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avalon00x
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posted December 14, 2011 08:59 PM |
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Well, they should have started with that by version 1.0, then, instead of releasing a bug-plagued game and then using endless amounts of time on testing the patches. 
On perfect terms you are right, but in all earnest The Large mayority if not all games come with bugs at release date.
And it has been that way for far to long, having said that it is no more then logical that games come out with bugs and they WILL be patched. People who can enyoy the game the way it is right now are aplenty and really all people can do is rage on forums on how many bugs the game has. But that is all people can do. oh you wont buy the next installment because this game like all others is released with bugs? Well feel free to pass on the expantions that will Fix annoyances. But fact is that people enyoy the game as it is right now and if you dont then. woudnt it be wiser to just wait with playing untill it becomes enyoyable for you instead of Claiming the game should not have been released as it is just becouse YOU and a few LOUD others dont enyoy the game yet. eventho the game is clearly in a much better state then H 5 was at the start?
The big problem seems to be that
1: they made a few stupid moves that angried the fans ( town screens for example)
2: the only real comparison me included make right now is to
H5 + Expantions and that has more factions but more importantly had
two expantions and even more so in years the time to FIX things that
were broken and listen to fans.
That being said i can do nothing else but ultimately disagree with your oppinion.
On a different note the patch notes seem rather short. and un- detailed in the bugs section, dous anyone have something else that can be added to the patchnotes list?
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted December 14, 2011 09:23 PM |
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Sorry, but postulating that the majority of games have bugs is such a red herring that I'm going blind looking at it. Every so often I see a haters will hate message defending the situation, but I hope you can appreciate that these are at least a little insulting since at least three-quarters of posters here - including me - take serious issue with the current state of the game. And HC is, in my experience, one of the most optimistic forums on the internet. Now maybe you can see why I used to start singing from the rooftops every time a delay was announced.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 14, 2011 09:28 PM |
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I think it's hilarious when you look at the first trailers and it says March 2011 or something like that lol
just imagine what the state of the game would have been like back then
tbh I wouldn't mind an expansion that focused a 100% on adding a new faction, perhaps alternate upgrades and good multiplayer with a duel laddering system and similtanous turns
it wouldn't add any new campaigns or maps (though a different theme probably makes those)
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Over himself, over his own
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odium
Known Hero
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posted December 14, 2011 09:36 PM |
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Edited by odium at 21:41, 14 Dec 2011.
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On perfect terms you are right, but in all earnest The Large mayority if not all games come with bugs at release date.
And it has been that way for far to long, having said that it is no more then logical that games come out with bugs and they WILL be patched.
The fact that others are doing something wrong is not a valid argument. Nobody denies the fact that at release there will be issues, but the amount of issues in H6 is outrageous even for this gaming era. More so after a plethora of beta stages...
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But fact is that people enyoy the game as it is right now and if you dont then. woudnt it be wiser to just wait with playing untill it becomes enyoyable for you instead of Claiming the game should not have been released as it is just becouse YOU and a few LOUD others dont enyoy the game yet. eventho the game is clearly in a much better state then H 5 was at the start?
False assumptions after false assumptions, I don't even know where to start. From where do you get the fact that people enjoy the game that much? There is no other way to judge how fans feel unless you look on the various forums or you look at the amount of games online. The way I see it, the MAJORITY of people on various forums are not at all happy with H6, some are louder some are still waiting. The amount of online games at least on the European/ American server is PATHETIC. So do explain from where you see this "success" that H6 is at the moment. And the comparison with probably one of the worst starts in Heroes' franchise is priceless...
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted December 14, 2011 09:37 PM |
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Well what I said was ment half as a tongue-in-cheek remark, but on a serious note, with the state that the game currently is in, I frankly don't fathom why they bother with such intensive testing of the patch - particularly considering how miserable their internal bug testing group must be, considering the glaring number of obvious bugs in 1.0 and even 1.1.
So I actually think it might have been better to just throw together a hap-hazard patch to fix some of the most obvious bugs and then release it asap. As long as the game still worked, it could almost only be an upgrade on the current situation, and if there were things they missed, the fans would certainly report it to them faster and more thoroughly than any internal test procedure. I mean, come on, it's been literally 2 months since 1.1.1 was out.
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What will happen now?
