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Salamandre
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posted August 09, 2011 05:41 PM |
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before making such law, the first question is about being good or bad. Not cheap or expensive. Once you have the answer, proceed. My self I saw what effect have drugs on youth, and I can not condone such irresponsible law.
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posted August 09, 2011 05:43 PM |
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is there even such a thing as a trustworthy source nowadays? all that matters is how much money they make in the end...
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Salamandre
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posted August 09, 2011 05:50 PM |
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Not to mention that every drug user which harms himself will constantly live on sane people taxes.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 09, 2011 05:51 PM |
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Yes you saw the effect of drugs on the youth, you saw the death counts from od's. You really don't understand, what I'm not offering perfection dammit, people are being sold cheap ****, expensively, filled with all sorts of chemicals, (that is of course unless you find a trust-worthy dealer).
All I was suggesting is to restore faith back into the governemnt from those who do take drugs, by supplying them cheap trustworthy goods, that aren't filled with god-knows-what. Not to mention the profits go to maintaining the country and not to criminals.
It it isn't perfect, but it is a damn-sight better...and besides this is only the first step.
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mvassilev
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posted August 09, 2011 05:53 PM |
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Drugs are used to nullify social sensitivity thus the behavior is potentially dangerous, mostly for others.
Many things are "potentially dangerous" but aren't illegal. If someone commits a crime while high or to get money for drugs, they should be punished. But that's no argument against legalization, as the drugs themselves only hurt the user. It is the user, not drugs, that cause others to be harmed.
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posted August 09, 2011 05:57 PM |
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This thread is supposed to be about discussion of the London Riots. How is this discussion of drug legalization related?
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Salamandre
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posted August 09, 2011 05:59 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 09, 2011 06:00 PM |
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Were discussing the cause and prevention of riots (the London riot being currently th emost note-worthy), the current discussion on drugs is one of the major points.
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posted August 09, 2011 06:01 PM |
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Obviously every rioter is under some heavy drugs and just doesn't know what they are doing.
Or even better, they are held hostage by their dealers and must loot to cover the cost of their drugs?
Wait what...
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posted August 09, 2011 06:02 PM |
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one of the major points.
I see you failed to notice the plural  .
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Darkshadow
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posted August 09, 2011 06:04 PM |
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I STILL don't see how drugs are related to these riots, just that the guy whose death started them was supposedly a drug dealer 
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 09, 2011 06:06 PM |
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No silly the legalisation of drugs is in the prevention department, and possibly the cause (unconfirmed of course).
The legalisation of drugs under heavy watch will restore some minor faith in the government, these people feel oppressed and at the end of their witts I just argued how the legalisation would actually benefit prevention measures.
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Darkshadow
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posted August 09, 2011 06:09 PM |
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So legalizing drugs will prevent looters and general hooligans from appearing?
Nope, still doesn't make ANY sense.
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The legalisation of drugs under heavy watch will restore some minor faith in the government, these people feel oppressed and at the end of their witts I just argued how the legalisation would actually benefit prevention measures.
Faith in the government? really?
These rioters are rioting for the sake of loot and general destruction, not some noble cause.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 09, 2011 06:12 PM |
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The looters were oppertunists and not part of the actual rioting (some might, but large majority were not), once it was over the police grabbed anyone on sight (even pedestrians) and hauled them to jail.
The people were sick and tired of being oppressed by the authorities and the death of one of the major points was the breaking point.
DS your not seriously suggesting that these people started setting police cars alight for the sake of looting???
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posted August 09, 2011 06:13 PM |
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I would not be such affirmative. Drugs are used to nullify social sensitivity thus the behavior is potentially dangerous, mostly for others.
[citation needed]
What study, what drugs, and what affects are actually caused by drugs?
And how pure where they? The usual scarred heroin users are wounded of impurity of the heroin, along with the fact that there is a random amount of pure heroin in what they get. A reason there is so many heroin overdoses is that you get a dealer that gives you lets say 50% pure, and then you get a 60% pure of another dealer, and still use the 50% dose.
And what about Alcohol? Worse than what will be legalized of drugs, and it has severe intoxication after use.
What about narcotic cartels?
What about the black marked that gets its founds because drugs is illegal in the first place?!
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What has to do being poor with constant violence expression? The poor can't talk?
If you live in snow, and have no real way out, add on a poisonous enviroment of snow gangsters robbing and raping everyone, and after some point you are just another broken induvidual ignored by the politicans.
The poor are also very prone to start commiting violence since their situation is snow.
And then got the bloody gangsters on the top of that. The entire bunch should be jailed at the spot, without any court case, if there is reasonable suspicious for them to be gang members.
And when we send them to prison: Do NOT allow them to start up internal crime from there, prison is a place for rehabilitation. Give them a chance at aquirering education, and psychological help.
And the logic behind treating them as victims? Either we kill them to remove their trouble, or we make sure they become proper citizens so that there will be no trouble.
Just like removing welfare would inflate the crime statistics if it is not possible to aquire jobs for everybody.
And there is something related to the topic that I am thinking about: Why did Marghrete Thatcher get elected back in the day?
She more or less did only bring a large radical rightwing shift to the country, and brough along a lot of misery.
And since the poor tend to be in a majority along with the middleclass: Why did they vote for her?
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posted August 09, 2011 06:13 PM |
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Edited by bixie at 18:22, 09 Aug 2011.
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since obviously this thread has moved onto other things, I'll give you an update from my end.
Riots are still going on in London, with copy cat riots breaking out in Birmingham, Bristol and Liverpool. From what I can gather, the Areas that are rioting are trouble spots, though this is only due to my contacts in Bristol and Haringey, as well as a quick walk down to Bromley half an hour ago. As for what's happening in Brummieland and the kingdom of Scouse, I can't say.
It is not a pretty sight in London, by any stretch of the imagination. The rioters have attacked local businesses and corner shops, Looted whatever they wanted and torched the rest. Most of these shops provide income for families, and are often the sole source of income. Families left on the rocks completely.
Probably the most worrying, for me at any rate, is the vindictive nature of these. If this was a political riot, then the police station would be trashed, or the town centre, but the two have been left untouched. the Apathetic destruction is what scares me, that the anger is being levelled at their community and that there seems to be no way of quelling it beyond waiting it out.
for further information.
Edit: Forgot Nottingham.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 09, 2011 06:18 PM |
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no way of quelling it beyond waiting it out.
You've got to be joking...
If bixie is right then I guess the 'peaceful' protest was the only noble thing going on, after that...all hell broke loose it would seem, but the fact that the police station was unharmed still buggs me a great deal, even if they had nothing against the police it would be a sound strategy to burn it to increase the time you have to loot...
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bixie
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posted August 09, 2011 06:22 PM |
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correction: there is a short term solution, but as for long term dealing with the issues, that will take some time.
this may help, However, more people may join the rioters.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 09, 2011 06:25 PM |
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16000 officers deployed? How many rioters are there??!??!
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and a 16-year-old was being questioned in Glasgow on suspicion of inciting violence through internet social networking sites.
ROFL"! The VW has been filled with nothing but the inciting of violence which could easily be taken out of context I don't know about you guys, but my chances are slim if I'm accused of trying to incite a Jihad  . (Has a different modern-day meaning you see)
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Clay_Man
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posted August 09, 2011 07:20 PM |
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Edited by Clay_Man at 19:21, 09 Aug 2011.
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[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14459516]'No evidence' that Duggan shot at police[/url]
If this happens to be true, that's quite shocking.
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