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Hobbit
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posted September 11, 2013 12:59 AM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 01:00, 11 Sep 2013.
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It's possible, but very tricky to make it function properly. That means it needs a lot of work and testing, and personally I have no time for this right now, but I'll think about it in future.
Now, you can only hope for someone else to do this for you.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 11, 2013 08:16 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Is not hard to replace, but right now, with VCMI and macaron compiling 5 new towns daily, I guess no one considers time worth to work on replacing towns anymore.
By the way, I replaced Conflux in VCMI to new town. SO this works.
And maybe sometime one can make VCMI with all standard towns replaced by new
It's about my old idea of Forge Wars (different technical factions replaced original fantasy towns).
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 11, 2013 08:18 PM |
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xeen said:
Forgive my ignorance towards the topic, maybe some of the professionals here can help me out.
Simple Question: Is there any version of the Forge mod that can be run with WoG __without__ VCMI?
Ukrainian Forge replaces Conflux.
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xeen
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posted September 11, 2013 08:33 PM |
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Macron1 said:
xeen said:
Forgive my ignorance towards the topic, maybe some of the professionals here can help me out.
Simple Question: Is there any version of the Forge mod that can be run with WoG __without__ VCMI?
Ukrainian Forge replaces Conflux.
Cool. Do you have a download link?
Salamandre said:
Is not hard to replace, but right now, with VCMI and macaron compiling 5 new towns daily, I guess no one considers time worth to work on replacing towns anymore.
I guess you could do it as in script 67 (replacing Conflux with neutral troops). I don't really care about the town screen right now... Is there a tutorial on how to add creatures?
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 11, 2013 10:53 PM |
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xeen said:
Macron1 said:
Ukrainian Forge replaces Conflux.
Cool. Do you have a download link?
http://forum.df2.ru/index.php?showtopic=27260
Google translator will help you to translate Russian installation instructions to English
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Vade_Parvis
Known Hero
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posted September 17, 2013 12:28 AM |
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Hobbit said:
Strangely enough some members of your team accused us of stealing "cybergriffins" (which aren't cyber btw) from the Factory project, so...
Where did you get this information?  Personally, I was joking that you seem to have been inspired by my idea of simillar griffins (in fact, you most likely have not seen this idea) — but where are charges of theft here?
In any case, when the other team is inspired by our idea of some kind — we are only glad to see it.
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DF2 forum is actually well known of criticizing and joking about Polish modders, so accusing us of "the marathon of derision" is really out of place here.
Just refresh in your memory about what exactly we were laughing.
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People can criticize what they want to criticize.
Yes, ofcourse. And you have enough of what can be criticized in the same manner in which you criticized (or rather ridiculed) our droid. Quote:
If you criticize our griffins (and you do, as I read on DF2), I don't really mind
Well, you wanted to criticism "without cuts". So we respond in the same manner as you are started.
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted September 17, 2013 10:34 AM |
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Where did you get this information? Personally, I was joking that you seem to have been inspired by my idea of simillar griffins (in fact, you most likely have not seen this idea) — but where are charges of theft here?
DF2, not this forum. You were the one to say that "it was just a coincidence" - like you need that explanation. 
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Just refresh in your memory about what exactly we were laughing.
About quality of graphics.
And that's why your anger towards us is ridiculous - you were trying to say that we ridiculed HotA droid (because of concept) as a forum (like if we can make the whole forum to ridicule one concept just to promote ours ), while your forum ridiculed almost EVERY town that we made in one way or another. So basically you're getting upset of something that is pretty much normal.
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Yes, ofcourse. And you have enough of what can be criticized in the same manner in which you criticized (or rather ridiculed) our droid.
Um... No? I never said that one is wrong about griffins and that they can't criticize them. The whole argue started when you stated that the whole forum is against your droid because of VCMI Forge, which is absurd.
Did I really have to explain what you were arguing about?
Say, would you even bother commenting our stuff if it wasn't a concept of town you're already creating and if it didn't have high quality rendered graphics?
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Macron1
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posted September 18, 2013 08:44 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 20:53, 18 Sep 2013.