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted December 14, 2011 10:15 PM |
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And HC is, in my experience, one of the most optimistic forums on the internet.
understatement
I think it's the most civilised one by far.
Those who think different and say that there are haters here should check the forum for HoN or DotA2.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 14, 2011 10:28 PM |
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The HoN community is the worst one I have ever seen. It's even worse than the mainstream WoW communities (I love my forums.scrollsoflore though!)
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted December 14, 2011 11:03 PM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 23:04, 14 Dec 2011.
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From where do you get the fact that people enjoy the game that much?
That's your regular minority behaviour in such discussions - when you can't prove that you are right, you are referring to a huge invisible crowd standing behind the scenes and silently supporting you and the thing which you are defending in the discussion. We've had such comments before the release + during the beta when we, the Loud Ones, voiced concerns that the game is going to be released in pretty crappy state once again and of course with time it became clear who's right (not that it wasn't clear even in the first place).
As for "every game is buggy"; "Heroes V took multiple patches and two expansions to be fixed"; other yada yada like that, I really have no idea why people keep repeating such b*******s. What broken logic is required to claim that every new game is a reinvention of the wheel and it's completely natural to be nigh unplayable at first is something that I just can't comprehend. But hey, the plastic corporations which don't give a rat's arse about the customers must be proud of such strong supporters of their money-sucking policy.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted December 14, 2011 11:45 PM |
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The bad things started with the warlock being an inferno hero. Everything went downhill from there.
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avalon00x
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
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posted December 15, 2011 01:00 AM |
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Sorry, but postulating that the majority of games have bugs is such a red herring that I'm going blind looking at it. Every so often I see a haters will hate message defending the situation, but I hope you can appreciate that these are at least a little insulting
The majority of games released with bugs is deception at all it is the cold hard truth on the pc platform MOST of the games ARE riddled with bugs at the launch look for yourself for games released in the past 3-4 years and you will see that its like that with nearly all of them.
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The fact that others are doing something wrong is not a valid argument. Nobody denies the fact that at release there will be issues, but the amount of issues in H6 is outrageous even for this gaming era. More so after a plethora of beta stages...
when it is just others maybe so. But when everyone is throwing snow out the window you wont point at the guy on c4 2 blocks away and ask him what the hell he's doing. On the lack of improvement on the beta stages i can do nothing more as humbly agree.
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False assumptions after false assumptions, I don't even know where to start. From where do you get the fact that people enjoy the game that much? There is no other way to judge how fans feel unless you look on the various forums or you look at the amount of games online. The way I see it, the MAJORITY of people on various forums are not at all happy with H6, some are louder some are still waiting. The amount of online games at least on the European/ American server is PATHETIC. So do explain from where you see this "success" that H6 is at the moment. And the comparison with probably one of the worst starts in Heroes' franchise is priceless...
1: personal experience of al lthe people i know that have the game only one prefers 3 but then again he's the type that lives in a cave and dousnt go along with time at all so.
2: okay so you say that on forums people complain. do you recommend games that you dont like to friends? (no generally not so that was a retorical question)
H6 has been recommended 729 times on steam a lousy number but still a larger number as people i have seen complain on all the forums together.
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From where do you get the fact that people enjoy the game that much?
That's your regular minority behaviour in such discussions - when you can't prove that you are right, you are referring to a huge invisible crowd standing behind the scenes and silently supporting you and the thing which you are defending in the discussion. We've had such comments before the release + during the beta when we, the Loud Ones, voiced concerns that the game is going to be released in pretty crappy state once again and of course with time it became clear who's right (not that it wasn't clear even in the first place).
untill you show me more as 729 people that are unhappy with the game i believe you are the minority kind sir.
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As for "every game is buggy"; "Heroes V took multiple patches and two expansions to be fixed"; other yada yada like that, I really have no idea why people keep repeating such b*******s. What broken logic is required to claim that every new game is a reinvention of the wheel and it's completely natural to be nigh unplayable at first is something that I just can't comprehend. But hey, the plastic corporations which don't give a rat's arse about the customers must be proud of such strong supporters of their money-sucking policy.
Because it pretty much is. i doubt everything is copy pasta from the previous game. In the scenario that they used a different engine its pretty much starting all over from scrap.
And if according to you,: it is broken logic to see that one needs a product before one can take feedback and use that feedbacks ( albeit there are not alot of signs of them doing something but that aside) to improve the product and add to it.
