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Hobbit
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posted September 22, 2013 11:24 PM |
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It seems to me like a chain of certain misunderstadings due to language/mind specifics. Nobody accuses anybody of anything. For sure, members of HotA crew do not.
The whole argue started when Vade Parvis - as I understand - was angry because he thought criticizing droids on AC was some kind of "planned action" which "VCMI Forge Team" has arranged. That is not true at all, though I think it was just a misunderstanding.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2013 11:44 PM |
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nik312 said:
So, obviously, we don't really like comparisons with mods, which don't use that approach. Just because it is stupid to compare at all. HotA has just different goal from other existing mods atm.
Seems like not all HOTA members understand this. On HOTA side there is a lot of people working on mod.
And on other side there are new towns by enthusiasts. They simply have no crew, no time and no skills to make mods perfect from scratch.
I hope I explained this idea to Hobbit, but I couldn't explain this to HOTA opponents.
These towns are also a miracle, that they have even emerged in any kind. And for true HMM3 fans any expansion is great.
I know there are some maximalists and HOTA members saying "i'll play Cove, all other towns are crap". This is not respectful approach.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted September 22, 2013 11:53 PM |
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And on other side there are new towns by enthusiasts. They simply have no crew, no time and no skills to make mods perfect from scratch.
I hope I explained this idea to Hobbit
Yeah, you explained this idea, but I don't get it anyway. Quality of any kind of work stands for itself, saying that you are less talented isn't any kind of excuse.
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And for true HMM3 fans any expansion is great.
If that was true, then HotA wouldn't be so popular. 
You see, on Acid Cave e.g. the most often downloaded files are WoG-related (pure WoG, Script Updates and PL translation). On the second place - HotA 1.2. Third is New Upgrades (on WoG), fourth - Grove Town on ERA.
Quality (and, of course, how much does such mod add to the game) matters a lot for most of players.
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I know there are some maximalists and HOTA members saying "i'll play Cove, all other towns are crap".
Why would HotA Crew member say that he'll play town he made? It's too absurd for me to be real.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 22, 2013 11:58 PM |
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Well, if something is crap, there is no reason to respect it, tolerate it is already much. The excuse "no time, we are only fans" is not going to hypnotize people so suddenly they will like. I find realistic that HoTA may find other towns crap, seeing how far they pushed the creativity. Personally I like also the polish Grove (except some mobs animations which are so and so but hey, it was the first).
Also is a pity Bastion wasn't done, as personally I find it even more beautiful than HoTA, at least the dwellings, didn't see much the creatures.
This forum users have enough experience to see when a project is long time prepared, polished, tested then released. They are also perfectly able to see when someone rushes projects just to reach some quota. If a project is sloppy, don't expect praise.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 23, 2013 12:02 AM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 00:08, 23 Sep 2013.
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Salamandre said:
If a project is sloppy, don't expect praise.
Who says about praise? Just don't push it to dirt.
Someone will like it or make something from even bad town.
Hobbit said:
saying that you are less talented isn't any kind of excuse.
Then you again don't understand me at all. So you are not to blame HOTA, If you yourself do the same.
Salamandre said:
Also is a pity Bastion wasn't done, as personally I find it even more beautiful than HoTA, at least the dwellings, didn't see much the creatures.
It is done, but team leader don't want to publish it. Because of the same situation - some people started to criticize project and demand "quality" and "originality", so he psyched and banned publishing.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted September 23, 2013 12:35 AM |
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So you are not to blame HOTA, If you yourself do the same.
I don't blame HotA as you do... I guess you just have no idea what we're talking about and try to mock HotA Crew with me, while this is not what I mean. -_-
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Salamandre
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posted September 23, 2013 12:41 AM |
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Macron1 said:
some people started to criticize project and demand "quality" and "originality", so he psyched and banned publishing.
