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posted February 17, 2012 11:32 AM |
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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
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posted February 17, 2012 12:08 PM |
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As did I 
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KaynaCrous
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posted February 17, 2012 01:47 PM |
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Yep, Ubisoft is driving them to bankruptcy. Black hole is a company of what, 7 programmer friends? Cies like those working on games must have like, 1 big contract per 2 years?
Just 1 bad contract and its an automatic bankruptcy. Ubisoft s bad management policy, quantity over quality and money on quick term rather than long term will drive those guys out of their studio. But it wont affect Ubisoft tho, because they have such a quantity of games.
After reading some about Ubisoft, I know its Ubisoft s fault and not Black hole. Just look at the initial release of Homm6, some bugs were so simple its obvious that the programmers had not enough time rather than sucking at their jobs.
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adriancat
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posted February 17, 2012 01:55 PM |
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If Black Hole declares bankruptcy what will happen to HOMM6 ?
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War-overlord
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posted February 17, 2012 01:59 PM |
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If Black Hole declares bankruptcy what will happen to HOMM6 ?
Ubisoft will likely take what is juridically theirs. Then they will likely either turn it over to a new studio to handle the rest of the project, or declare Heroes VI a done project and move on to the next M&M project in the pipeline whatever that might be.
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xerox
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posted February 17, 2012 07:34 PM |
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I just hope that the HoMM franchise won't die now. 
honesty I would prefer to have H7 in like 2-3 years rather than H6 expansions
I just really don't like some of the concepts in H6 such as no alternate upgrades, few resources, no town screens, gameplay is based on healing, town conversion etc
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posted February 17, 2012 08:00 PM |
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I would rather wait for H7 too. I bought Heroes VI due to a belief that their experimentation with the formula would be ironed out over time(that is, things like healing would be made more fair, resources being lowered would matter more, etc). But, the fact that the game has had so little support leads me to strongly believe that we would be better served by the game effectively dying rather than continuation as it currently is. Don't get me wrong: some of the ideas in H6 are *very* good and, I'll admit it, refreshing. However, the overarching lesson we can draw from the development, and subsequent lack of support on the game, is that Black Hole and Ubi cannot be trusted with a venerable, and sensitive, series such as this. Do it right, or don't do it all.
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posted February 17, 2012 09:58 PM |
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I hope we will have at least one expansion with H6, because I doubt that without expansions Ubisoft will have any profit with H6, and won't bother with finding a team to create H7.
The alternative solution for Ubisoft to profit with H6 would be abuse of DLCs.
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posted February 18, 2012 05:04 PM |
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I have to be honest, if we never see a Heroes VII, I wouldn't be heartbroken.
It started with H5 where Nival just completely crapped the bed and put out an awful product. Then after mostly everything was worked out after the TotE expansion, I figured they were on the right track. Even though Ubi decided to drop them and go with another developer, I had high hopes based on what I was seeing. Then the beta came and my hopes came crashing down. What a piece of garbage! I excused this though because it was just the beta afterall and still was excited for the final release. Talk about a letdown. This was no better, and in some cases worse than the beta.
At this point, I just want them to put out the expansions, give us the rest of the factions that were planned from the beginning, and be done with it all.
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SKPRIMUS
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The One and the Prime
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posted February 18, 2012 06:53 PM |
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Yep, Ubisoft is driving them to bankruptcy...
...After reading some about Ubisoft, I know its Ubisoft s fault and not Black hole...
LMAO I heard Ubi held a gunphone to their heads & blackholedblackmailed them to do the work, or else they'll take away their only phone that could catch up without luckwith some success.
Well Ubi had a nice Christmas quarter due to Just Dance 3...who knows maybe they'll turn in a profit this year with on-flowing side-effects.
But they'll never get any money from me for DLCs.
Interesting how Dexter emphasised "former" there, saying it once wasn't enough? I'm surprised there wasn't more personal replies so far in the What feature addition/expansion would you want to see?
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posted February 18, 2012 08:26 PM |
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"I hope we will have at least one expansion with H6, because I doubt that without expansions Ubisoft will have any profit with H6, and won't bother with finding a team to create H7."
Well if Blackhole goes belly up, it is highly unlikely that any developer can take over the project and churn out an expansion or even a fix in the near future.
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War-overlord
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posted February 18, 2012 08:43 PM |
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Interesting how Dexter emphasised "former" there, saying it once wasn't enough?
I think you misunderstand what Dex said there.
You need to understand that Erwan le Breton is the second Ubisoft producer of the Might and Magic franchise. He succeeded former producer Fabrice Cambounet in 2008 somewhere around the release of TotE. Nival had a scrap with Cambounet, or the other way around, and the ties tween the two companies were cut.
That is why Dex emphasised former, to make it clear that it was Cambounet who decided to part ways with Nival.
