|
| Thread: Islamic terrorists in the US military |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 · NEXT» |
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
posted July 28, 2011 05:00 PM |
|
|
Islamic terrorists in the US military
In Nov 2009 a Muslim who was an army officer murdered 13 people and woulded 30 others in Fort Hood, Texas.
Another plot to attack Fort Hood by Muslim US soldiers has been uncovered and prevented.
You may recall FBI reports that at least 10% of the US mosques preach jihad.
Clicky
Quote:
At least one U.S. military serviceman has been arrested after raising concerns over another possible attack on Fort Hood, Fox News has learned exclusively.
Pvt. Nasser Jason Abdo, an AWOL soldier from Fort Campbell, Kentucky, was arrested by the Killeen Police Department near Fort Hood and remains in custody there. Authorities, however, will not say if Abdo is the one who raised security concerns.
Abdo was allegedly found with explosives and jihadist materials at the time of his arrest, a senior Army source confirms to Fox News. He was arrested at around 2 p.m. Wednesday after someone called authorities to report a suspicious individual.
Bob Jenkins, a Fort Campbell spokesman, told Fox News that Abdo was also being investigated for child pornography found on his government computer.
Abdo went AWOL on July 4. On the eve of his first deployment to Afghanistan -- after only one year in the Army -- Abdo applied for conscientious objector status. It was denied by his superiors at Ft. Campbell but later overturned by the Assistant Deputy Secretary of the Army review board.
Another source told Fox News that two other U.S. soldiers also raised possible concerns. Authorities have recovered weapons and possibly explosive materials, Fox News was told.
It remains unclear if any possible plot to attack Ft. Hood was merely aspirational in nature.
On Nov. 5, 2009, Major Nidal Hasan, an American Army officer, carried out a shooting attack on the Fort Hood base in Texas that killed 13 people and wounded 30 others.
Hasan, a military psychiatrist, was arraigned on July 20 and is currently standing trial. His civilian lawyer withdrew from the case as it began.
____________
Revelation
|
|
Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
|
|
posted July 28, 2011 05:04 PM |
|
|
Hey, why not simply kick all muslims from the US military?
It's not like your manpower is dwindling...Oh wait!
____________
|
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
|
posted July 28, 2011 05:16 PM |
|
Edited by Elodin at 17:16, 28 Jul 2011.
|
In related news, Republicans have been holding hearings on American Muslim radicalization. Many dems have been condemning the hearings.
Clicky
Quote:
A new report released by Republicans on the House Homeland Security Committee shows there's still a threat of Americans being recruited by Somali terror group and Al Qaeda ally Al Shabaab for the purpose of carrying out attacks in the U.S.
Committee chairman Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. held a hearing Wednesday on Al Shabaab recruiting in America. It was the third in a series of controversial "Muslim radicalization" hearings King has called.
"The key finding is that there is a looming danger of American Shabaab fighters returning to the U.S. to strike or helping Al Qaeda and its affiliates attack the homeland," the report reads. "U.S. intelligence underestimated the Pakistani Taliban and Al Qaeda in Yemen's capability of launching attacks here; we cannot afford to make the same mistake with Shabaab."
The report says at least 40 Americans have joined the terror group and 15 have been killed fighting for them. It also says 21 American Shabaab members are unaccounted for and that they pose a threat to U.S. security.
Many Democrats have bemoaned King's series of radicalization hearings, and while the ranking member of the committee Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., says Shabaab is an issue, he downplays its importance and says other types of terror should be focused on as well.
"The threat of Al Shabaab radicalizing young Americans is a problem we can constructively address," Thompson said in a statement before the hearing. "Today marks the third time that this committee has taken up alleged links between terrorism and the American Muslim community. Before these hearings began, I requested that their focus be broadened to include a look at the real and present threat of domestic violent extremism. Those requests were rebuffed."
Al Shabaab recruitment first came to the attention of Congress more than two years ago when the Senate Homeland Security Committee held hearings on the large number of Somali-Americans being recruited back to Africa for terror training.
Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/07/27/report-shows-terror-recruitment-us-still-problem#ixzz1TPgUU8FI
____________
Revelation
|
|
Seraphim
Supreme Hero
Knowledge Reaper
|
|
posted July 28, 2011 06:54 PM |
|
Edited by Seraphim at 18:57, 28 Jul 2011.
|
Let me guess,this is the way how they want to explain friendly fire,eh?
|
|
Shyranis
Promising
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted July 28, 2011 07:53 PM |
|
Edited by Shyranis at 19:57, 28 Jul 2011.
|
The Military faces the same problem any company or organization does. You recruit out of the population, you're going to get psychopaths. The Military is also infiltrated by rapists and people that like to kill anybody they can on foreign soil. The majority of soldiers are good honest people though, too bad such a lot have to be thrown in and sometimes even protected by the government they cast a bad light on.
It's inevitable that you're going to get terrorists in the Military at some point.
Remember: Even if the military only allowed Christians, Jews and Athiests, it's not hard for somebody to pretend to be one. You'd be discriminating against 99.5% of the Muslim population in the process as well. Which is also something that shouldn't happen as a precedent otherwise it will encourage similar treatments for others. Islam itself is a religion, and there are definitely more than a handful of Muslims of European ancestry that look every bit as Germanic, Nordic or Slavic as any other person descended from Europeans.
____________
Youtube has terminated my account without reason.
Please express why it should be reinstated on
Twitter.
|
|
JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
|
|
posted July 28, 2011 08:17 PM |
|
|
Military actually gathers a lot more freaks due to the nature of the job. Even the regular people easily turn into freaks when they break due to the stress. Your average joe can't take killing another human with a clean concience. That's why there's so big fallout with war stress in infantry. That's also why denying the humanity of your enemies used to and still is rather common.
That said, most "super soldiers" are psychopaths. Generally psychopaths aren't wanted since they don't fit into teams well but they are a lot more effective than regular people on the field if there's a situation the kill doesn't come from reflex.
____________
DON'T BE A NOOB, JOIN A.D.V.E.N.T.U.R.E.
|
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
|
posted July 28, 2011 11:36 PM |
|
|
I would not describe a jihadist as a psychopath. They are people committed to an ideology that they believe in so much that they are willing to kill innocent people for but they are not mentally deranged.
I did not suggest Muslims be barred from the military but I do think that Muslims in a unit can adversely affect unit cohesion. There have been a number of Muslim soldiers who have committed jihadist acts or been complicit with the acts. That causes a trust issue between the non-Muslim soldiers and Muslim soldiers who are loyal to the US and who would never become a jihadist.
I don't know that there is an easy solution to the problem that represents.
I disagree that the US military attracts freaks or that most "super soldiers" are psychopaths.
____________
Revelation
|
|
Seraphim
Supreme Hero
Knowledge Reaper
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 02:01 AM |
|
|
Pure propaganda.Really,if the US military has problems with muslim soldiers,they have their court and methods to determine if somebody is of dangerous ambitions.
Obviously,there is a difference between a jihadist and your average muslim.
Also,why would a jihadist enter the US military?
Its like "hey lets join the enemy".
You know,this fears come in the same fashion when they allowed Gays to enter the military with the full knowledge of the military.
If the US is so fearful,why not ban muslims from entering US military?
They could employ a "dont ask,dont tell" type of attitude.
|
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 02:39 AM |
|
|
Quote:
Also,why would a jihadist enter the US military?
Its like "hey lets join the enemy".
To have easy access to military bases and weapons and an easy ability to determine base layout. And the ability to easily attack military members who are off guard and walking around or sitting around unarmed.
Like the Muslim army officer at Fort Hood who walked in a room filled with unarmed service members with loaded weapons and started mowing the down.
Such attacks are very demoralizing. We've seen similar attacks on our forces in Iraq where jihadists would be paroling with American troops while part of the police force and open fire on American soldiers when they are off guard.
____________
Revelation
|
|
gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 04:57 AM |
|
|
Why all this focus on fort Hood? I can and do highly doubt that there is anything that the terrorist organizations don't know about it, so why all the attention drawn there? If a military officer in high command saw this pattern, they would either:
1) Secure the place more.
2) Move whatever is so important there to somewhere else in secret.
3) Become more alert to the other bases, as Hood could easily be just a distraction.
or 4) become weary about random accusations popping up due to the military becoming paranoid about infiltration. Muslims will probably be subjected to a greater number of false trial in the future.