And that When once someone has had the time to do the above one will have a better chance of delivering a good product.
Last but not least H6 on the biggest map against all ai is a whole lot more playable as H5 with all its expantions.
edit: wait wut i didn't tipe snow o.0 my methaphore as been murdered 
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Aosaw
Promising
Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted December 15, 2011 02:49 AM |
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Just because everybody does it doesn't make it okay. If that were the case, then there would be no point in speed limits, because "everybody speeds sometimes".
What's happened here - and what happens all too frequently with games in general - is that the developer hit a deadline, realized that there was no time to test the game to make sure there were no bugs in it, and just decided to release it anyway.
It's not that the bugs are acceptable. The response has been loud enough that we know the bugs aren't acceptable. It's not like the developers met one day to decide what bugs they would put into the game so they would have something to fix later. The problem is the number of bugs that were allowed to slip through into the final product, and the amount of time it is taking for those bugs to be resolved.
Because the truth is, to a certain extent, bugs are expected, and as a player you sort of know and can tolerate a modicum of "this needs work".
But when it starts to feel more like an infestation than a quirk of the software...something's gone wrong.
Honestly, we should be holding the developers to a higher standard than this. If we're paying 50-60 dollars for a game - which, for most people, is a significant investment - we should be confident that the game will be playable.
The trouble isn't that this game is worse for bugs than Heroes V was at release; the trouble is that it seems, despite Heroes V, that Ubisoft has learned nothing about what it takes to publish one of these games.
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x-ecutionner
Known Hero
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posted December 15, 2011 02:56 AM |
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. And HC is, in my experience, one of the most optimistic forums on the internet.
It's the best english-speaking Forum for Heroes. Really.
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odium
Known Hero
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posted December 15, 2011 08:02 AM |
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Edited by odium at 08:05, 15 Dec 2011.
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when it is just others maybe so. But when everyone is throwing snow out the window you wont point at the guy on c4 2 blocks away and ask him what the hell he's doing. On the lack of improvement on the beta stages i can do nothing more as humbly agree.
Not everyone is so trick-skinned as Ubisoft. And there are PC games that don't have the kind of issues H6 has. Many games have balancing issue and minor bugs. H6 is at a completely different level of issues.
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1: personal experience of al lthe people i know that have the game only one prefers 3 but then again he's the type that lives in a cave and dousnt go along with time at all so.
LOL, this is one of the logical fallacies and is analogous to this one:
"Argument: Every person I've met speaks English, so it must be true that all people speak English.
Problem: Those who have been met are a representative subset of the entire set."
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2: okay so you say that on forums people complain. do you recommend games that you dont like to friends? (no generally not so that was a retorical question)
H6 has been recommended 729 times on steam a lousy number but still a larger number as people i have seen complain on all the forums together.
I can't believe that you make this kind of argumentation. I mean from the tens of thousand or even hundreds of thousand of people that bought the game only 729 recommend it and you give this as an argument in your favor?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted December 15, 2011 08:15 AM |
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I can't believe that you make this kind of argumentation. I mean from the tens of thousand or even hundreds of thousand of people that bought the game only 729 recommend it and you give this as an argument in your favor?
Not that I would like to deffende that argument, it is a bad one, but...
1): How many games were there solde through Steam.
2): What part of the total sales is the steam number.
3): Are there any games in the last year that have similar rates on steam?
4): If they are, what is the recomandation rate for those games.
Whithout comparisom this is just a number. A number that does not say anything. You would have to give us some context to show how valide it is.
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odium
Known Hero
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posted December 15, 2011 09:01 AM |
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Not that I would like to deffende that argument, it is a bad one, but...
1): How many games were there solde through Steam.
2): What part of the total sales is the steam number.
3): Are there any games in the last year that have similar rates on steam?
4): If they are, what is the recomandation rate for those games.
Whithout comparisom this is just a number. A number that does not say anything. You would have to give us some context to show how valide it is.
Completely agree. 
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted December 15, 2011 09:36 AM |
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Because it pretty much is. i doubt everything is copy pasta from the previous game. In the scenario that they used a different engine its pretty much starting all over from scrap.
