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JollyJoker
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posted January 10, 2012 09:18 PM |
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Curiosity kills ... sometimes more than a cat
Have "fun" reading this:
The Bustamante Case
How to deal with something like that?
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posted January 10, 2012 09:23 PM |
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And that's pretty much the definition of a psychopath. Honestly, society should just harvest her organs and call it a day.
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posted January 10, 2012 09:24 PM |
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well she's just mad. psychopath yes, she probably doesn't realize what she did.
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Adrius
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posted January 10, 2012 09:26 PM |
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How to deal? Eh... put her in a safe facility somewhere and give her mental treatment.
That's all.
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posted January 10, 2012 09:33 PM |
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I say test her, throw a couple of more kids in with her, if she kills them then she's defo a pchycopath, atleast this time there's irrefutable evidence. (she might be taking the fall for some lowly beast)
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posted January 10, 2012 09:40 PM |
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I say test her, throw a couple of more kids in with her, if she kills them then she's defo a pchycopath, atleast this time there's irrefutable evidence. (she might be taking the fall for some lowly beast)
Genius of our time.
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posted January 10, 2012 10:59 PM |
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Well, the outrage and all... I mean, sure, but certainly after that a couple of thoughts seem to spring up:
I don't want to make this a religious discussion - not AT ALL -, but I cannot help but notice the parallels to Eve. I can't imagine no one told Alyssa that you are not supposed to kill, that EVERYONE, God, parents, teachers, you name them, agree in that it is FORBIDDEN.
Still, she wanted to know how it feels - and she actually did it.
So shouldn't someone ask her, how it DID feel? Shouldn't people record everything, painstakingly, and check what the hell went wrong there?
What makes a predator a predator and a human a more social being? I mean, think about the modus operandi: throttling (with bare hands), sticking a knife into the chest and slitting the throat; it's not just KILLING, it's a very PERSONAL method. She could have just as well stick claws into the chest, close the jaws around her and rip her throat out.
Psychopath? Yes, possibly. But - and I mean that QUITE seriously -, think about Dexter. Are we still covering everything we don't understand and put it safely away because we are too afraid to take a look into ... what is actually not an impersonal field of science, but what is actually a part of humanity. There might be uses even for psychopaths - and be it only knowledge to gain about ourselves.
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posted January 10, 2012 11:06 PM |
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Well yeah, that's partially why I always get weirded out when people instantly go "STRING THE MURDERER UP AND SALT HIS INTESTINES" as soon as something horrible happens. Perhaps most notably the Norway incident case.
I see no need to make the mentally ill suffer, so I don't advocate painful experimentation either.
As we give these individuals psychiatric treatment, we are also able to tap deeper into exactly what makes this individual... well... tick. As we help them, they can also help us prevent future similar events.
So yeah, go psychiatric treatment. Simply locking her away won't help anyone.
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posted January 10, 2012 11:45 PM |
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Keep her out of general society, yes, but don't put her so far away that we can't use her to stop things like this from happening later. We need to learn from history, mistakes and warnings, not shove them under the bed with everything else that we don't want our mothers to see.
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posted January 11, 2012 12:06 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 00:28, 11 Jan 2012.
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Well yeah, that's partially why I always get weirded out when people instantly go "STRING THE MURDERER UP AND SALT HIS INTESTINES" as soon as something horrible happens. Perhaps most notably the Norway incident case.
I see no need to make the mentally ill suffer, so I don't advocate painful experimentation either.
As we give these individuals psychiatric treatment, we are also able to tap deeper into exactly what makes this individual... well... tick. As we help them, they can also help us prevent future similar events.
So yeah, go psychiatric treatment. Simply locking her away won't help anyone.
If somebody kills your son or your daughter you want REVENGE and not some stupid treatment for the psychopath.
If I was in this situation,I would have tried to prevent my kid from going to school at that time,or completely. Eventually, I would have attacked her or threatened her. Dont tell me that there were no signs that she was going to do these type of things.There are always signs for an impending catastrophe.
This is another blow to public schools and society,unable to prevent even such an animalistic murder.
Best treatment to a psychopath? Just kill her. Its useless to even feed such individuals,yes there is no such thing as "ethics" when it comes to this.
Realistically speaking,it wont happen. She will get treatment or be declared mentally ill and sometime in the future,she will be released.
"Justice" has been served...
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Adrius
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posted January 11, 2012 12:14 AM |
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Wow.
Holy ****.
Are you trolling me?
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If somebody kills your son or your daughter you want REVENGE and not some stupid treatment for the psychopath.
You saying that a parent that has just lost his/her kid is capable of a rational decision?
Of course the parent wants the ****er that killed her child dead, that doesn't mean that it's right.
Yeah let's kill her man, you want to be the one to pull the trigger? What if new evidence comes forward tomorrow? Maybe she was like, raped a million times over by her dad until her mind was a broken mess. You still think she deserves to be killed?
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posted January 11, 2012 12:26 AM |
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Wow.
Holy ****.
Are you trolling me?
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If somebody kills your son or your daughter you want REVENGE and not some stupid treatment for the psychopath.
You saying that a parent that has just lost his/her kid is capable of a rational decision?
Of course the parent wants the ****er that killed her child dead, that doesn't mean that it's right.
