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posted October 19, 2013 12:08 PM |
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I'd have to know what an "AAR" is first. ^^
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posted October 19, 2013 12:19 PM |
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After Action Report,
basically a novelization of a game written as it advances 
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posted October 19, 2013 12:32 PM |
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I would love that. <3
Besides, it's mostly what I've been using this thread for, and a few "epic tales" like how a single dismounted knight survived every battle in the Holy lands, his entire unit perished without note but him, and he rose from nothing to gold 3. I watched him every battle and sent him to where the fight was the thickest just waiting for him to die (I know I know, I wanted him to die at first when he had nothing, but then he just hacked and hacked and was untouchable, the bane of Israel and the mongols ^^)
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posted October 19, 2013 12:39 PM |
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I might be motivated to do one. I'm not yet sure what title or faction though.
Europe Barbarorum or Hyrule probably. The problem is finding a faction that has a little bit of everything. I know a lot of tactically or strategically great factions but both at the same time is a question mark. No one likes the same hammer and anvil after the 26th time. 
That reminds me of this. 
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posted October 19, 2013 02:06 PM |
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JoonasTo said:
I might be motivated to do one. I'm not yet sure what title or faction though.
Europe Barbarorum or Hyrule probably. The problem is finding a faction that has a little bit of everything. I know a lot of tactically or strategically great factions but both at the same time is a question mark. No one likes the same hammer and anvil after the 26th time.
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Swedish Empire... Duh!
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posted October 19, 2013 02:21 PM |
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In my Empire game the Swedes are getting annihilated by Norway.
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posted October 19, 2013 02:25 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
In my Empire game the Swedes are getting annihilated by Norway.
But are the norwegians even their own faction there? 
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posted October 20, 2013 07:06 AM |
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I think I'll keep Europa Barbarorum saved up untill the Alpha for EB2 comes out later this year.
Shogun is just simply too boring positioning.
Let's not even speak of Rome2.
I'm thinking Hyrule or LotR.
I'm more familiar with hyrule, might make for a better game and I know it has a tendency to make me go WHAT!, every game.
LotR would be a learning experience at the same time so there's that.
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posted October 20, 2013 11:21 AM |
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Teheehe, whatever you feel comfortable with. ^^
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posted October 20, 2013 11:39 AM |
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But it should be entertaining. That's why I already canceled out all factions without diplomacy or with limited army options.
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posted October 20, 2013 03:32 PM |
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JoonasTo said:
But it should be entertaining. That's why I already canceled out all factions without diplomacy or with limited army options.
To both of you, either of you know how the diplomacy turned out in 3rd-Age 3.0?
I think I'd have to jump-games and go back to Civ3 for "ok-diplomacy", but that might jut be me. At least a few times, actions were reasonable.
Btw, my brother has said things have gotten even worse in the new TW releases.
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posted October 20, 2013 04:06 PM |
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As Zeno said, we've experienced a H6 esque release, (Rome 2) but even without the bugs the game is quite unwholesome, they removed a lot of nice features for some inane reason (like the family trees and cut-scenes, politics seems completely gone)), they do add some interesting things, but currently it doesn't outweigh the crap, some of their added features that sound nice are also crap in practice, like the family rivalry things, so just waiting for some changes. (plus looking forward to EB 2, was worried that it would clash with Rome 2, but now that fear is gone...completely.)
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To both of you, either of you know how the diplomacy turned out in 3rd-Age 3.0?
Seems alright to me, then again I don't know what it was like before. (I started with 3.0)
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posted October 20, 2013 04:17 PM |
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The current diplomacy at Third Age 3.2 seems to work as normal, they do refuse your offers and demand proper compensation but I think the AI is still unable to break alliances.
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posted October 20, 2013 05:55 PM |
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Third Age Total War Factions for consideration:
- High Elves +great army composition +Rivendell located at a tough spot -very powerful faction -rest of the towns too safe and sound
- Dwarves +Excellently spaced out settlements, tough spots to expand to -no cavalry, limits battle options
- Orcs of Misty Mountains +excellently challenging position +balanced army composition -lacks proper cavalry
Hyrule Total War Factions for consideration:
- Zora +Amazingly challenging starting position, lots of strategic choices possible -no light cavalry
- Gerudo +surrounded by strong enemies, strategic situation gets tougher as the game progresses +great army composition -a very powerful faction
- Lizalfos +balanced army composition +I have not played as them, possibly empire dooming mistakes more likely -easy starting position, takes a long time for a challenge
- Lanayru +ridiculously hard starting position +good army composition -ridiculously hard starting position
- River Zora +horde faction +very large army variation =can't retrain units -no diplomats
The greatest difference between the two mods, besides of the world obviously, is the speed of everything. Third Age is a very, VERY slow evolving world where it might take 20 turns for a diplomat to find his objective while Hyrule shapes very quickly with factions rising and falling to glory in that same period of time. The amount of events during one game is pretty much the same. In Hyrule everything is just more hectic while Third age has a leisurely pace.
