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War-overlord
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posted July 30, 2012 09:09 PM |
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well the demons have been imprisoned for millenia so I think its understandable that they want to break out and form their own nation
I was under the impression that the common view of demons breaking out is not to form a country, but set Ashan aflame. (and subdue/break every nation to their will)
That rather depends on what Demons we're talking about, whom they serve and how much in controll of their own destiny they are.
If a Demon serves one particular Overlord, then their primary will is to do that. Take for instance the Breeders, they serve the Overlord of Proliferation, Ur-Azheel. Which means that they have one purpose, one skill, and one desire: to produce offspring. And in this particular case, they have little to no controll over their own destiny and cannot do anything else.
Another example is Azkhaal(the one who is locked in Kiril), a very high ranked demon, he is a Prince of Hate. He was completely in controll of his own destiny untill he was locked into Kiril. But, according to Sarah the Angel, he was a Demon that was true to Urgash and in so desired only one thing, the destruction of all creation. That implies that there are demons who aren't (fully) dedicated to such utter destruction.
Of Kha-Beleth it is said that he serves noone but himself. Meaning that if there was any demon ever in complete controll of his own destiny, it is Kha-Beleth. So if it is his desire to form a Demon Nation on Ashan, then that may very well be the case. And in him becoming the Demon Sovereign by the events of Heroes V, that may well be true of other demons as well. However, that rest on Kha-Beleth telling the truth. And I for one do not believe much of it.
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Elvin
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posted July 30, 2012 09:17 PM |
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The demons were created to unmake the work of the elemental dragons and to that extent, Asha. That doesn't mean they are mindless in their drive though hierarchy definitely plays a major role there.
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posted August 01, 2012 12:01 AM |
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I am confused. I am supposed to find an opposite to inferno or sanctuary then? In the first case I'd stick with necro. In the second.. probably stronghold since they are highly offensive than defensive, they are about mobility as opposed to hindering the movement of others, they are more reckless than organized.
That is an excellent guess, although I'd like to change just one thing. They are certainly more reckless, but they are still organized. They have a clear list of priorities (tribe, family, etc, I don't remember the exact list) for which they do things, and they do have a clear leader etc... and the structure surrounding their culture is also somewhat rigid. I wouldn't see orcs breaking from tradition much if at all, and if an orc changes his condition, it is through the established rule (strenght). What distinguishes it isn't so much lack of organisation as much as the inherent simplicity of it. Simple vs sophisticated, while the end result is more or less the same though.
Interesting discussion this has sparked, although the guessing game isn't very popular it seems. Oh well. Heroes 5 was created to set the game back on track gameplay-wise, and set that in a whole new world ie push the reset button on the story. That reset wasn't such a difficult decision as H4 had already done it, if I remember correctly. Anyways, yeah, story in H5 would be rather simple in design, as it is just there to setup the series anew. Complexifying the story (as well as evolving the gameplay, for that matter) is all at the honor of H6 for now, for good or bad. Mind you, they had started doing that a little with the H5 expansions. H6 just took a bigger step towards some change, although prolly not in the same direction the expansions were going.
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Zenofex
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posted August 01, 2012 08:12 AM |
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I don't see any complexity in Heroes VI story, it's still generic as hell. It's just better written than the Heroes V story which alone doesn't mean much.
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DoubleDeck
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posted August 01, 2012 08:26 AM |
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The faction opposites are
Haven - Inferno
Academy - Necropolis
Light Elves - Dark Elves
I believe that was officially posted somewhere, before Dwarves, Orcs and Naga.
How about:
Elrath (Light) vs Malassa (Dark)
Arkath (Fire) vs Shalassa (Water)
Sylath (Air) vs Sylanna (Earth)
And ultimately....
Ashan (Order) vs Urgash (Chaos)
So:
Haven vs Dark Elves
Dwarves vs Naga
Wizard vs Elves
Necro vs Demon
Ha! Doesn't fit in I know, but good for sh*ts and giggles!