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posted February 18, 2012 08:53 PM |
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When I say its Ubisoft s fault, its because I know they decided the date the game was gonna go out without trying to understand how much time it would truely take, and since Black hole only get 1 contract per 2 years, 1 bad contract means their name is ruined. That is how Ubisoft s driving em to bankruptcy.
A name ruined = very probable bankruptcy, not because they held a phone at their head, threatening and all.
We ll never know if Black Hole really sucked or if they would have made a good game now.
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posted February 19, 2012 09:44 PM |
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Interesting how Dexter emphasised "former" there, saying it once wasn't enough?
I think you misunderstand what Dex said there.
You need to understand that Erwan le Breton is the second Ubisoft producer of the Might and Magic franchise. He succeeded former producer Fabrice Cambounet in 2008 somewhere around the release of TotE. Nival had a scrap with Cambounet, or the other way around, and the ties tween the two companies were cut.
That is why Dex emphasised former, to make it clear that it was Cambounet who decided to part ways with Nival.
Noo, I didn't misunderstand...I know Fabrice is the former producer. I found it interesting that he said former & then immediatedly re-emphasized it again as if people don't read the word former or there is some hidden meaning.
& pretty much many fans had problems with Nival and H5 (before TotE) & one of Nival's personnel's apparent answers to crappy AI was "play harder difficulty" or "don't use save/load" ==> eg. good idea not to let "fools" answer for your company.
So many thought use anyone but Nival...Wonder what people think now
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Oops, you're actually serious? Can't make imp griffin dive or sun-riders work at v1.1 (not much progress since beta) and making luck suddenly not work at v1.1 when it worked before! & then adding extra bug in v1.2 with the dynasty compare --> those are pretty big errors & obvious the programmer doing the work wasn't very good or lacked version control. Also for example: If you win a contract based on being cheap & then sign the contract agreeing with the price & all the attached conditions without any previous experience developing complex TBS games when you've only made 3 RTS products etc, then it's your own fault if something bad results.
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posted February 19, 2012 11:19 PM |
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Then again we have companies like Bethesda that make some of the best games in the world and still manage to make dragons fly backwards with their patches.
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Interesting how Dexter emphasised "former" there, saying it once wasn't enough?
I think you misunderstand what Dex said there.
You need to understand that Erwan le Breton is the second Ubisoft producer of the Might and Magic franchise. He succeeded former producer Fabrice Cambounet in 2008 somewhere around the release of TotE. Nival had a scrap with Cambounet, or the other way around, and the ties tween the two companies were cut.
That is why Dex emphasised former, to make it clear that it was Cambounet who decided to part ways with Nival.
Noo, I didn't misunderstand...I know Fabrice is the former producer. I found it interesting that he said former & then immediatedly re-emphasized it again as if people don't read the word former or there is some hidden meaning.
& pretty much many fans had problems with Nival and H5 (before TotE) & one of Nival's personnel's apparent answers to crappy AI was "play harder difficulty" or "don't use save/load" ==> eg. good idea not to let "fools" answer for your company.
So many thought use anyone but Nival...Wonder what people think now
Well, there was more to it than meets the eye, that's true. Let's just say that you don't get transferred from a top AAA title to a simple browser-based game if you can do your job right...
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Well, there was more to it than meets the eye, that's true. Let's just say that you don't get transferred from a top AAA title to a simple browser-based game if you can do your job right...
See that s where you assume wrong. If you go read Ubisoft s past history, they have a policy to fire people after 3-4 years of work because the higher ups dont want anyone to get up the company's ladder.
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posted February 20, 2012 06:51 AM |
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I hope this is true. M&M: H6 is a mediocre game. A developer that creates a game like this shouldn't stay in business. I want to play good games. They may be a victim of Ubisoft, but it doesn't change much. Whoever is competent at Black Hole will get a job elsewhere.
The best that can happen to Heroes of Might and Magic is Ubisoft selling the rights to someone else. Paradox, maybe. They might do that if they keep releasing failures.
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Adrius
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posted February 20, 2012 12:49 PM |
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Damn, I'd accept Paradox
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Nelgirith
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posted February 20, 2012 01:03 PM |
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A developer that creates a game like this shouldn't stay in business. I want to play good games. They may be a victim of Ubisoft, but it doesn't change much. Whoever is competent at Black Hole will get a job elsewhere.
Even if Black Hole is faulty for the game, it's still Ubisoft who is responsible for the whole disaster. Erwan Lebreton is the one who takes the major decisions and Black Hole had to do as he decided, Ubisoft is deciding whether the game is in a release-state or not.
This, of course, does NOT excuse Black Hole, but they are not the only ones to blame. Hell, with everything I've heard and read from "people who got a clue", I'd even go as far as to say that they are not at all the ones to blame for the final quality of the game.
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You're talking about the company that is making an exact copy-paste of Civ 5 in a heroic-fantasy setting and that will sell it for the full price when it's nothing more than a mod ?
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