The map in Third Age has very limiting strategic options, it is almost completely devoid of choke points, factions have very limited expansion options and there are relatively few settlements.
Hyrule map has a very nice collection of areas with strategic choke points and vast open spaces. It is also a whole lot prettier than the third age map. It also holds about double the settlements and factions that third age map does.
Both maps lack naval capabilities.
Units in both are a mix of ancient/medieval fantasy. Most notably, Hyrule has magic, flying and burrowing units. And a larger variation in unit size and style. More imaginative I'd say.
And that's what I've narrowed it down to, any opinions?
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posted October 20, 2013 06:29 PM |
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JoonasTo said:
...The greatest difference between the two mods, besides of the world obviously, is the speed of everything. Third Age is a very, VERY slow evolving world where it might take 20 turns for a diplomat to find his objective while Hyrule shapes very quickly with factions rising and falling to glory in that same period of time. The amount of events during one game is pretty much the same. In Hyrule everything is just more hectic while Third age has a leisurely pace.
And that's what I've narrowed it down to, any opinions?
My thoughts are that LotR has been done to death, maybe your Hyrule would be much fresher idea? And although I love the slow stuff I don't think that's the norm.
A side question about 3.2; in 2.0 there were spawning Orc armies (iirc around Moria) and the Mordor forces were too tough...(like Trolls)has that stuff been toned down?
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posted October 20, 2013 08:04 PM |
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Naah, the help weak AI script is still ther you canturn it off manually if you want to though. Just disable the script in the corresponding file.
Establishing some house rules for my AAR.
- Saves are for crashes only
- Autobattles only in cases of crashing for the tactical
- No annexing NPC nations if playing in Hyrule
- No backstabbing allies
- Restricted battle camera
- Medium/medium if Hyrule, Hard/Medium if Third age
- Pausing during battles only for taking screenshots
- No abuse of siege/unsiege to whittle down forces
- Burned ground is okay, strike-burn-flee is not
- No ally with diplo-limited factions
- High Elves: only defensive wars against good nations, except for silvan elves, give dwarven cities reconquered from the orcs back to dwarves, first goal secure Rivendell
- Dwarves: only take settlements in mountainous regions in the start, don't ally with elves, after conquering all mountain regions, take out mordor
- Orcs of the misty mountains: After securing control of the misty mountains, initiate civil war with the orcs of gundabad
- Zora: Conquer of the Goron only after controlling 30 regions if they initiate war give back all settlements in the death mountain range in peace treaty, no conquering snow or desert regions, do not initiate war with Hyrule if they initiate war no conquering past Kakariko, aim to take the coast of sea of storms
- Gerudo: No conquering Hyrule prime before turn 50(sacking is okay), cav to infantry ratio at most 1:1
- Lizalfos: No conquer of Ikana before Ordona reaches it
- Lanayru: Everything goes except accepting vassalization
- River Zora: No combining forces at the start, only take settlements near water first(river, lake, sea)
Any extra ones are taken into consideration
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posted October 20, 2013 11:07 PM |
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Mordor forces were too tough...(like Trolls)has that stuff been toned down?
God no, trolls still OP, worse of all they can climb siege towers, you should've seen my face when those mofos were swarming my walls en-masse.
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posted October 21, 2013 01:39 PM |
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Well, I just went and finished a quick dwarven game in Third Age and that's a no go. I was able to quickly finish off both orcs. Even with the cheating AI it simply doesn't present the challenge required for a good AAR.
Uninstalled the whole mod for good measure, so it will be Hyrule now.
River Zora crossed out, while their starting position is really hard they're too handicapped with no diplomats and lacking 80% of the buildings. Their unique playstyle does not make up for this deficit.
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posted October 21, 2013 03:22 PM |
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JoonasTo said:
I was able to quickly finish off both orcs. Even with the cheating AI it simply doesn't present the challenge required for a good AAR..
Is that "Must play on Hard" (whatever=setting) still there for TATW? And, I just saw it at a quick glance yesterday but what about that A.I. Mod, did you try that one?
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posted October 21, 2013 03:27 PM |
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Yes, it's still there. No didn't try AI mod.
Still, the way the world is made makes it too easy to play. AI can't reinforce it's sieged cities as the distance between them is so long. Only the scripted magically appearing stacks can hope to help them. Which is a snowing annmoying feature to begin with.
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