talk with Vex about Caesar and he have brilliant idea how to make Caesar tournament free of abuses and cheats. I needed half day to understood his idea, but finally i deed No idea why he not post here in person, but here is Vex idea -
Maps for Caesar tournament are edited a bit. On map are added player 3 and cartographer for him. This way after game start player 3 because cartographer he poses will see any action done by player 1 and 2. This mean we can have arbiter for Caesar tournament and he will see all games in real time ! Almost no way to cheat or abuse !
Now imagine we add 8 players with cartographer, so this way we can have real time spectators !
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Jinxer
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posted March 29, 2011 10:48 PM |
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1 Arbitor MAX is good. I like Vex idea.. But if you add more then one, it becomes again a matter of trust.. how many of the other spectators might message one of the players on MSN and give out secrets of what they see other player doing. Also.. imagine there is couple spectators and 1 goes to bathroom to do a #2 and then you end turn.. now all game is on hold while a spectator finishes is business.
So I like Vex idea. But 1 Max and would have to be carefully picked impartial player. NOT me.. cause I am hoping to be voted in, ( incase I dont qualify in time)
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted March 29, 2011 11:13 PM |
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So I like Vex idea. But 1 Max and would have to be carefully picked impartial player.
Sure 1 Max for Caesar. Idea with more spectators was mine and it's for show short games, not for Caesar, not for ranking ...
Example of usage of cartographer arbiter - game start, player 2 enter battle and dc. In normal conditions it's hard to say dc was made by player 1 or player 2 ... But because presence of cartographer arbiter game will not end with dc of player 2. Game will continue cos in game remain player 1 and cartographer arbiter. Game will just say - player 2 dc. This way is 100% clear ho make dc. No more dc abuse in Caesar ...
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FireDragon-008
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 30, 2011 09:38 AM |
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I am ready to fight for title of Caesar. The Lords were to be increased to include the emperor. The Lord of the most active players: jinxer.
So begin the battle Caesar, get here before the H6.
I agree with the 30-minute time limit! see Strider's behavior, the psychological warfare! I started the game and then went to bathe and eat, while waiting for the other player.
I hope we can begin as soon as possible ....
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted March 30, 2011 12:03 PM |
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So begin the battle Caesar, get here before the H6.
I think is very important to start Caesar as soon as possible, and before H6 launch. Caesar Tournament will look outdated then all normal TOHers will play H6, and emperors will be condemned to stay in H5. May generate activity problems for Caesar Tournament and no interest from spectators ...
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natalka
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2011 10:31 AM |
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Infinitus, ofc you wrote your own rules and I strongly disagree with two of them
1)choosing hero - I extremely vote against it, no need to comment.
2)choosing map - I think it is better to make a map pool with 10 maps and each time a map is chosen randomly from it.
3)time limit - as Towerlord wrote in previous Caesar thread - Caesars is about quality not about playing fast. 30 mins with inferno on HG I think it is not enough for some turns even if you have the plan in your head.
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ohforfsake
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posted March 31, 2011 10:34 AM |
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I support natalka, she makes good sense!
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Elvin
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posted March 31, 2011 11:37 AM |
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I agree with the first 2 points but consider over 30 min turns to be ridiculous. I know that some factions play slower but this is not rocket science and the Caesars must finish sometime in the foreseeable future.
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natalka
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posted March 31, 2011 11:42 AM |
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Sometimes you need to think for a bit not only act! Imagine you lose something and need to rethink your secondaries to fetch you more army or u will die next turn.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2011 11:44 AM |
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1)choosing hero - I extremely vote against it, no need to comment.
I for hero choose on any map, but i can agree as compromise to not choose hero on custom maps. But for RMG, hero choose is vital, sorry but no compromise here ...
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2)choosing map - I think it is better to make a map pool with 10 maps and each time a map is chosen randomly from it.
H5 already have too much random factors. Random chosen map mean probability you Natalka will play all 5 games on random generated map. Small chance but still possible ...
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3)time limit - as Towerlord wrote in previous Caesar thread - Caesars is about quality not about playing fast. 30 mins with inferno on HG I think it is not enough for some turns even if you have the plan in your head.
Without time limit Caesar will be heavily abused, like it was in last Caesar in series Strider-Kispagat and Strider-Firedragon.
Fine no time limit, but i appreciate quality too, so to give you this ultimate quality i will use two-five days for finish one turn. I speaking serious here. If no time limit i will use two days to finish one turn.
And we have one more problem that need to be clarified. I know many emperors will boycott Natalka in Ceasar, at least they say this in MSN. This is not my initiative but i also not sure i will play vs you Natalka ... Do you solved your comp problems ?
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted March 31, 2011 11:54 AM |
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Random chosen map mean probability you Natalka will play all 5 games on random generated map. Small chance but still possible ...
We could easily go around that with a rule that same map cannot be played twice. I remember that it took almost a year for fire and strider to settle on one Otherwise allow compromise within a time limit, say 1-2 days after which time an arbiter chooses the map randomly.
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natalka
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posted March 31, 2011 12:06 PM |
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Wow, boycott me. Some of you still haven`t grown up, have you. All this talk behind the scene... Come out and speak up as real men. It is shame that I am the only girl in the finals but nearly everybody else behaves like a girl about Heroes V.
Infinitus , maybe it is time to write something good about me - for example that we had 0 dc last game - not only starting fires here and there with some recently locked threads. Also fire can confirm that we started a game on MM and so far nobody has disconnected.
Looking forward to petition from you , Infinitus...maybe new thread with a poll 
Natalka participate in Caesars - be or not to be
Come on ,don`t be shy
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted March 31, 2011 12:28 PM |
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I remember that it took almost a year for fire and strider to settle on one
This show how important for players are to play on maps they like ...
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Otherwise allow compromise within a time limit, say 1-2 days after which time an arbiter chooses the map randomly.
This is possible solution. But is violent and evil cos show disrespect towards emperors players. One little example: Moldova. Election. 50% of population want to join European Union, another 50% population want join Russia ... In this conditions President of Moldova come and say, well people can't decide were to go himself, i will decide myself. We join China ! ...
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Infinitus , maybe it is time to write something good about me - for example that we had 0 dc last game - not only starting fires here and there with some recently locked threads.
Yes, no dc. But still incredible long turns, and you played Havez, not inferno.
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Also fire can confirm that we started a game on MM and so far nobody has disconnected.
I glad you two started to play again one vs other, i hope will be nice series. Maybe some nice replays, descriptions. That may make people believe you are honorable player and solve this blockage ...
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Looking forward to petition from you , Infinitus...maybe new thread with a poll
Natalka participate in Caesars - be or not to be
No need for poll, if at least one emperor will refuse to play you in Caesar, this already is big problem. Better to solve this here and now, not after Caesar start ...
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted March 31, 2011 12:33 PM |
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Otherwise allow compromise within a time limit, say 1-2 days after which time an arbiter chooses the map randomly.
This is possible solution. But is violent and evil cos show disrespect towards emperors players. One little example: Moldova. Election. 50% of population want to join European Union, another 50% population want join Russia ... In this conditions President of Moldova come and say, well people can't decide were to go himself, i will decide myself. We join China ! ...
Exactly!
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