Yeah let's kill her man, you want to be the one to pull the trigger? What if new evidence comes forward tomorrow? Maybe she was like, raped a million times over by her dad until her mind was a broken mess. You still think she deserves to be killed?
No I am not trolling you but killing somebody with a knife,slitting her throat...
Pff,when this happened in Europe for some other reasons(Slandering Islam),it disgusted me.I may be answering a bit irrationally but its very disgusting.
I dont know the correct "treatment" to these people but it would be best if they disappeared from the planet.If she wanted to know how it is like to kill somebody,why not just ask some "soldiers".Sounds stupid but this article is kinda crap.
Nevermind, I am sorry if i may have annoyed you.
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Adrius
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posted January 11, 2012 12:29 AM |
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Oh I wasn't annoyed, just baffled.
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posted January 11, 2012 12:48 AM |
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Best treatment to a psychopath? Just kill her.
you know what is a psychopath?
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posted January 11, 2012 01:50 AM |
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I don't want to make this a religious discussion - not AT ALL -, but I cannot help but notice the parallels to Eve. I can't imagine no one told Alyssa that you are not supposed to kill, that EVERYONE, God, parents, teachers, you name them, agree in that it is FORBIDDEN.
Still, she wanted to know how it feels - and she actually did it.
Actually, it is nothing at all similar to what Eve did. Eve was tempted and deceived by an evil being into thinking eating the forbidden fruit would make her wise. She did not slit anyone's throat just to watch her die. That reminds me of a Johnny Cash song by the way.
However, the murderer's actions do remind me how her actions are not inconsistent with the logical conclusions of materialistic atheism. That human life has NO innate value, which several atheists have said on these very boards. You have said such as well if I am not mistaken. If a person believes life has no innate value then there is no reason for a person not to kill just to see what it feels like it if he is willing to risk getting caught. After all, to said atheist murder is FORBIDDEN BUT NOT IMMORAL. 
Anyways, I think all premeditated murderers should be awarded the death penalty. She planned the murder. She knew what she was doing. She should die for her crimes.
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Fauch
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posted January 11, 2012 02:11 AM |
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However, the murderer's actions do remind me how her actions are not inconsistent with the logical conclusions of materialistic atheism.
that's pushing it a bit far, no? there is certainly more than just logic involved here. well actually, if she is a psychopath, there is probably nothing more than logic involved indeed.
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posted January 11, 2012 02:12 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 02:14, 11 Jan 2012.
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Best treatment to a psychopath? Just kill her.
you know what is a psychopath?
Yes of course. But I dotn know why you are asking this?(Indeed I am just asking dumb.)
But I like radical solutions for radical problem doers. Call me extremist if you wish.
If it was to me,I would leave her at the mercy of the victims parents.
As for Elodin,you know, its not about religion. There are many US soldiers who are Christians and have commited war crimes in Iraq,incomprehensible war crimes.There are many Islamist fanatics who have committed murder similar to this one,even in Europe...
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Fauch
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posted January 11, 2012 02:15 AM |
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and how are psychopaths problems doers?
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Adrius
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posted January 11, 2012 02:20 AM |
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Evidence has popped up in cases like, 20 years after the judging has been made, which severely changes things.
If the person is in jail then, we can at least release him/her or alter their punishment to fit the new evidence.
No such thing is possible when a death penalty has been made... at best you can say... "ooops".
Sure, some might say that in this case it's "obvious" that she did it. But where are we supposed to draw the line between "obvious, kill her" and "not sure..."? Who gets to live and who dies?
Pleads of guilt can be lies.
Video evidence can be false.
Witnesses can be delusional, liars or just not remember things right.
The judges can make mistakes.
Etc etc etc...
We can never be 100% sure of anything, so playing with life and death in that manner is just silly. As long as we keep them from harming others, what good does killing them do?
Personally I'm more than willing to pay a bit of extra taxmoney to allow even murderers to live. This here Adrius thinks life is precious, even that of murderers.
EDIT:
Just got major Déjà vu... feels like I've discussed this to death already.
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posted January 11, 2012 03:49 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 04:32, 11 Jan 2012.
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and how are psychopaths problems doers?
Well,occasionally they murder.But they have a problem with society because they have no empathy and can kill you because of how fun it appears to them.
I think the one not understanding what a psychopath is,is you.
Why ask this anyway? I see this as a provocation. I would apologize for my assumptions, if the questions were not meant as a provocation.
I am pretty sure this psycho is not a good student as claimed by her "Friends". Yes,her friends are also guilty because I am sure somebody knew there that she was going to do what she did.
I might be wrong but highly doubt that this is not the case.99% of the time,others know about this but are too "I dont give a damn" when it comes to this.
Her friends probably knew what she was going to do.
Shouldnt they be also charged because they have participated or assisted a murder?
Our justice system cannot condemn the others because of lies.The others will just claim that they knew nothing...
Awesome huh?
The only thing you can do is call a private detective and make him find out how many of them knew by sniffing them,then...nothing.
The end of this tragedy is simple,the real murderers get away,her friends or better yet,the society. There are countless other cases and no steps have been taken to stop this.
Hypocrisy is one of the defining elements of human nature.One will scream about cookies being taken from them but not if somebody else's cookies are taken.
Same here,its a deafening silence when it comes to this and no steps are taken to prevent this because its not their kid who died.
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