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By the way, when I was not yet banned on DF2, I was eaten for an idea to assign Forge not ordinary boat, but submarine.
SO I give you this idea as present.
Since you have 3d modelers, they can make submarine DEF for adventure map.
Boats are not supported trough mod yet, but submarine DEF may replace standart boat DEF for now.
I didn't yet search for boats txt files in LOD, and what can be done with them, but I think, it's a good idea.
When scripting/modding will be available, I think, there are two functions of submarine can be used:
1) protection from whirpools (units don't get lost in them)
2) since it's submarine, it cannot be attacked by ordinary boat on sea. Only from earth, when near bank (maybe too strong ability)
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 08:52 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 20:55, 18 Sep 2013.
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Neither VCMI Forge nor - I think - HotA Forge will have a shipyard, so new types of ships would be pretty useless. Besides - why would Kastore need them anyway?
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 08:56 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Neither VCMI Forge nor - I think - HotA Forge will have a shipyard, so new types of ships would be pretty useless. Besides - why would Kastore need them anyway?
Now your Forge has shipyard
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 08:59 PM |
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Shipyard is temporal, its purpose is to have some working special buildings at the moment. It's ugly, however, and there's no place for water on the townscreen, so we'll get rid of it as soon as possible.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 09:02 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Shipyard is temporal, its purpose is to have some working special buildings at the moment. It's ugly, however, and there's no place for water on the townscreen, so we'll get rid of it as soon as possible.
OK, so another town without shipyard...
Back of the castle, there can be placed some canal. Like in castle, when dock builds, water appears with it.
PS Some flood. Did Acid Cave modders even thinked about adding shipyards to all standard towns? VCMI allows it...
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 09:14 PM |
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Macron1 said:
OK, so another town without shipyard...
Shipyards are special buildings which aren't supposed to be in every town possible. I don't think Forge needs it.
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Back of the castle, there can be placed some canal. Like in castle, when dock builds, water appears with it.
Too much of it will be hidden behind the castle or the grail. Bad choice.
Macron1 said:
Did Acid Cave modders even thinked about adding shipyards to all standard towns?
Why would we?
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 09:20 PM |
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Hobbit said:
Why would we?
Since you do third upgrades mod
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Hobbit
Supreme Hero
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posted September 18, 2013 09:25 PM |
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Vade_Parvis
Known Hero
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posted September 22, 2013 03:36 PM |
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Hobbit said:
DF2, not this forum. You were the one to say that "it was just a coincidence" - like you need that explanation.
Here is the post, absolutely harmless and friendly. I do not see how you could see any charges in it. It seems to be a problem of mistranslation.
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while your forum ridiculed almost EVERY town that we made in one way or another. So basically you're getting upset of something that is pretty much normal.
In the our forum, if anything is ridiculed, then it really must be quite a shoddily job, regardless of the autor's nationality. And, unfortunately, frank slag among the projects of towns, until recently, it was really too much. Several different approaches inexperienced modders from different communities, but that's another story.
And, in any case, in our forum it has never been even close to such large-scale and focused action for discrediting of another mod, regardless of its quality. And for HotA Crew, especially with regard to qualitative and just a friendly mod, it would have been unthinkable.
And, yes, someone from your team said that our droid looks worse than your job four years ago that you were ashamed to show it. I would not like to say this, but your agressive overconfidence forcing to do it: four years ago, even those drawings for the Polish Forge, that the team was not ashamed to show, look, to put it mildly, not very good.
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Say, would you even bother commenting our stuff if it wasn't a concept of town you're already creating and if it didn't have high quality rendered graphics?
Wut? I'm attending this forum several years and until recently with great interest and respect watched how the project is progressing and the quality level of its execution rises higher, in spite of all the hardships in the past (such as the notorious troll in the older team, claiming that he has built 10th city).
P.S. Personally, you seemed to me a very sensible user, ready to establish relations between the teams able to single-handedly beat the stupid stereotype about Polish modders. I really hope, that I wasn't wrong.
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Hobbit
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posted September 22, 2013 04:13 PM |
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Edited by Hobbit at 16:43, 22 Sep 2013.
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Vade_Parvis said:
Here is the post, absolutely harmless and friendly. I do not see how you could see any charges in it.