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alcibiades
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posted August 01, 2012 08:56 AM |
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The faction opposites are
Haven - Inferno
Academy - Necropolis
Light Elves - Dark Elves
I believe that was officially posted somewhere, before Dwarves, Orcs and Naga.
How about:
Elrath (Light) vs Malassa (Dark)
Arkath (Fire) vs Shalassa (Water)
Sylath (Air) vs Sylanna (Earth)
And ultimately....
Ashan (Order) vs Urgash (Chaos)
So:
Haven vs Dark Elves
Dwarves vs Naga
Wizard vs Elves
Necro vs Demon
Ha! Doesn't fit in I know, but good for sh*ts and giggles!
Actually kind of interesting how much the managed to screw up what would have been a logical approach, wonder whether that was intentional.
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esvath
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posted August 01, 2012 09:08 AM |
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Edited by esvath at 09:09, 01 Aug 2012.
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The faction opposites are
Haven - Inferno
Academy - Necropolis
Light Elves - Dark Elves
I believe that was officially posted somewhere, before Dwarves, Orcs and Naga.
How about:
Elrath (Light) vs Malassa (Dark)
Arkath (Fire) vs Shalassa (Water)
Sylath (Air) vs Sylanna (Earth)
And ultimately....
Ashan (Order) vs Urgash (Chaos)
So:
Haven vs Dark Elves
Dwarves vs Naga
Wizard Free cities vs Elves
Necro vs Demon
Ha! Doesn't fit in I know, but good for sh*ts and giggles!
IIRC, Wizards are not worshipping any Dragons. With the ascension of Sar Elam as the Seventh Dragon (what is the meaning of that, by the way? he changed into a form of Dragon?), Wizards believe that "Dragon" are not divine; it is merely another step in Ashan's evolution and they devoted themselves on researching it.
Unfortunately, we will not see any Free cities faction, since I read somewhere that Sylath is too carefree and does not care about being worshipped. He even "let" Elrath's angels to convert Haven, for Asha's sake!
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War-overlord
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posted August 01, 2012 11:27 AM |
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The faction opposites are
Haven - Inferno
Academy - Necropolis
Light Elves - Dark Elves
I believe that was officially posted somewhere, before Dwarves, Orcs and Naga.
How about:
Elrath (Light) vs Malassa (Dark)
Arkath (Fire) vs Shalassa (Water)
SylathYlath (Air) vs Sylanna (Earth)
And ultimately....
Ashan (Order) vs Urgash (Chaos)
So:
Haven vs Dark Elves
Dwarves vs Naga
Wizard Free cities vs Elves
Necro vs Demon
Ha! Doesn't fit in I know, but good for sh*ts and giggles!
The enjoyable thing about Ashan, I find, is that actually both are correct. The upper one was the political opposition of Heroes V, and since it is political, it is subject to change. The Elemental opposites are true as well, though the achemical elements(Air, Water Earth and Fire) do not have as great an animosity as the Ethereal elements(Light & Shadow) or Order & Chaos. But certainly animosity along those lines are possible as well.
But there are other reasons why factions fight as well. Just to name a few, Stronghold strongly resents Haven(& Academy) for keeping them or their ancestors as slaves. Or Dungeon and Fortress fight regularly for territory.
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IIRC, Wizards are not worshipping any Dragons. With the ascension of Sar Elam as the Seventh Dragon (what is the meaning of that, by the way? he changed into a form of Dragon?), Wizards believe that "Dragon" are not divine; it is merely another step in Ashan's evolution and they devoted themselves on researching it.
Unfortunately, we will not see any Free cities faction, since I read somewhere that Sylath is too carefree and does not care about being worshipped. He even "let" Elrath's angels to convert Haven, for Asha's sake!