Unfortunate thing is, we have no idea if they think this, or care. If the are following any of these four simple plans or if they are following one, two or zero. The only thing we can be certain about is that they know problems with select americans and select muslim americans will occur in the near future. Paranoia spreads like wildfire, and the media does nothing but help the terrorist cells fan the flames with their pessimistic, sometimes false, and generally dark viewpoints about the happenings of the world. After all, that's what sells. 
____________
Yeah in the 18th century, two inventions suggested a method of measurement. One won and the other stayed in America.
-Ghost destroying Fred
|
|
Seraphim
Supreme Hero
Knowledge Reaper
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 05:31 AM |
|
|
Quote:
To have easy access to military bases and weapons and an easy ability to determine base layout. And the ability to easily attack military members who are off guard and walking around or sitting around unarmed.
Like the Muslim army officer at Fort Hood who walked in a room filled with unarmed service members with loaded weapons and started mowing the down.
Such attacks are very demoralizing. We've seen similar attacks on our forces in Iraq where jihadists would be paroling with American troops while part of the police force and open fire on American soldiers when they are off guard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting#Possible_motivation
Yes, and read only the cited ones.
Apparently,there were signs he was going berserk and he was not linked to the so called "terror" organizations.
He acted on his own. Again I ask you Elodin,why would somebody,that is predetermined to be abused by other mates,enter the US military?
Obviously,the guy who caused the incident did not initially intend to kill US soldiers for Jihad. That is why he never feared abuse.I might be wrong though as we are talking here about the military. Nothing reliable to read about it.
What type of spying could he be able to undergo when he would be the prime suspect or being constantly observed by others?
I fail to see what "Devious" plot is behind this except the trigger friendliness of a lunatic individual that belives that by killing some unprepared soldiers he did a favor to his "World"?Maybe it did statisfy his anger,only to ruin his life. He did it because those "Godless" mates made fun of him and that they sent him to afghanistan to kill muslims,to which he fell somehow connected through.As somehow all "Religious"(Religion is a broad term) people do to eachother,or so I think.
Also,guys shooting US soldiers happend in Afganistan,but that is an entirely different issue.I once heard an interview asking an Afghan soldier why he entered the military.He answered with "To protect my family".I dont really care if t is true or not,but Nato forces are controlling nothing in reality there,its all taliban.
As for the recent case,we are talking here about some US soldiers "Raising claims".How trustworthy is a US soldier?I doubt they are trustworthy. Some professionals should take the lead here,not some claims.
|
|
shyranis
Promising
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 10:47 AM |
|
Edited by shyranis at 17:44, 29 Jul 2011.
|
Quote:
We've seen similar attacks on our forces in Iraq where jihadists would be paroling with American troops while part of the police force and open fire on American soldiers when they are off guard.
I fear that many of those may not be so much as them having links to terrorist organizations as people are quick to jump to conclusions to and a bit more to do with the up to one million dead civilians in the country. It's not hard to go crazy in a war torn country. Especially one where every single person lost loved ones due to the conflict. That's why it's so hard to recruit new police.
Take it from a person whose family came from a war torn country.
Not to mention the fact that so many civilians themselves would have post-traumatic stress disorder from the results.
Edit: Wow.
The latest Ft. Hood suspect guy looks a lot like a young Jake Gyllenhal.
____________
Youtube has terminated my account without reason.
Please express why it should be reinstated on
Twitter.
|
|
Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 11:12 AM |
|
Edited by Corribus at 15:09, 29 Jul 2011.
|
This propaganda-generated moronic paranoia that every Muslim is a terrorist is getting more than tedious. It starts to look dangerous. You obviously want to alienate to the point of open hostility hundreds of millions of people all over the world. I couldn't care less if you were the only ones to take the consequences but your almighty media spreads this ******** everywhere, including where I live and certain morons and figureheads parrot it for their own purposes. Yes - some Muslims are terrorists, yes - some are following this Jihad crap. So what? Instead of rooting them out, you generalize the situation to such an extent that even the neutrals are labeled as "jihadists" and at one point begin to sympathize the real jihadists. Way to go!
MODERATOR NOTE:
From the Code of Conduct:
2) NO bad language, profanity, vulgarity or swearing.
Correctly censored vulgar words may be used, but not for insults, abuse, racism, sexism, provocation or aggravation.