I'm not saying that YOUR post was accusing us of something. But yeah, I guess it was a mistranslation - I noticed that your nation has quite different taste of irony (EDIT: like last Mantiss' post - "Idea was especially designed to make people who played in Heroes a lot for about ten and a half years angry"; I'm not really sure whether it's an accuse or an opinion), so that's where the problem lays. Sorry about that.
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In the our forum, if anything is ridiculed, then it really must be quite a shoddily job, regardless of the autor's nationality.
And yet somehow DF2 users are still using the word "Pole" as "someone who doesn't want to learn how to good mod", "a liar" or "a thief". -_-
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And, in any case, in our forum it has never been even close to such large-scale and focused action for discrediting of another mod, regardless of its quality. And for HotA Crew, especially with regard to qualitative and just a friendly mod, it would have been unthinkable.
What the heck are you talking about? It wasn't any kind of action, our whole "team" is just three or four guys with some people who helped us once or twice at the moment. How do you think we could arrange that by any meaning?
And no, we weren't discrediting your mod. We were discrediting your droid - because we thought that it is a bad idea. And some other users from AC (and also from this forum) also were against it. Of course some said that they don't like this mod because of many changes you did, but seriously - "focused action"?
That's just purely absurd. Think about that, really.
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And, yes, someone from your team said that our droid looks worse than your job four years ago that you were ashamed to show it. I would not like to say this, but your agressive overconfidence forcing to do it: four years ago, even those drawings for the Polish Forge, that the team was not ashamed to show, look, to put it mildly, not very good.
First of all: it was me. On this very community. But I didn't say it looks worse. I said: "Even the animation itself looks like something I made four years ago and was so ashamed of it that I've never shown it to anyone".
The point of this sentence is that even before any kind of my involvement in Forge project I was trying to model something in 3D that would look like a real unit. I made two models: a droid (similar to yours, though with less details) and a puppet head (which apparently were published, though I personally think that their animation wasn't any better). And because of that I know how it works - droid won't look good because it has no arms nor legs nor any kind of body which would distinguish attack from defence and waiting from flying. The only thing it can do is to rotate (because that's what balls can do apparently) and flash some lights. Hurray, great concept.
Second: if you tried to attack me, then good luck with that - I wasn't in any Forge team four years ago and I agree with you that they were ugly.
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Wut? I'm attending this forum several years and until recently with great interest and respect watched how the project is progressing and the quality level of its execution rises higher, in spite of all the hardships in the past (such as the notorious troll in the older team, claiming that he has built 10th city).
But somehow you are attacking our griffins "because we attacked your droid" (magnificent explanation, I say) while you ignored our minotaurs (on both HC and DF2), ogres and heroes which weren't any worse in quality than these griffins. And you're accusing the whole AC community of arranged hatred towards you, which is plain ridiculous.
I'd like you to calm down a bit, because either you are playing really dirty or you can't keep a healthy distance to your work whatsoever. Or that we didn't understand each other, which I'd like to believe.
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 22, 2013 09:32 PM |
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Edited by nik312 at 21:36, 22 Sep 2013.
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Hobbit said:
Vade_Parvis said:
And no, we weren't discrediting your mod. We were discrediting your droid - because we thought that it is a bad idea. And some other users from AC (and also from this forum) also were against it. Of course some said that they don't like this mod because of many changes you did, but seriously - "focused action"?
That's just purely absurd. Think about that, really.
The point of this sentence is that even before any kind of my involvement in Forge project I was trying to model something in 3D that would look like a real unit. I made two models: a droid (similar to yours, though with less details) and a puppet head (which apparently were published, though I personally think that their animation wasn't any better). And because of that I know how it works - droid won't look good because it has no arms nor legs nor any kind of body which would distinguish attack from defence and waiting from flying. The only thing it can do is to rotate (because that's what balls can do apparently) and flash some lights. Hurray, great concept.
Second: if you tried to attack me, then good luck with that - I wasn't in any Forge team four years ago and I agree with you that they were ugly.
And you're accusing the whole AC community of arranged hatred towards you, which is plain ridiculous.