That means nothing. Even if everything is 100% new, Ubisoft had a few heavy volumes worth of feedback from Heroes V even only from their own official forum to be aware that almost nobody finds it acceptable to play a half-finished game. Even if they have never had any idea of the previous Heroes' development process, they managed to gain enough experience and opinions from the Heroes V release + its expansions so no matter that the developer was different, they were aware what should have been done but yet they preferred to repeat the same scenario and sell the game in more or less beta state. Add their terrible communication policy and refusal to take responsibility for their mistakes (have you seen their "explanation" about the town windows for example?) or any stance at all, add the completely unacceptable delay of the patch, add their other genius moves like those survey that just proved once again that they have no idea what this franchise is and don't care for the responses of people living outside certain countries and see what you get. Heroes IV was developed in 10 times worse environment and yet it was released in 10 times better technical state than Heroes VI.
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And if according to you,: it is broken logic to see that one needs a product before one can take feedback and use that feedbacks ( albeit there are not alot of signs of them doing something but that aside) to improve the product and add to it.
You really mean this? Man, take a look around. Check the official forum. Check whatever Internet medium you have access to. Since the announcement in 2010 there has been enough feedback to make it clear what's liked and what not about the game and more than enough about its technical performance. Most of this feedback has been ignored. So your point is?
About the 729 thing - the other people have already answered you nicely. And I don't buy from Steam, but do they have a "Don't recommend" or something similar for counter-balance?
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KingImp
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posted December 15, 2011 04:48 PM |
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Even if everything is 100% new, Ubisoft had a few heavy volumes worth of feedback from Heroes V even only from their own official forum to be aware that almost nobody finds it acceptable to play a half-finished game. Even if they have never had any idea of the previous Heroes' development process, they managed to gain enough experience and opinions from the Heroes V release + its expansions so no matter that the developer was different, they were aware what should have been done but yet they preferred to repeat the same scenario and sell the game in more or less beta state. Add their terrible communication policy and refusal to take responsibility for their mistakes (have you seen their "explanation" about the town windows for example?) or any stance at all, add the completely unacceptable delay of the patch, add their other genius moves like those survey that just proved once again that they have no idea what this franchise is and don't care for the responses of people living outside certain countries and see what you get.
I think a lot of this may fall on them going from Fabrice being the head producer to Erwan Smugface McButtons (awesome reference borrowed from Aosaw  )
Fabrice seemed to understand what Heroes was all about and he communicated with the fans on the official forums. Not just the VIPs behind the scenes, but everyone. Erwan seems to have no clue what Heroes is about and not only does he not even communicate with the VIPs from what I understand (minus that little Q&A thingy they did), unless it's an opportunity for him to be on camera, he's painfully absent.
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flyingpenut
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posted December 15, 2011 04:48 PM |
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Not that I would like to deffende that argument, it is a bad one, but...
1): How many games were there solde through Steam.
2): What part of the total sales is the steam number.
3): Are there any games in the last year that have similar rates on steam?
4): If they are, what is the recomandation rate for those games.
Whithout comparisom this is just a number. A number that does not say anything. You would have to give us some context to show how valide it is.
Completely agree.
Ok guys please dont be stupid now. It is not openion anymore but it is a solid fact that this game is not well recieved. There are no statistics required to prove the poor quality of this game. If you do not think this is a poor quality game then please give me your email address. I have many things i would like to sell you that are grossly overpriced.
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avalon00x
Bad-mannered
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posted December 15, 2011 05:01 PM |
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I can't believe that you make this kind of argumentation. I mean from the tens of thousand or even hundreds of thousand of people that bought the game only 729 recommend it and you give this as an argument in your favor?
i even said that it was a lousy number but i got asked to show the majority of people that DO like the game. and i present you 729 that DO like the game despite the bug infested state it is in. i have yet to see 729 people that hate the game tho.
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odium
Known Hero
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posted December 15, 2011 05:16 PM |
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Edited by odium at 17:17, 15 Dec 2011.
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Ok guys please dont be stupid now. It is not openion anymore but it is a solid fact that this game is not well recieved. There are no statistics required to prove the poor quality of this game. If you do not think this is a poor quality game then please give me your email address. I have many things i would like to sell you that are grossly overpriced.
LOL  , I guess your right, when one does not see the plain obvious but in fact the complete opposite no matter what arguments others provide, it's pretty safe to assume he won't change his mind.
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