Correct censoring means replacing all letters in the vulgar words with asterisks by holding the SHIFT key and pressing the number 8 key (US keyboards). For example: when **** hit the fan. Any other method of censoring vulgar words partially or entirely will be considered incorrect censoring and may be penalized. Actual or misspelled vulgar words will be penalized immediately.
|
|
Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 03:14 PM |
|
|
Of course not every muslim is terrorist or fundamentalist. But what bothers most people here in France is their lack of initiative and side choosing. For example, every time a muslim is discriminated you see hordes of them invading the streets and crying for injustice.
On the other side when a group of fundamentalist muslims blow a tower, kill christians or simply put a bomb in the name of Islam and Allah, those muslims never think to react similarly, and publicly condemn firmly such acts. Of course, their religious head is politically taking side, but the population is not reacting at all. The day when I will see them all in the street, but this time for mass condemning a terrorist action, I will believe integration has a chance. After all, is their interest to choose on which side they are. Because there are two sides right now, one is about terror, the other is about hope and a commune future.
If Elodin can jump every time a murderer affirms he is christian and put things at their place, why a muslim can't do it?
____________
Era II mods and utilities
|
|
Shyranis
Promising
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 04:28 PM |
|
Edited by Shyranis at 16:49, 29 Jul 2011.
|
I've seen quite a few Muslims condemn terrorism, the only problem is that they are only the non-vocal majority.
Edit:
Looks like the accused had actively condemned the Ft Hood shootings. He also sought a way out of the military as a concientous objector and was granted it, but that was suspended when a computer that he had used at some point had pictures of children on it.
Hm... Forbed trimmed a lot from the AP report.
Quote:
The 21-year-old's writings, including the essay obtained by The Associated Press in which he deplored the 2009 shootings, portray a devout infantry soldier struggling with his faith while facing the prospect of deployment and what he felt was the scorn of his peers.
"Overall, as a Muslim I feel that I will not be able to carry out my military duties due to my conscientious objection," Abdo wrote in his application for the status.
"Therefore, unless I separate myself from the military, I would potentially be putting the soldiers I work with in jeopardy.
"In this instance, I would be failing in my duty to my unit, my army and my god."
Abdo was approved as a conscientious objector this year, but his discharge was put on hold amid military charges that 34 images of child pornography were found on a computer he used. He went absent without leave from Fort Campbell, Ky., during the July 4 weekend.
Interesting, we still have yet to see if he's done anything worse than just dereliction of duty for leaving the base without permission.
____________
Youtube has terminated my account without reason.
Please express why it should be reinstated on
Twitter.
|
|
Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 04:34 PM |
|
|
|
I didn't see any major reaction amongst the Christians about what Breivik did either so should this mean that they support him? As for the part that they jump as one when some of them is discriminated - that's what every legal group in a democratic society should do - don't blame them that they are more organized.
|
|
Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 05:41 PM |
|
|
Unlike 100% of muslim terrorists, Breivik never claimed that his act was motivated by his faith. He never mentioned being christian in his manifest.
____________
Era II mods and utilities
|
|
Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 06:08 PM |
|
|
|
Yeah, he mentioned it outside it and also has spoken with God or whatnot. Does it matter? It all comes from the same brain. And this was about the people from the group to which he claims to belong, not about him personally.
|
|
Elodin
Promising
Legendary Hero
Free Thinker
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 06:58 PM |
|
Edited by Elodin at 19:04, 29 Jul 2011.
|
Breivik stated he has no personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He states that he is not a "religious" Christian (Christianity is not his religion) but is culturally a Christian in that he claims (falsely) to share the cultural and social values of Christianity.
He writes on page 1307 of his online manifesto:
Clicky
Quote:
3.139 Distinguishing between cultural Christendom and religious Christendom –
reforming our suicidal Church
A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative
Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians
and religious Christians?
If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious
Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship
with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social,
identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian.
In that paragraph he seems to actually claim to be either an atheist or agnostic from a religious perspective.
He appeared to want to defend European culture against Islam but murdering children or anyone else is not the way to do that. But this thread is about Islamic terrorists in the military so lets not derail the thread please.