I have other infos. Corwin started 10th town while Slava was still around, as he thought Slava will help coding. But Slava went away and Corwin had no clue how to erm code a 10th town alone. As work was too good to just replace a regular town, they gave up.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 23, 2013 01:05 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Macron1 said:
some people started to criticize project and demand "quality" and "originality", so he psyched and banned publishing.
I have other infos. Corwin started 10th town while Slava was still around, as he thought Slava will help coding. But Slava went away and Corwin had no clue how to erm code a 10th town alone. As work was too good to just replace a regular town, they gave up.
http://wforum.heroes35.net/showthread.php?tid=550&pid=79263#pid79263
Sources of 10th town for ERA are available, as a programmer (and he also has graphics of town). But seems he got no right to share materials.
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aldroim
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 03, 2013 04:14 PM |
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i'm still new here so can anyone can tell me if this project is still alive because i would like to help with the animations
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revolut1oN
Famous Hero
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posted October 03, 2013 05:12 PM |
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both Forges - hota and vcmi are still alive and kickin'
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aldroim
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 03, 2013 05:31 PM |
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call me noob if you want but what the hell "hota and vcmi" means?
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Storm-Giant
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Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted October 03, 2013 05:39 PM |
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aldroim said:
call me noob if you want but what the hell "hota and vcmi" means?
HotA
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aldroim
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 03, 2013 05:54 PM |
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it seems like a gift from the gods
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Storm-Giant
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posted October 03, 2013 05:57 PM |
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aldroim said:
it seems like a gift from the gods
Well, it all started with the Wake of Gods, after all
HotA Forge is development while VCMI has a funcional one I think, as a MOD. In case you were wondering
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 08:54 PM |
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 09:18 PM |
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Hobbit said:
New version of VCMI Forge. Comment, point out any bugs, have fun.
It's good that you reworked screen. So two different Forges can be made from your mod.
Altrough I don't like 7th level unit. Forge is a cybertechnologies, and mechanics.
And this is some biotechnology mutant. It don't fit to line-up. It's more fitting to some kreegan colony faction or mutant faction IMHO
PS So you rejected idea of 6th level unit strengthened to be 7th level?
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 09:23 PM |
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IvanSav
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 04, 2013 11:18 PM |
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I just ran Forge on current version of VCMI and noticed some bugs that you may want to fix:
1) Some old format that may be removed in next version - entries "buildings" and "structures" in town entry.
Here is updated version (archive contains only changed files)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22372764/forgeUpdatedFormat.zip
2) Some files are missing. Full list of what VCMI have detected:
Data/forge/town-screen/buildings-area/TZhfmage.bmp
Data/forge/town-screen/buildings-border/TOhfmage.bmp
Sprites/forge/town-screen/buildings/TBhfboat.def
Data/forge/town-screen/buildings-area/TZhfboat.bmp
Data/forge/town-screen/buildings-border/TOhfboat.bmp
Sprites/forge/town-screen/buildings/TBhfdock.def
Data/forge/town-screen/buildings-area/TZhfdock.bmp
Data/forge/town-screen/buildings-border/TOhfdock.bmp
Sprites/forge/town-screen/buildings/TBhfext6.def
Data/forge/town-screen/buildings-area/TZhfext6.bmp
Data/forge/town-screen/buildings-border/TOhfext6.bmp
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Dairy
Known Hero
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posted November 05, 2013 12:29 PM |
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Yay, another successful mod ! 
Could somebody please share the patch notes ? Or the official notes ?
Or some pictures , please ?
NOTE: I am not lazy, I dont have VCMI (yet) and I just want to see what progress you guys made, how it looks and if it's made likable. By that I mean, Forge is edgy if it comes to Heroes 3. I know it fits the universe/culture of the sci-fi Kreegans, but I know you guys were making really good job.
Congrats and wish you good luck in future !
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revolut1oN
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2013 12:46 PM |
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Forge units - screen from Acidcave.
http://postimg.org/image/z3qn2ptmv/
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