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JollyJoker
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posted August 17, 2011 09:55 AM |
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It looks pretty good.
click me
Back to taste now, are we?
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Cepheus
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posted August 17, 2011 10:10 AM |
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That article was written by some greasy slob who wouldn't know the pointy end of a Behemoth from the other.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 17, 2011 10:22 AM |
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It's about LOOKS - so just click on the town picture and ignore the article.
It looks like H3, and it looks fine. Somewhat different from the rest, a bit ... outworldly and unreal and a bit eerie, so this is exactly the opposite of the usual, since usually it's the known that comes solid, real and trustworthy and the supernatural has that unreal, eerie quality.
I think it's pretty good. The town is "aesthetically pleasing" - in an "alien" way, of course, considering the general background.
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Maurice
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posted August 17, 2011 10:34 AM |
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I would expect something as highly technologically advanced to quickly dominate all the other Towns - even when combined to battle the Forge Town together. Or to see the technological stuff find its way into other Towns as well, based on playing copy-cat. Regardless, the concept was good, the implementation was bad.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 17, 2011 10:41 AM |
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And you would expect that why exactly?
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Zenofex
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posted August 17, 2011 10:52 AM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 11:06, 17 Aug 2011.
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NWC had their chance with Kreegans, but decided to play it safe... or just wanted to have a classic demon town.
Actually the M&M Kreegans aren't blatantly technological when you first see them as well. They throw fireballs, meteor showers, fire spells in general and attack with claws in close combat just like your regular devil from D&D would do, no matter that, later, when you discover their ship, they no longer look like the typical demons. Moreover the Kreegan Inferno is not entirely composed of Kreegans and the seemingly "medieval" architecture comes more or less natural.
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The hundred or so who sent death-threats I believe. Of course, when things are bad enough that those get thrown around you can bet a hell of a lot more people who don't like it, but are too placid to speak up.
I recall that there was ONE death threat and about a hundred serious complaints. Betting is gamble, not my cup of tea, I prefer solid evidences.
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Forgive my ignorance, but weren't the Kreegans meant to be techo-aliens?
They are.
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Yes, there are successes, but they mostly start out with the sci-fi elements, rather than trying to add them in half-way through.
As far as I know the first five Wizardry games (never played them) are pure fantasy and if there is something sci-fi about them, it isn't much. The sci-fi emerges with the 6th game and stays until the end (Wizardry 8). I've played some of them, pretty addictive if you neglect their age. Other people has as well, apparently - Wizardry 8 comes out in 2001, 11 years after the first "sci-fi Wizardry" and 4 after the second.
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Common sense at least would suggest to give them some running theme, something easily noticeable like "cyber implants" grafted to their heads.
You mean you know for sure that there are no such things?
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Avirosb
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posted August 17, 2011 11:10 AM |
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It looks pretty good.
Back to taste now, are we?
Sorry, I got distracted by transexual Duke Nukem and the rest of the WoG rejects before I even noticed that irritating tesla coil thingie.
It's always been about taste.
That's the only thing that matters to me. ME.
I couldn't care less about what other people like, that's not my problem.
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MattII
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posted August 17, 2011 11:12 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 08:18, 18 Aug 2011.
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As far as I know the first five Wizardry games (never played them) are pure fantasy and if there is something sci-fi about them, it isn't much. The sci-fi emerges with the 6th game and stays until the end (Wizardry 8).
But the point with the Wizardry series is that each game is a stand-alone title, whereas Armageddon's Blade is an expansion pack, which is what I was getting at with the 'half-way through' comment. Forge might have been better received if the Kreegans in H3 had been a bit closer to the Kreegans in MM6, the tall, gangly, redones that looked like they were wearing cobra-hood hats (the only picture of Kreegans google gave me).
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Maurice
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posted August 17, 2011 12:03 PM |
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And you would expect that why exactly?
Because in my opinion, the damage potential of a Chainsaw or a Laser Gun is much higher than that of a Sword or a (Cross)Bow. If it weren't, there's no reason to go the extra length for something that's far more sophisticated than what you already have. Also, in my opinion, a Tank is virtually invulnerable to Sword slashes and Arrow impacts.
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Avirosb
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posted August 17, 2011 12:27 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 12:27, 17 Aug 2011.
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Not this type of tank.
The naga tank was very ... exposed, so to speak.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 17, 2011 12:39 PM |
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Only when things are working the way we are used to - which is quite obviously not the case. Since there is magic, that "plane" has, so it would appear, different laws of nature, and that might easily mean, that those weapons - coming from a different plane - might not be as effective. The Lasers might not focus the light too well, r example, the armor alloy mght be brittle...
Also, special ammunition and fuel is needed for the weapons and jet packs, and those might not work that well either. That "plane" is, after all, a MAGIC domain.
Also, if you ever watched the opening movie of H3 vanilla, it would seem that those Dragons would easily kill tanks.