@Seraphim
The Fort Hood shooter had actively expressed his support for terrorist bombers and shouted "Allah Akbar" (Allah is the greatest (god))while carrying out his murders. He was in active contact with Al'Quaeda (which he had sought out) and is linked to US-born Muslim cleric and terrorist recruiter Anwar Al-Awlaki.
The US was aware of Hassan reaching out to contact Al-Quada but did nothing because of political correctness. Political correctness kills.
@Shyranis
This latest Muslim terrorist who wanted to attack Fort Hood has admitted to his plot.
Clicky
Quote:
Abdo, Muslim soldier who had been reported AWOL from Fort Campbell, Kentucky, was arrested Wednesday night after a tip from a Killeen gun dealer led to a police investigation.
At the time of his arrest police found firearms and bomb-making components in his hotel room which Abdo admitted he planned to use in an attack on Fort Hood personnel, authorities confirmed Thursday
|
|
Shyranis
Promising
Supreme Hero
|
|
posted July 29, 2011 07:25 PM |
|
|
That's something that's very rarely explored by the media or casual onlookers Salamandre. In general Religion is only a small part of any terrorist attack.
You do know that whenever a terrorist strikes they almost always give their reasons. Usually mention of God is further down the list than attacks they see on their own people or culture. Yet it's blown out of proportion each time. Various "News" media will constantly focus on the religious aspect but never delve deeper. In the case of the most serious terror attacks by Muslims, they always cite that we're over there killing them for various reasons first. It's always a case of callous and petty revenge against what they see as an oppressor. Sure, Anders may not have been avenging deaths in his own mind, but he was definitely fighting what he saw as an oppressive system. He's just as bad as Osama was. He also wanted to start his own political movement (which, if it acted like him would be a terrorist movement).
The modern "news" organizations just live for the quick and easy way, to take other people's information, summarize to their own perspective and play the blame game.
It's not fair to blame Christianity for Anders, it's not fair to blame Islam for Osama. It's a combination of political and ideological struggle that causes these people to act out in terrible, foolish ways.
Anders for the record makes many references in his Manifesto to how Communists were opposed to Christianity and how Political Correctness goes against Christian moral authority. Just because he identifies himself as Christian, argues that Christian ideals are the opposite of PC and has infected many Churches with its ideas of Political correctness.
He felt vilified and oppressed by his own country, only to do a stupid action to make him actually be vilified rightfully so.
Quote:
Cultural Marxism defines all minorities,
what they see as the victims; Muslims, Feminist women, homosexuals and some
additional minority groups as virtuous and they view ethnic Christian European men as
evil. (Cultural Marxism does not recognise the existence of non-Feminist women, and
defines Muslims, Asians and Africans who reject Political Correctness as evil, just like
native Christian or even atheist Europeans.).
Quote:
Political Correctness now looms over Western European society like a colossus. It has
taken over both political wings, left and right. Among so called Western European
”conservative” parties the actual cultural conservatives are shown the door because being
a cultural conservative opposes the very essence of political correctness. It controls the
most powerful element in our culture, the media and entertainment industry. It
dominates both public and higher education: many a college campus is a small, ivy-
covered North Korea. It has even captured the higher clergy in many Christian churches.
Anyone in the Establishment who departs from its dictates swiftly ceases to be a member
of the Establishment.
Quote:
As a grand scheme intended to deny the intrinsic worth of native Christian European,
heterosexual males, the Critical Theorists of the Frankfurt School opened the door to the
racial and sexual antagonisms of the Trotskyites. Many believed that oppressed Muslims,
non European minorities and others like Feminists and Homosexuals could be the
vanguard of a communist revolution in Europe.
Quote:
While the ideology of political correctness is hardly restricted to our campuses, there is
no doubt it originated there. The intellectual roots of this phenomenon stretch back over
centuries. Ultimately, the origins of PC can be traced to the rise of modern ideology and
its quest for power. In contrast to the classical and Judeo-Christian traditions, which
stressed man’s need to understand the moral order and conform himself to it, modern
ideologies have sought to dominate and control the world. In the twentieth century these
ideologies gained political power in Communist states.
There are some issues with political correctness in the West, do not get me wrong. But they can be addressed and we can fix the system without the violence that... these... idiots... bring to the table. I couldn't think of a better word.
____________
Youtube has terminated my account without reason.
Please express why it should be reinstated on
Twitter.
|
| |
|
|