I think it's easier to think about it this way. The races of Ashan think of their Gods in the Appearance of a Dragon. And Sar-Elam ascended to Godhood when he came into contact with Asha. But wether that Godhood changed his form is not exactly known. However Skull of the Seventh Dragon, wether it is simply an artifact or it is a relic in the catholic sense, is shaped like the skull of a Dragon. And I think it is safe to assume that Gods have the ability to shapeshift, so Sar-Elam may have appeared as a Dragon in his Godhood.
I am not certain if Wizards view Dragons as the next step of Evolution. But they do see Dragons and the Gods simply as beings of great (magic)power and, in Sar-Elam, they know that such power is obtainable for mortals. And while there are likely many Wizards who do seek to attain such power, there are also those who research magic for it's own sake, or simply for political power on Ashan.
Also, it indeed has been said that the Free Cities are too independant and different of oneanother to for a coherent faction. And that Ylath can't be bothered with mortal or divine politics. However that was stated by the previous producer of the series and things may change. However I do not see it happening soon and there are factions I'd rather see sooner then another Human Faction.
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Miru
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posted August 01, 2012 11:43 AM |
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The faction opposites are
Haven - Inferno
Academy - Necropolis
Light Elves - Dark Elves
I believe that was officially posted somewhere, before Dwarves, Orcs and Naga.
How about:
Elrath (Light) vs Malassa (Dark)
Arkath (Fire) vs Shalassa (Water)
Sylath (Air) vs Sylanna (Earth)
And ultimately....
Ashan (Order) vs Urgash (Chaos)
So:
Haven vs Dark Elves
Dwarves vs Naga
Wizard vs Elves
Necro vs Demon
Ha! Doesn't fit in I know, but good for sh*ts and giggles!
That is pretty amusing.
I dont think that the factions could be simplified to an reasonable system, if for no other reason that it is demons vs everyone else in the campaigns. I kind of like the wheel system (like in heroes 4) where everyone gets 2 allies and 2 enemies, but that doesn't really make any sense here. Each of the three "evil" factions (dark elves, inferno, necropolis) are "evil" in completely different ways.
On a side note I consider the Necropolis to generally be the closest to good guys. In the sanctuary campaign when that necromancer wanted to raise the sea of ghosts in preparation for the upcoming demon invasion I nearly screamed at my computer "DON'T TRY TO ****ING STOP HIM, YOU MORONS! HELP HIM!".
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War-overlord
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posted August 01, 2012 12:22 PM |
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I dont think that the factions could be simplified to an reasonable system, if for no other reason that it is demons vs everyone else in the campaigns. I kind of like the wheel system (like in heroes 4) where everyone gets 2 allies and 2 enemies, but that doesn't really make any sense here. Each of the three "evil" factions (dark elves, inferno, necropolis) are "evil" in completely different ways.
I think it can actually, I find the D&D Allignment system fits everyone of the 9 (known) factions very well.
And they can be summed up into this tabel
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Elvin
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posted August 01, 2012 12:43 PM |
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That would be boring. After all why would the elements have to be opposites? While they may suit a faction's mentality why would that be a sign of hostility between the two? It all sounds too structured, too calculated. I much prefer faction relations to be based on history, current times and to an extent their individual morality.
Besides.. the elemental dragons were all created by Asha for her grand task of creating the world which only shows that the elements are working in harmony. For the most part  One of the main points of the H6 campaign was that one should judge the individual than the element/faction he chooses to employ. Unsurprisingly haven is the most judgemental faction of them all.
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posted August 01, 2012 12:57 PM |
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Straying a bit off topic here, but loving the comments re faction alignments, etc.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 01, 2012 02:28 PM |
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Unsurprisingly haven is the most judgemental faction of them all.
They're humans, what did you expect? 
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Elvin
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posted August 01, 2012 11:43 PM |
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In the meantime Irina mentioned your work in a news item 
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Simpelicity
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posted August 02, 2012 01:59 AM |
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In the meantime Irina mentioned your work in a news item
Did she? That's awesome!