For he spreading of technology, I think it's far more likely that after such a battle people would simply burn those abominations - if a people of the middle ages would have been attacked by something like that, they simply would take them for deamons and burn them and their unclean weapons, and if it were the Huns and they WOULD use them - once the ammo was used up, they would throw them away.
So this is a typical example - for me at least - of a logical short circuit. Everyone accepts the presence of magic and has no problems with the immense power that comes with it (an with magical beings like Dragons), completely negating all known natures of law - but of course technology must work exactly the way we know it - even though why there would be magic then, is pretty unclear, and you would have to assume that technology should in fact work completely different.
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Maurice
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posted August 18, 2011 01:17 PM |
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Only when things are working the way we are used to - which is quite obviously not the case.
Then, in my opinion, it should look different. Not a laser gun, but some sort of shaped (wooden?) box from which light is beaming. Something like that, but don't make it look too much like sci-fi elements.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 18, 2011 02:13 PM |
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posted August 18, 2011 02:47 PM |
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Edited by MrDragon at 14:48, 18 Aug 2011.
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Coming from a guy who started with HoMM, before any of it's sequels:
I just kinda love the entire franchise (with the exception of IV).
So far phase 2 Beta is proving to be a substantial improvement on phase 1 and I'm enjoying it.
Every game has had it's ups and downs when compared to it's predecessor.
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Corribus
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posted August 18, 2011 04:11 PM |
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It's about LOOKS - so just click on the town picture and ignore the article.
It looks like H3, and it looks fine. Somewhat different from the rest, a bit ... outworldly and unreal and a bit eerie, so this is exactly the opposite of the usual, since usually it's the known that comes solid, real and trustworthy and the supernatural has that unreal, eerie quality.
I think it's pretty good. The town is "aesthetically pleasing" - in an "alien" way, of course, considering the general background.
Frankly, I think it looks retarded.
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Maurice
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posted August 18, 2011 04:47 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 16:49, 18 Aug 2011.
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Huh?
What I mean is that I can't phathom one section of the world using items that require high-tech facilities to produce (laser guns), with a town that looks high tech (the Forge Town), while the rest of the world is basically drawn in Tolkien-esque fantasy settings.
What if Frodo was to enter Mount Doom and find a Droid factory inside, like the ones on Geonosis in Star Wars? With those droids enhancing the ranks of the Orcs in Sauron's army, carrying laser rifles? Because that's basically what we're seeing with the Forge Town implementation.
Once again, the concept is good, the implementation and designs are not. My opinion. The fact that you have to come up with all sorts of excuses to make it fit already severly weakens the implementation as well, in my opinion.
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markkur
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posted August 18, 2011 04:55 PM |
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I think it looks great but it's too...futuristic.
There are two buildings (in the back)that <imo> could be in the world of HoMM. I assume they are the blacksmith and mage-guild. They have a sort of morphed-look and don't look to be much of a stretch compared against other H3 towns but the others? They look like cutting-edge skyscrapers in our present-day and something far-better fitting in sci-fi based games etc.
Considering the OP, I wonder how much fan-age factors into this long discussion about "what can fit in HoMM"? I think it may not matter much, since I know fans half my age, that are just as strict about old-world-fantasy-images as I am...some, maybe more.
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Salamandre
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posted August 18, 2011 04:57 PM |
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JollyJoker
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posted August 18, 2011 05:17 PM |
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The fact that you have to come up with all sorts of excuses to make it fit...
Huh? Again.
Fit or not fit is NOT the point, because those worlds are not closed. There are portals all or the place, and through that portals anything might come rom any time and any place.
Which means, that naturally anything can invade, and if it invades it may look and feel quite different.
(However, these diferent things may work differently on at plane where, after al magic works, which is not the case in our world. So you may assume, without oerstretching imagination, that technology doesn't work that good in a magical environment after all, for all know, magic doesn't work at all in a technological one.)
In bracketsexplanation for why you can have all kinds of technology stuff that will not be overpowered).
So that means simply: IT DOES NOT HAVE TO "FIT"!
It can be completely alien, because alien things may come through those portals at any time.
Now, obiously some people do not like it when alien things invade - but the reasons they come up with are FOR ME just excuses; in fact their only point is, I don't like it, and that's fine, but who cares what any individual, me, you, likes or not? There will always be people who don't like something, Treants, sparsely clad Dungeon dominas, unit naming , Gargoyles... so what?
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Maurice
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posted August 18, 2011 06:52 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 18:53, 18 Aug 2011.
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You repeat yourself again  . You're assuming that technology is affected and acts differently and such. In other words, I - as the player - have to assume things about alien concepts and technologies, that not only deviate from the game world as we have known it, but also from those same items and technologies in our real world - items and technologies that are clearly shaped accordingly, so I can understand them, but then again it's supposedly different because it would be overpowered otherwise? It kills suspense, it kills believability in the world as a whole. It just doesn't blend in, period.
I repeat my question: would you still consider LOTR a good story, if Sauron's armies had incorporated Orcs carrying laser guns and Chainsaw Zombies? I seriously think that if he had done that, we would never have heard of the name Tolkien.
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