I'd like you to calm down a bit, because either you are playing really dirty or you can't keep a healthy distance to your work whatsoever. Or that we didn't understand each other, which I'd like to believe.
Well, at first, hello everyone. I didn't know about this place much. Actually, I didn't even think, that there is any big, eng-speaking community of heroes 3, that is still alive. Glad, that I'm wrong (at least to some extent).
Now, about that strange conflict happening. It seems to me like a chain of certain misunderstadings due to language/mind specifics. Nobody accuses anybody of anything. For sure, members of HotA crew do not. I think, neither does AC. Certain argues around quality questions are quite normal.
As for droid - it seems quite cool to me. I think it'll fit perfectly into the game. Someone can think differently - that's okay, but for me it looks completely "in style" of Heroes III.
Our team may have certain irritation for other Forges, but it is quite understandable. Many people, who discuss the oncoming HotA-Forge, often mix it up with other versions and start to complain about graphics, atmosphere and overall quality of town. Some of us are tired already of explaining to everyone, that high quality of all content is the primary goal of HotA and that our project has nothing to do with other Forges except for basic idea.
That irritation may come out from time to time in some emotional posts here. But it doesn't mean, that we are trying to descredit your work by any means on purpose. Take it easy 
And yeah, one more thing . It's better not to guess about current course of HotA project by everything that is happening in open forums. The overall team opinion may differ from opinions of forum's masses and even individual team members.
I hope that there is no further ground for any of previous conflicts?
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Macron1
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posted September 22, 2013 09:43 PM |
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nik312 said:
Many people, who discuss the oncoming HotA-Forge, often mix it up with other versions and start to complain about graphics, atmosphere and overall quality of town.
It's simple for HOTA team - "HOTA towns rule, other towns snow"
So that's the point of argues. HOTA members often treate fan made town with disdain or openly say that they are ugly/crap/junk.
Maybe some ordinary users can say "town is crap", because they don't know the work behind even compiling new town.
But HOTA members don't have right to these sayings. Their disrespect to other fan works is hurting modders. What they expect to come back?
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nik312
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 22, 2013 10:57 PM |
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Edited by nik312 at 23:13, 22 Sep 2013.
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Macron1 said:
nik312 said:
Many people, who discuss the oncoming HotA-Forge, often mix it up with other versions and start to complain about graphics, atmosphere and overall quality of town.
It's simple for HOTA team - "HOTA towns rule, other towns snow"
So that's the point of argues. HOTA members often treate fan made town with disdain or openly say that they are ugly/crap/junk.
Maybe some ordinary users can say "town is crap", because they don't know the work behind even compiling new town.
But HOTA members don't have right to these sayings. Their disrespect to other fan works is hurting modders. What they expect to come back?
Well, initially, we are not positioninig ourselves like that. We are just trying to create a mod of really high quality. With very careful approach to every element. Considering overall atmosphere relevance, SoD habits relevance, gameplay balance relevance, trying to get a feel of complete in-game appropriatenes. So, obviously, we don't really like comparisons with mods, which don't use that approach. Just because it is stupid to compare at all. HotA has just different goal from other existing mods atm. Hobbit said enough about it on DF2:
"We're not competing with HotA Crew. Our works are too different from each other by now, so we just can't compete by any meanings. While HotA Crew's goal is (I guess) to make a fully playable and enjoyable town that will look like it's made by NWC and that will not look out of place when compared to other towns, VCMI Forge is more of a "Hey guys, this is somehow playable Forge you waited for!" kind of stuff. It's out for several months, and it's still progressing and changing. It's more of an "add-on-mod" rather than pure classical add-on like HotA. Because of VCMI limitations and not-really-professional team, VCMI Forge will never be as polished as HotA Forge. So there's no competition at all, just two separate projects going on." (c)
So, no, we don't want to discredit work of other modders. We just say stuff, like: there can be no adoption from other mods in HotA, one should not put HotA in line with WoG, VCMI, Grove or anything, one should not make predictions about future HotA stuff by seeing only results of other mods, e.t.c. Just because HotA heads after RoE, AB, SoD. Not after WoG, ERA, VCMI, Grove, or anything.
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