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Straying a bit off topic here, but loving the comments re faction alignments, etc.
Yeah I agree, almost a shame to throw this back on topic but....
Next one is up!
Stronghold of course. Elvin guessed very well on this.
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DoubleDeck
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posted August 02, 2012 08:17 AM |
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Very nice Simp!
I like how the mini map exploration increases as each building is built! Shows you did this over time and not in one go!
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alcibiades
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posted August 02, 2012 08:44 AM |
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I really like the Stronghold townscreen, but I don't think it fits the faction creatures very well - well Centaur and Harpy, yes, but not so much the Aztech themes of the Dream Weaver. But then, I was always a bit confused about that one in context of the other units.
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War-overlord
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posted August 02, 2012 11:53 AM |
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What is it you don't get, Alci?
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Avonu
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posted August 02, 2012 12:18 PM |
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I think it can actually, I find the D&D Allignment system fits everyone of the 9 (known) factions very well.
And they can be summed up into this tabel
Sorry but this chart is bull...
First, there are no evil fations at all (excluding Inferno). Second, none faction is good or evil - they all are suppose to be all colours of grey.
Haven is not good - with witchhunt (sorry, demon cultists hunt ), rasism (Orcs) and fanatic religion (Anton and Pavel are just examples of many more knights like them in Holy Empire) they never will be anything like paladins (example of holy knight in Middle Ages - not what we kno from games by now  )
Academy is a bunch of self-worshipping people, hungry of knowlegde but afraid to lose it (that is why there are so many Spider cultists in HVI now).
Sylvan is isolated nation, who first wanted change democracy to dictatorism (elected king vs dynasty ruler) and started war with future Dark Elves... and will slaughter them in near future because Irollan Elves were too lazy to check, who really burnt thier holy tree.
Fortress is another isolated kingdom, where Dwarves have no intention to help or intervene in affairs of rest of the Ashan.
Sanctuary is kingdom which accept others without question (well, they are sanctuary for some reaon after all) but also has no point to intervene in matters of other people. Also they have very strong line of overlords and vassals and they stick hard to "line of command".
Stronghold want to be leave alone and is ruled by "strongs have right". They only invaded Griffin Empire because:
- They Khan said so.
- They wanted get revange on killer of their previous chief.
- Demons bad, Orcs hate demons, Orcs kill demons.
Dungeon - Elves which were attacked by their own kind (because they were against dynasty ruler idea and wanted elected kings) and by knights from Falcon Empire (because Liam was hungry of victories) and were forced to pact with Faceless to win these fights. And they won. Later they were accused for crime the didn't do and slaughtered without mercy. When they escaped to underground, Dwarves destroyed their temple and next war begun. How you can name them evil?
Necropolis - mages who wanted to live forever to keep their knowledge. They do not want to conquer the world or don't want to force you to become undead if you don't like. So, how are they evil?
They too were banish from their homes because some mages were too jealous about thier power and position in politics and later destroyed their new homeland.
Inferno - well, they only want to undone what Asha did and that means destroy all Ashan and all people. So yes, these ones are evil.
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posted August 02, 2012 12:27 PM |
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I really like the Stronghold townscreen, but I don't think it fits the faction creatures very well - well Centaur and Harpy, yes, but not so much the Aztech themes of the Dream Weaver. But then, I was always a bit confused about that one in context of the other units.
The only unit that doesn't have an aztec/native american theme is the cyclops (understandably). The boomerang I believe is native american (where is it from again? might be wrong), the mauler weapon certainly is native american, harpies and jaguars also have aztec-ish looks (and not just dreamwalkers) and the centaur feel a little iroquois/native american-ish, mostly with their mohawk.
As for the dream building... I don't really know. Kinda made me think of a medecine hut of some kind. Has a little shamanistic feel to it, at least.
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